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« Reply #1515 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:40pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:09pm, Marvin wrote:
Now take a look at the "correct orientation".
That is orientated with vertical objects on the ground.

And finally (and wow), at 9 degrees. Is that sucker really banking?
Any ideas why anti-grav would need to bank on turns? Or is it having trouble maintaining straight and level flight? huh


Did you take perspective into account for all your rotations?

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« Reply #1516 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:41pm »

OTF,

Here's my explanation of the "jerky motion". I read that and then I try to interpret it into a visual. I think what they are describing is the way in which the object changed course and velocity. It did so with instantaneous acceleration. In other words, when the object made a right turn it did not gradually adjust it's course like normal terrestrial objects do. It did not come to a stop and then shoot of in another direction. It was moving forward at a steady rate and instantaneously assumed a different course. We earthlings are not used to seeing things move like that because with our technology and understanding of the laws of physics it's not possible. The amount of energy necessary to overcome the inertia would be infinite? The g forces would be enough to destroy any structure.

So how do we describe something that can move unimpeded by Newton's laws of motion? We say it's "jerky". cheesy
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« Reply #1517 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:50pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:16pm, onthefence55 wrote:
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No, not into the past. Only jumping forward into the future from the present.

OK, I know this is flapping too much into the fiction area, but it's the only explanation for the jerky motion and invisibility that makes sense cheesy

I think it might also explain what the Alabama security guard reported where it shifted between two places as if it was in both places temporarily.


Say they were traveling faster-than-light (in short jerky burst), Einstein says they would arrive at the new destination BEFORE they left. One object would appear to be in two places at once.

Think ST:TNG had an episode where Picard developed a manuver that made his starship appear in two places at once. Sounds familar.
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« Reply #1518 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:02pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:50pm, DarkSky wrote:
Say they were traveling faster-than-light (in short jerky burst), Einstein says they would arrive at the new destination BEFORE they left. One object would appear to be in two places at once.


Good point, DS. I always wondered about that guy's description. You may have explained it.

ETA: I really like that you highlighted the word appear. Because I don't full ascribe to Einstein's SR, that's exactly the way I think it is.
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« Reply #1519 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:03pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:41pm, Latitude wrote:
So how do we describe something that can move unimpeded by Newton's laws of motion? We say it's "jerky". cheesy


Quite possible. More possible in my mind than time travel smiley

I wanna see a video of these drones sooo badly laugh
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #1520 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:24pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:40pm, onthefence55 wrote:
Did you take perspective into account for all your rotations?

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I did not think perspective would really come into play here, since generally you need large objects and a great distance to see perspective. Normally, a telephone pole is not long enough to create a great deal of perspective.

The one issue that did bother me is the focal length of the lens and the possible distortion due to it. As one drops down to 35mm and lower, you are basically in wide area view which will create an "artificial" perspective for closer and smaller objects around the outer areas of the photo. But since the telephone pole does not distort or bend, I did not think this is the case either.

With the weird angles of the photos, first 33 degrees to the left, then 19 degrees to the right, it throws off your sense of perspective. That is why I “straightened” the photo, so they would look like I am standing there looking up. If there was curvature, then I would have thought it was due to the perspective of the camera (lens distortion). But when I turn the photo, it feels like I am standing there, looking up.

I do not expect to see the level of perspective in the drone photos as in your examples because it shows very large buildings (skyscrapers) with some distance. Telephone poles do not come close to that size and we are not even seeing all of the telephone pole).


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Since a telephone pole "is a pole and not a pipe," it tapers or gets smaller in diameter towards the top of the pole. A pipe is the same diameter a all points.

Therefore, you may think you are seeing perspective, but it is just the pole.


Lastly, it has already been demonstrated that the drone is "tilting" by the pole. Which is why there is no shadow under the paddle or wing. That is definitely not caused by perspective. It is "banking" or leaning.
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« Reply #1521 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:27pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 7:28pm, pvtjoker75 wrote:
So after months and months of drone speculation, STILL nothing in the mainstream press about it.

