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« Reply #1575 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 2:52pm »

on Aug 23rd, 2007, 10:02pm, jugement wrote:
IF THIS WRITING ON THE PADLES OF THE DRONES ARE BACK EGINEERED. IT A COMBINNATION OF ,cuneiform, hieroglyphics,syriac,greek, hebrew, now take a look at farsi nuber 8. some how some one in languistic broke the code inorder for the drone to work.I cant remember the german scholar whom broke the code on how to read hierglyphics. any way he lived in france. now we can began to know that many scientist worked on this project. and I will bet anyone whom ever broke this ancient wrinting from ET had to be from france and germany ,italy. I have no way of proving. but Isaac left clues to lead us in the right direction.if anyone notices a brilliantbut sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of bagdad . he also hinted a little why we havent got complete dis closure from the goverment.my goverment has its reason for its contiual secrecy, and i sympathize with many of them. did not mean to interupt you guys good sub winkject ,just added an asumption.


Hi Jugement...
I had thought about your idea, of scientists and guys from linguistics deciphering the language based on the Isaac reports and the Drone images, but I always get one conclusion (my 2 cents):

When some people deciphered the egyptian language they had two points that were different:
-the language was some form of communicative language
-the language used small images to represent some meanings and they had lots of walls and documents with the writing.

Isaac says that the language of the drones is NOT a normal neither communicative language. It can only work based in some context (substrate).

IMO, is the same if we got a programmer language that we don't know in a paper, and we are trying to understand it based in communicative principles.
Imagine that we did not knew ASP, PHP, C, C++, DELPHI, VISUAL BASIC, or even HTML, and suddenly someone appear with some documents with writings in one of those languages... Even if we had the best scientists working on it we could not decipher it without a computer, a program that interpret, understand, convert this language to the final result, the purpose of the program. The scientists would need to CREATE this context, this environment, this "program" to understand the language, and how could we do it without even know in what kind of 'material' the language of the drones and reports are on.
In most cases the guy creates the new programming language based in rules that HE KNOWS and see the functionality of the writings in one program that he creates or that already exists. But we are trying to get the language that we do not have even the least idea of the rules and objective and we are trying to understand it without the substrate in which it can works and be interpretated. IMO (based in the Isaac words) it just IS NOT simple letters that together makes a syllabe, that together makes a word, that with other words and some rules makes phrases that our brains can interpret and understand.

Resuming, We cannot think in the language just as some form of simple communicative language... that would be too good... Like Isaac said, the language works in synchronism with the 'material' it is on, so it's just too much unlikely that the language is some form of communicative language instead of some kind of programming language (applied to the substrate)...
I get sad everytime I think this way, because it means that without the knowledge of the rules and purposes, and particularly without the 'material' we will never understand this language.
The scientists of PACL had all the favorable conditions, though we just have images (that would be enough in the case of a communicative language).

IMHO, of course wink

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« Reply #1576 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 3:40pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 2:46pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
If you were a CGI artist and someone asked you to look at a couple of photos with UFOs in them and decide for them whether they were CGI or not, what would be your answer? Oh, I guess I should show you the photos first huh?

Well instead let me ask you this. If that happened and the following list were your clients that give you money that pays your mortgage, car payments and child's college fund what would your answer be about those UFO photos being CGI?

United States Joint Chiefs, Washington D.C
Curtiss Wright Flow Control Corporation
Northrop Grumman / Newport News
General Dynamics
Nautilus Memorial Museum
USS Connecticut (SSN22) Commissioning Committee
Naval War College Museum
Lockheed Martin, Undersea Systems (Virginia), Space Systems (Sunnyvale)
Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC), Carderock, MD
Smithsonian Institution / EDS, Washington, DC
The United States Congress
The Foreign Ambassadors to the United States
United States Navy
GMD/Japan Research Laboratory Kitakyushu Japan
NAVSEA (US NAVY)
US Congress

Please post your response even if it's a one liner answer.



I am not sure of the question being asked here but if your are saying that the list are clients who pay my bills, and I am asked if UFO photos are real or CGI, to protect my income I would say cgi...no matter if I thought it was real or not......I am not losing my income.


But since they are not my clients.....


Is this what you were looking for ATO?
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« Reply #1578 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:00pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 3:47pm, RoH wrote:
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Cool RoH... kind of puts it together.

But I must confess, I think I am a sucker for one of those "drone ceiling fans." grin grin grin

I bet they would sell like hot cakes!


I swear the below belongs in there.

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« Reply #1579 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:09pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 2:52pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Hi Jugement...
I had thought about your idea, of scientists and guys from linguistics deciphering the language based on the Isaac reports and the Drone images, but I always get one conclusion (my 2 cents):

When some people deciphered the egyptian language they had two points that were different:
-the language was some form of communicative language
-the language used small images to represent some meanings and they had lots of walls and documents with the writing.

Isaac says that the language of the drones is NOT a normal neither communicative language. It can only work based in some context (substrate).

IMO, is the same if we got a programmer language that we don't know in a paper, and we are trying to understand it based in communicative principles.
Imagine that we did not knew ASP, PHP, C, C++, DELPHI, VISUAL BASIC, or even HTML, and suddenly someone appear with some documents with writings in one of those languages... Even if we had the best scientists working on it we could not decipher it without a computer, a program that interpret, understand, convert this language to the final result, the purpose of the program. The scientists would need to CREATE this context, this environment, this "program" to understand the language, and how could we do it without even know in what kind of 'material' the language of the drones and reports are on.
In most cases the guy creates the new programming language based in rules that HE KNOWS and see the functionality of the writings in one program that he creates or that already exists. But we are trying to get the language that we do not have even the least idea of the rules and objective and we are trying to understand it without the substrate in which it can works and be interpretated. IMO (based in the Isaac words) it just IS NOT simple letters that together makes a syllabe, that together makes a word, that with other words and some rules makes phrases that our brains can interpret and understand.

