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« Reply #225 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 05:43am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:05pm, ABCStore wrote:
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Could someone PLEASE record the C2C radio show tomorrow night and share it with us in any audio format? I'm pretty sure it will be available at ConspiracyCentral, but just in case...
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Coast to Coast AM makes all of their broadcasts available in mp3 format as a "podcast" the next day. They are usually available within an hour of the program's completion. What's neat about them is that the commercials and top and bottom of the hour newsbreaks are editted out. You hear nothing but pure program. It cuts the time required to hear a full program by about 30%

The catch is that these podcasts are copyrighted by Premier Radio Networks. You have full access to C2C's podcasts over the last 90 days as a Streamlink member. That will cost you $6.95 for a month, or $26.95 for 6 months. If you're patient, you can hold off until C2C has another "free Streamlink weekend", where any listener can try it free for one weekend. They seem to offer this about once every two months.

BTW, Linda confirms on her Headlines section at Earthfiles.com, that she will be on for the first 2 hours of the program tonight, featuring her drone discussion with the University Professor in Computer Science and Engineering. This professor will go on record, so I guess we will get all the details about his identity. The downside is that will give the debunkers their favorite front from which to attack - the integrity of the messenger. I think the group assembled here is mostly equipped to recognize that and factor it in.
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« Reply #226 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 07:24am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 6:41pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Bakosawa: What I said earlier you didn't get. Did you agree with Keith's finding was my question.

Keith said: tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.
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Sorry, I'm bad...

Since light is the potential of color (you can not see a color that is not in a light source), it is common to use filters to “color correct” artificial lights to be more “daylight” like. D65, an illuminate that represents a black body radiating at 6500 degrees Kelvin, is a common standard for daylight and has a blue cast when compared to tungsten light (which has an orange-yellow cast). Vis-light spectrophotometers use a blue filter (actually a series of filters) to reproduce a D65 environment from the artificial light source being used (normally, either a quartz-halogen or xenon flash).

If you want to talk about developing color film… a lot can happen in the dark room… that is why you want to see the negatives….

With digital photos… you will want to look at the “raw” image. Each time the photo is handled electronically, resized, edited, etc… artifacts can be added or lost. The original photos of the Ty sighting (or any sighting) may have become “contaminated.”

If one looks at “aa,” the trees in the foreground are in fairly good focus, the trees in the background are out of focus… leading one to believe the focus is in front of the background trees. Yet, if you look at the high-res photo, the drone detail shows that it is in relatively “perfect focus.” That would have to place it in between the two sets of trees… closer to the front set (assuming that it is not added to the photo). That would make the craft fairly small when compared to the reported 80 foot size. It would be great if we could see the whole high-res image. cry
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« Reply #227 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 07:48am »

Hey ATO...

Did you get any responses from the other photography forum on Isaac's pictures?

I do not see the link.
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« Reply #228 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 08:01am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:48am, bakosawa wrote:
Hey ATO...Did you get any responses from the other photography forum on Isaac's pictures?I do not see the link.

Yeah, a lot of ideas on where to buy tin foil hats. I deleted the post.

You never did comment on what Keith said though. If you didn't know it, that's his business is photography.
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« Reply #229 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 08:04am »



Just an F.Y.I., I unlocked the Isaac #1, #2 and #3 threads. I don't think there is any reason not to post in those for new comers.

The server is wigging right now if you didn't notice. Isaac #4 disappeared off the board completely. I had it on my browser so I got it right back but it was history there for a minute or so. Glad I came in when I did.
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« Reply #230 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 08:42am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 07:24am, bakosawa wrote:
Sorry, I'm bad...

Since light is the potential of color (you can not see a color that is not in a light source), it is common to use filters to “color correct” artificial lights to be more “daylight” like. D65, an illuminate that represents a black body radiating at 6500 degrees Kelvin, is a common standard for daylight and has a blue cast when compared to tungsten light (which has an orange-yellow cast). Vis-light spectrophotometers use a blue filter (actually a series of filters) to reproduce a D65 environment from the artificial light source being used (normally, either a quartz-halogen or xenon flash).

