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« Reply #165 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I think that the background that they used for the antigrav photos was fluorescent lighting from all angles, which can explain the shadow being more "all around" because the lighting came from all angles. The blue could be from the lighting as well.


I would like to see the arrays of fluorescent lights to put out that many lums... scientists like to keep it simple, just take a photo of it on the bench or ground.

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me. And.... being that these items are alien items.... there very well could be a blue mixed in with their black in the making of the item. -- kind of a blue-ish black substance that they used to make them with. Also, they could be eminating some sort of power field, whether ionic, plasmic, microwave or whatever that could give it a glow different from any human made object. If the pieces can hover in the air because the language on them activates them, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that they give off a different shadow than any human object does.


In the photos, the components appear to be a high gloss "charcoal gray" or near black gray. It could all be black and it is the gloss that gives the appearance of being slightly lighter in color.... we can get into color mixes, Kulbelka-Munk math as to what happen when you mix black and blue together... the affect of absorption is greater than scatter... but this is going to be some what like trying to explain how small a gamma-ray is... I don't think I want to go there.

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I don't think you can really prove anything with this one way or another.


I think we can agree on that... in light that no one has been able to prove any thing with this, one way or anther. All we can do is to ask questions and see where they take us.

I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.
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« Reply #166 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:03pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am, AlexK wrote:
I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.


I think you're confusing this with some kind of lab academic report. This is absolutely, without question the form and content one would expect from an executive-facing departmental report. In fact I would go as far as to say the author is trying to fit the writing into a 'standard template' that would be expected for the quarterly reports (seems a bit over verbose and a tad repetitive on some points, which is consistent with writing reports to a template). It is both excellent and practiced report writing.

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Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided

Heh - gonna take a lot more than that to have anyone disregard the report as falsified. The report is the most convincing bit of ufo disclosure to date, in my opinion. Other academics and writing professionals have chimed in similarly, so we're going to need some real evidence to discredit it.
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« Reply #167 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:05pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:18am, starsigndavid wrote:
.Quick question: Is intergalactic travel generally considered impossible, even by more open-minded officianadoes? I realize the distances involved are beyond enormous, but I was curious if the same, more "elegant" theories on warping space and such could also apply to intergalactic distances.


Some are trying to figure it out, but the loudest ones you'll here are from the Earthbound Mentality types that can't see past the Moon.
Since there has been the discovery of a City under 250 ft of water off India, pottery, bones ect. I wonder what kind of lame ideas they will have about that.It's said to be 9,500 years old.
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« Reply #168 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:06pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:43am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
But, even if it were a UFO, I find it no resemblance with any drone I've seen so far.


Possibly a 62 year time difference might make the difference why the more recent drones don't look like the one in the picture.

The Birmingham drone looks nothing like the Big Basin drone and the Chad and Capitola drones don't look like the Big Basin and Birmingham drones.
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« Reply #169 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:29am, castles4me wrote:
I think that the background that they used for the antigrav photos was fluorescent lighting from all angles, which can explain the shadow being more "all around" because the lighting came from all angles. The blue could be from the lighting as well. You say that the antigrav and A2 and A3 pieces are grey? They look black to me. And.... being that these items are alien items.... there very well could be a blue mixed in with their black in the making of the item. -- kind of a blue-ish black substance that they used to make them with. Also, they could be eminating some sort of power field, whether ionic, plasmic, microwave or whatever that could give it a glow different from any human made object. If the pieces can hover in the air because the language on them activates them, it wouldn't be too hard to believe that they give off a different shadow than any human object does. I don't think you can really prove anything with this one way or another.
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« Reply #170 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
It would be an interesting trip.


LOL! I thought this is what we were doing? And yes, it's been quite the ride!

ATO, my response to the horse/drone pic was an acknowledgment that it did indeed look like a lamp. I'm not suggesting that it is, nor that it's a hoax. As to fake UFO's before Roswell, I'd have to research that one. That was before the days of CGI, but they certainly had plenty of pie plates smiley!

I saw a program last night on the Texas "Air Ships" and specifically the Aurora crash in 1897. Fascinating story and well before Roswell in 1947. So many people think it all started with Roswell, so this might be a real eye opener.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html
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« Reply #171 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:09pm »

Yesterday I propounded a theory, and I guess people missed it.

I believe, there will not be ANY MORE drone sightings.

WHY? Because, as cloaked devices, they were made visible by the HAARP grid. The HAARP grid has been turned OFF OVER where they were sighted.

There is no longer a white milky sky over Capitola, Big Basin, Saratoga. (Did you notice, the white (chemtrailed) sky behind drones in nearly every instance?) Chemtrails are OFF over Northern California right now.

The Feds having turned HAARP OFF, drones will no longer be seen to materialize due to cloaking failures.

That's my theory. Now, shoot me down.

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« Reply #172 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:11pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.


Heh - so what do you think has been going on for the last 300 pages of posts? Lots of speculation and tangents mixed in, for sure, but some good science on all these topics too. I know it's not easy to go back and read it all, but I think people are just tired of repeating the same things over and over, so the clear answers you want to specific questions are just not getting posted again.