Then the obvious cgi Haiti video hits youtube and within a few weeks there's an article in the LA Times about how it was a hoax...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/newmedia/la-et-ufo22aug22,0,2266445.story?page=1

Stuff like this makes me just say wtf to myself


the media cannot PROVE that the drones are fake... that is why they cannot report. Just like none of the debunkers have proven that they are fake... because they aren't!
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« Reply #1522 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:47pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:24pm, Marvin wrote:
Therefore, you may think you are seeing perspective, but it is just the pole.


I was not implying that the smaller tip of the telephone pole was the perspective issue that you ignored.

Telephone poles do exhibit perspective issues, notice that all the poles in the following images are on a perspective induced tilt:

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If you have a camera, I urge you to stand close to a pole and look up and off to the side. Please submit your picture if possible.


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Lastly, it has already been demonstrated that the drone is "tilting" by the pole. Which is why there is no shadow under the paddle or wing. That is definitely not caused by perspective. It is "banking" or leaning.


I agree that the drone tilts.

I do not agree with your dismissal of perspective issues on the pole. I think that the drone tilts far less than you suggest as if it were not possible that it could have been done without hoaxing (or did I misinterpret your implication).


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« Reply #1523 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:59pm »

Off topic but interesting.

I've been perusing the BoT forum lately. Came across this little tidbit.

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Ahh whatever, those ATS hypocrites. There is no good that comes from that place. none!
ATS.. in fact, Simon one of the "three amigos" openly admits he is a member of the NSA. Trust me that site is OWNED by the gov themselves. tongue
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« Reply #1524 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:02pm »

IF THIS WRITING ON THE PADLES OF THE DRONES ARE BACK EGINEERED. IT A COMBINNATION OF ,cuneiform, hieroglyphics,syriac,greek, hebrew, now take a look at farsi nuber 8. some how some one in languistic broke the code inorder for the drone to work.I cant remember the german scholar whom broke the code on how to read hierglyphics. any way he lived in france. now we can began to know that many scientist worked on this project. and I will bet anyone whom ever broke this ancient wrinting from ET had to be from france and germany ,italy. I have no way of proving. but Isaac left clues to lead us in the right direction.if anyone notices a brilliantbut sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of bagdad . he also hinted a little why we havent got complete dis closure from the goverment.my goverment has its reason for its contiual secrecy, and i sympathize with many of them. did not mean to interupt you guys good sub winkject ,just added an asumption.
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« Reply #1525 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:10pm »

Sorry if this has already been posted. Another take on the drone case. It's a good one.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0707/strangecraft.html
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« Reply #1526 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:42pm »

GREAT READ LATITUDE; BY THE WAY N TESLA IS MY FAVORITE SCIENTIST; HE SHOWED EINSTIN HOW TO CONDUCT THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT.DIDNT THE MEN IN BLACH OFF N TESLA ALSO FOR FREE ENERGY? cool
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« Reply #1527 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:14pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:59pm, Latitude wrote:
Off topic but interesting. I've been perusing the BoT forum lately. Came across this little tidbit.



I hadn't been there in over a year. I signed on today as joshai2334 and put up two very very gentle comments; and I was banned >COLD< within an hour.

There's not a single page that I can link to on that site.

They're AFRAID OF ME, for some reason.

I went there 'cause GLP kicked me out yesterday, no reason, no notice.

I dunno. Do YOU all think I'm dangerous?

:shrug: Shech--
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« Reply #1528 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:43pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 9:27pm, castles4me wrote:
the media cannot PROVE that the drones are fake... that is why they cannot report.


EXCELLENT point! As obvious as that should have seemed to me, I never considered it that way. But you are right, I am sure!!
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« Reply #1529 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 12:04am »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:43pm, starsigndavid wrote:
EXCELLENT point! As obvious as that should have seemed to me, I never considered it that way. But you are right, I am sure!!


The way I see it is that the media does care about the drone story right now.

The media lives of hot scoops and Breaking News at 10.

The media today is all about the tease.

If some hot shot reporter got an exclusive angle or interview with Isaac on the drones...he might just go for it. If he can't get that...forget it.

Just my opinion.
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