If you want to talk about developing color film… a lot can happen in the dark room… that is why you want to see the negatives….

With digital photos… you will want to look at the “raw” image. Each time the photo is handled electronically, resized, edited, etc… artifacts can be added or lost. The original photos of the Ty sighting (or any sighting) may have become “contaminated.”

If one looks at “aa,” the trees in the foreground are in fairly good focus, the trees in the background are out of focus… leading one to believe the focus is in front of the background trees. Yet, if you look at the high-res photo, the drone detail shows that it is in relatively “perfect focus.” That would have to place it in between the two sets of trees… closer to the front set (assuming that it is not added to the photo). That would make the craft fairly small when compared to the reported 80 foot size. It would be great if we could see the whole high-res image. cry


Keith was talking about the Isaac artifacts. You're in left field with his response. I have no idea where this pertains to the blue in the I-beam picture and other pictures.
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« Reply #231 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 08:47am »

on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:32pm, Keith wrote:
Typically. tungsten bulbs are red shifted. Blue gels are used in front of the lights to brings the color balance back to white. So, back in the old days of color film, blue was the fix for indoor/artificial lighting. Same goes for video/motion picture lighting. Nowadays, the digital world corrects color balance. On the type of film used, Kodachrome was the best color rendition while Ektachrome could generate a BLUE cast if not perfectly exposed and development temperatures weren't held to +/- 1/2 degree. I developed and printed B/W back in the 60's, then tried color. Gave up on processing my own Ektachrome due to the blue cast.


So, I have nothing to disagree with Keith... I just have to wonder if a government lab in the 80's would spend the extra money to make pretty pictures or would they take photos more like the Q3-85... just sit it on the floor, light it up and snap away. Then, when the “pretty” pictures look weird... you got to ask yourself, why. I have no clue how to create Isaac's photos with film and lighting in the 1980’s... but it can be done digitally. The dark shadows are not the same color (sorry DrDil), so I think we can rule out a blue mat. As one tries to justify each thing, it becomes very complex for a simple lab photo (they would not be trying to win a prize for the most artistic photo of the year). It just does not make sense as we make it more and more complex.

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« Reply #232 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 09:18am »


Then as seen above, it should be Keith you are quoting, not me and so I fixed it for you.

Now, to get to the crux of the matter. You brought in a question but when somebody had an answer you danced around it and never really responded to Keith.

There's nothing wrong with presenting your issues, but in all fairness and so that the members know that something may have cancelled out your comment, you're going to have to account for the comments from others at the same time.
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« Reply #233 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 10:03am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 09:18am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Then as seen above, it should be Keith you are quoting, not me and so I fixed it for you.

Now, to get to the crux of the matter. You brought in a question but when somebody had an answer you danced around it and never really responded to Keith.

There's nothing wrong with presenting your issues, but in all fairness and so that the members know that something may have cancelled out your comment, you're going to have to account for the comments from others at the same time.


Hi ATO

Help me out here and explain the dance. The post have been happening quickly and I thought I was responding to the questions beings asked ( by clicking on the quote button). Give me another shot so that I can clarify. It sounds like I missed something.

Can you restate the question(s)?

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« Reply #234 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 10:08am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 08:47am, bakosawa wrote:
So, I have nothing to disagree with Keith... I just have to wonder if a government lab in the 80's would spend the extra money to make pretty pictures or would they take photos more like the Q3-85...

Why not? I'm sure they had a virtually unlimited budget. These kinds of tools are a pittance compared to the price tag of the entire project. But even that is a small price to pay should the team have even a tiny bit of success.

But keep scratching away. Who may yet find the smoking gun you search for. Wait a minute. I think I found it. On page 2 of Isaac's letter I think one of the (i)s are not dotted. Oh... no, sorry. It's only a dead pixel. wink
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« Reply #235 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am »

[ sarcasm ]

Drone hoax 101 - part one

  • if you don't already have one, go get yourself a good, modern computer with all the latest CAD, 3D, vector and photo editing software. Of course, you'll need a color printer and a scanner, too. And a cellphone.

  • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before

  • go out and take some cellphone pictures... i.e. of a satellite dish on the roof, park, forest, and so on

  • blend your 3D drone into this pictures, tweaking it a bit here and there with each picture set

  • make some alien-looking font and scribble something random on the underside of the drone, using various sizes and orientations

Wait a minute... this cellphone pictures don't show your new font! Why should you use just cellphone pictures? You are so good at this!

  • go out to the woods again, but this time with a better camera... get some first

  • render some high-resolution images of your new drone from different angles, nicely blended into your new, better forest pictures

  • make at least one picture that shows all the beauty of your new font

  • print your images and scan them back in, for authenticity (don't clean your scanner!)

  • invent some convenient story of how you got this images, using false name (i.e. "Chad")

  • send this story and new images to the C2C site... WTH, throw in one of your cellphone pictures, too

Hehe... it's fun, isn't it? Now, tell them you won't be talking to them again because you're scared. What with those other cellphone pictures, you ask? Well, send them to MUFON, pretending to be a woman. Did they bought it? Oh, it's so funny... let's do some more!

  • borrow an old digital Minolta and take some pictures out in the street

  • tweak your drone a bit more and render some more images, using full resolution this time

  • post your images to Craigslist, pretending you're some guy named Rajman from Capitola, CA

Cr*p... they deleted them! OK, let's try with flikr.com, open an account there and upload them again. Take care you don't spoil the EXIF data! What?! They hacked your flikr account? Well, never mind... someone has already downloaded the pictures, for sure. Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?


[ /sarcasm ]

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Wikipedia: Sarcasm from Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmos), 'mockery, sarcasm' is sneering, jesting, or mocking at a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound — stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's fantastic" to mean "that's awful".

It is used mostly in a humorous manner, and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words. Use of sarcasm is sometimes viewed as an expression of concealed anger, annoyance and/or ignorance.
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« Reply #236 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 10:21am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:08am, Latitude wrote:
Why not? I'm sure they had a virtually unlimited budget. These kinds of tools are a pittance compared to the price tag of the entire project. But even that is a small price to pay should the team have even a tiny bit of success.

But keep scratching away. Who may yet find the smoking gun you search for. Wait a minute. I think I found it. On page 2 of Isaac's letter I think one of the (i)s are not dotted. Oh... no, sorry. It's only a dead pixel. wink


Everybody has a budget.
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« Reply #237 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 10:37am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?[/color]


You forgot to include:

1.) Prepare a volumnous quarterly briefing document that's impressive enough to withstand weeks of scrutiny without having any of the tangible criticism of it stick, not to mention be authentic looking enough to convince others in the engineering field that it's legitimate.

2.) Draft dozens of credible sounding witnesses to come forth in print and on the air to substantiate your creations, sometimes in advance of your lastest revision being posted to the net.

Piece of cake, right? I don't know why I didn't think of it first! shocked
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« Reply #238 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:07am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:37am, OnlookerDelay wrote:
You forgot to include:

1.) Prepare a volumnous quarterly briefing document that's impressive enough to withstand weeks of scrutiny without having any of the tangible criticism of it stick, not to mention be authentic looking enough to convince others in the engineering field that it's legitimate.

2.) Draft dozens of credible sounding witnesses to come forth in print and on the air to substantiate your creations, sometimes in advance of your lastest revision being posted to the net.

Piece of cake, right? I don't know why I didn't think of it first! shocked


That's part two material, feel free to continue my story smiley
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« Reply #239 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:10am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:21am, bakosawa wrote:
Everybody has a budget.


I've watched product photos of similar quality be produced by an amateur photographer with a few hundred dollars worth of rented lighting and bristol board backings. I can't imagine a very well-funded project/team would have trouble managing the same level of quality quickly and easily.

Bako - can you please summarize your argument for us so we can get a clear understanding of what you're trying to say? Is your concern about the photos due to a color of shadow or something else? The conversation has gone around so many times, I'd just like to have a clear concept of what you're getting at.
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