If I wasn't so damn lazy I'd try to pull it all together in a nice succinct, concise summary, to see what still needs some attention, but I can't see that happening without a *lot* more coffee... wink

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Quickly looking back, I think people have been pretty exhaustive at attacking this from all angles... I can't think of any particular type of investigation (given the materials we have) that has been missed... anyone else? Has something been overlooked?
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« Reply #173 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:17pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:53am, bakosawa wrote:
I would like to see the arrays of fluorescent lights to put out that many lums... scientists like to keep it simple, just take a photo of it on the bench or ground.



In the photos, the components appear to be a high gloss "charcoal gray" or near black gray. It could all be black and it is the gloss that gives the appearance of being slightly lighter in color.... we can get into color mixes, Kulbelka-Munk math as to what happen when you mix black and blue together... the affect of absorption is greater than scatter... but this is going to be some what like trying to explain how small a gamma-ray is... I don't think I want to go there.



I think we can agree on that... in light that no one has been able to prove any thing with this, one way or anther. All we can do is to ask questions and see where they take us.

I think it would be interesting if we were to try a number of theories on the drones...
1. All of these are real.
2. All of these are fake.
3. (At least) One of these is fake.
4. (At least) One of these is real.

and on Isaac:

1. Isaac is real.
2. Isaac is fake.

Then set about to disprove all of these theories and see where it takes us. It would be an interesting trip.
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« Reply #174 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:21pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:23am, AlexK wrote:
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Let me drop bit of scepsis in this common big jar of excitement. Honestly, I'm caught too.

I don't know what is about photos and diagrams in the Isaac's package but the "report" is not written by professional researcher. Doesn't matter what it contains but it's rather assay of journalist than real scientific report.

Any scientific report on done studies should have at least contextual hierarchy of: objectives & targets; matherials and methods (what; where and when), description of simple work results and conclusions.

Sorry, but the "report" is hoax. undecided


Thank you, we've had other's say totally different.
If everything was given then you'r argument has merit, but since we have the info we have it's all inconclusive.
But I do like your conviction that it's a hoax, not.
There simply isn't enough info, and NO ONE has proven it, saying hoax is only saying hoax without proof. I don't know that it's real or fake but I wouldn't throw stuff out like that with no proof at all.
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« Reply #175 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:24pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm, MarkM wrote:
LOL! I thought this is what we were doing? And yes, it's been quite the ride!

ATO, my response to the horse/drone pic was an acknowledgment that it did indeed look like a lamp. I'm not suggesting that it is, nor that it's a hoax. As to fake UFO's before Roswell, I'd have to research that one. That was before the days of CGI, but they certainly had plenty of pie plates smiley!

I saw a program last night on the Texas "Air Ships" and specifically the Aurora crash in 1897. Fascinating story and well before Roswell in 1947. So many people think it all started with Roswell, so this might be a real eye opener.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html
I WHACHED SOME OF THAT TO ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL. WANTED TO POST THE SAME. WISH THEY WOULD LET THEM IN THAT FENCE PROPERTY. THEIR IS SUPOSED TO BE EVIDENCE OF THE CRASHED CRAFT , AND A BODY>
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« Reply #176 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:31pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:09pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
Yesterday I propounded a theory, and I guess people missed it.

I believe, there will not be ANY MORE drone sightings.

WHY? Because, as cloaked devices, they were made visible by the HAARP grid. The HAARP grid has been turned OFF OVER where they were sighted.

There is no longer a white milky sky over Capitola, Big Basin, Saratoga. (Did you notice, the white (chemtrailed) sky behind drones in nearly every instance?) Chemtrails are OFF over Northern California right now.

The Feds having turned HAARP OFF, drones will no longer be seen to materialize due to cloaking failures.

That's my theory. Now, shoot me down.

: ) Chai
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« Reply #177 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:22am, bakosawa wrote:
Hi Beenie...

Someone I know has a setup in a huge basement... maybe a 40 foot wide section is set up like this... in... white... (maybe he's Isaac) rolleyes grin

How large is the anit-grav device? How large of an area would one need to create the photo with the anti-grav device... and is it logical to assume that this Lab would create such a thing when you can just place the machine on the ground and take a picture of it (like the rings)? They are scientist, not artist.

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They would need a large light box....

Besides... I think the light box budget was redirected to a copy machine paper shortage. grin


Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.


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« Reply #178 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:35pm »


This is a fun question!

I would suspect that there is a baseline energy cost to 'folding' space, and then an additional cost based on how far you're going. I think it's reasonable to expect that a typical craft could not generate *infinite* amounts of energy, so there would be a limit on how far it could travel in a particular "jump" (if that's even the way it works).

If Isaac is indeed real, this would be one of the first questions I would want to ask. How interstellar travel works (as far as he may or may not know anyway), and if he heard any 'scuttlebutt' about the possibilities of inter-galactic travel. Maybe intergalactic travel (if it's possible even for our advanced friends) requires enormous wormhole generators at each end or some such thing...

Certainly is a fun one to think about!
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« Reply #179 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:40pm »

Thanks for your input, Keith. We really appreciate your professionalism. Might the age of the original photo - that is deterioration of color - and the fact that what we have is a scan, make a difference as well? I have photos from that time period that have been effected even though they've been sitting in boxes and not exposed to light. I think it's important to remember that these photos may be two decades old and therefore the photographic integrity somewhat compromised.
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