Resuming, We cannot think in the language just as some form of simple communicative language... that would be too good... Like Isaac said, the language works in synchronism with the 'material' it is on, so it's just too much unlikely that the language is some form of communicative language instead of some kind of programming language (applied to the substrate)...
I get sad everytime I think this way, because it means that without the knowledge of the rules and purposes, and particularly without the 'material' we will never understand this language.
The scientists of PACL had all the favorable conditions, though we just have images (that would be enough in the case of a communicative language).

IMHO, of course wink

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« Reply #1580 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:24pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 3:40pm, murnut wrote:
I am not sure of the question being asked here but if your are saying that the list are clients who pay my bills, and I am asked if UFO photos are real or CGI, to protect my income I would say cgi...no matter if I thought it was real or not......I am not losing my income.
But since they are not my clients.....


You had it right but I'll reword it for anyone else who didn't get it.

This is a list of the clients that a CGI artist works for. Those clients pay his bills. If you were that CGI artist and asked to state whether something was a UFO or not in a photo, and considering who puts bread on your table, would you tell the truth if it was not CGI?
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« Reply #1581 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:32pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:24pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
You had it right but I'll reword it for anyone else who didn't get it.

This is a list of the clients that a CGI artist works for. Those clients pay his bills. If you were that CGI artist and asked to state whether something was a UFO or not in a photo, and considering who puts bread on your table, would you tell the truth if it was not CGI?
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So are you referring to the CGI guy that MUFON had examind the Chad photos?

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« Reply #1582 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:33pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:09pm, jugement wrote:
hi whole on. are you et. just kiding, got to take girl friend out for birth day. be back. grin


laugh Wait, I'm not a programmer guy or something, it's just a lot of ideas together, read it carefully!! cheesy


And just one gif to refresh our thoughts:
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And one composition of all frames: What a beauty!! grin
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« Reply #1583 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:38pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 2:05pm, DrDil wrote:
I think it was basically a showcase of all of the CGI he (I believe there is no they) planned to leak into the forums before he realized his façade was slipping and his peers were having none of his pseudo-intellectual, cryptic, invective and intentionally evasive diatribe.

(But then again I just see good in everyone….. wink)


Sweet Jumpn' Judas, that was aweful! I can certainly see WHY he disabled Comments and Ratings! shocked
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« Reply #1584 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:40pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:00pm, Marvin wrote:
I swear the below belongs in there.


So ya'll see what I mean then? We always thought that photo was pretty "iffy."

And, he could very well be trying to take credit for the whole drone phenom... or at least cast a lot of doubt on it.
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« Reply #1585 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 4:57pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 2:52pm, Arkhangels wrote:
We cannot think in the language just as some form of simple communicative language... that would be too good... Like Isaac said, the language works in synchronism with the 'material' it is on, so it's just too much unlikely that the language is some form of communicative language instead of some kind of programming language (applied to the substrate)...
I get sad everytime I think this way, because it means that without the knowledge of the rules and purposes, and particularly without the 'material' we will never understand this language.
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So true -- that makes sense. Or, like Strieber said in his journal about the drones. Start from the end and work backwards (or something to that effect.) Start with what it does, then work back to what makes it do what it does, and then how the language tells it to do what it does.
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« Reply #1586 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 5:02pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:33pm, Arkhangels wrote:
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see? it doesn't seem like the drones tilt. unless that it's just the BB drone that doesn't tilt. it just seems like the way that they work with gravity that the gravitational pull must remain perpendicular to the ground and the craft fly parallel to the ground.
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« Reply #1587 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 5:13pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 5:02pm, castles4me wrote:
see? it doesn't seem like the drones tilt. unless that it's just the BB drone that doesn't tilt. it just seems like the way that they work with gravity that the gravitational pull must remain perpendicular to the ground and the craft fly parallel to the ground.


Those pictures in that anim have been corrected to a angle of ca. 90 degree. This is not a true representation of the BB drones movement (or tilt)
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« Reply #1588 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 5:19pm »

on Aug 24th, 2007, 4:33pm, Arkhangels wrote:
And just one gif to refresh our thoughts: ...


Did I miss something? your animation makes it look like the object stays in one place and rotates around the center axis with the trees in the background. I had tried matching up the background trees the best I could before and got this:

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I think the object not only moves laterally.
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« Reply #1589 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 5:31pm »

Calm down people, I just made the animation to represent the rotational movement of the drone in the horizontal axis, and that's it...

I had to scale, rotate and align the drone every time the BB drone moved in the image (or Ty moved to shoot the photo)... My animation is just to ilustrate how would it move if it stayed still, but if it tilts or not we cannot tell, because I had that perspective problem that OnTheFence told Marvin, so I cannot say if was the Drone that was tilted or the entire image, because we had little background to compare.

OnTheFence, that tree I just took from one of the images to give the animation a touch of realism. The drone in the original set of images does not have that tree the way I put it grin My original plan was not put that tree at all, but the result was a cold image.

The answer for a supposed tilting in the BB drone just Ty can give. IMHO. wink

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