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« Reply #240 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:18am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
Drone hoax 101 - part one
  • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before


  • And make sure that you have spent countless years in doing so first, because the job you have before you cannot be duplicated thus far by CGI, so that model has got to surpass the work of current day artists.

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    « Reply #241 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:20am »

    bakosawa hi; I dont know what it is you are prsenting on the pictures. to all that understand what she is doing. whould it not be better if we just let bakosawa finish and then present her conclusion about what she is uncomfortable about. wink
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    « Reply #242 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:24am »

    hey ATO and ALL; NEKITAMO loooook oooooout. ANY NEW IDEAS NEKITAMO.
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    « Reply #243 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:26am »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:07am, nekitamo wrote:
    That's part two material, feel free to continue my story smiley


    Ever hear of the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" rule? Dissecting how this could have been hoaxed is no feat at all. Pulling it off so masterfully, with such inventiveness and cohesion in the documents is the real accomplishment.

    You do the hoaxster(s) a terrible disservice by trivializing the effort and craftsmanship they put into it. Shame on you.

    I hope you have to prepare a project budget and plan someday, and use the same haughty mentality. When you're months overdue and out of money, you'll begin to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing work of this quality.
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    « Reply #244 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:29am »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:24am, jugement wrote:
    hey ATO and ALL; NEKITAMO loooook oooooout. ANY NEW IDEAS NEKITAMO.


    No jugement, Nekitamo has closed his book of lampoonistic comments designed to upset most apple carts.
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    « Reply #245 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:34am »

    ATO TRUST ME WHEN I READ HIS OR HER POST > ISAID TO MYSELF LOOK OUT > HER COMES ATO>
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    « Reply #246 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 11:42am »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:34am, jugement wrote:
    ATO TRUST ME WHEN I READ HIS OR HER POST > ISAID TO MYSELF LOOK OUT > HER COMES ATO>


    You know me too well jugement, healthy skepticism, accompanied with discovery is more then welcome - the druther forms opinions designed for the naive and uninformed.
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    « Reply #247 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 12:12pm »


    But beware that Skepticism doesn't derail your interest in what may be a techno-threat so advanced, we don't know how to disarm or deal with it.

    There's always the possibility that it's real and that it fits the objectives of Leadership, to empty this continent.

    huh eh?

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    « Reply #248 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 12:40pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:19am, nekitamo wrote:
    Drone hoax 101 - part one

    • if you don't already have one, go get yourself a good, modern computer with all the latest CAD, 3D, vector and photo editing software. Of course, you'll need a color printer and a scanner, too. And a cellphone.

    • create a 3D model of your drone, trying to make it something alien and never seen before

    • go out and take some cellphone pictures... i.e. of a satellite dish on the roof, park, forest, and so on

    • blend your 3D drone into this pictures, tweaking it a bit here and there with each picture set

    • make some alien-looking font and scribble something random on the underside of the drone, using various sizes and orientations

    Wait a minute... this cellphone pictures don't show your new font! Why should you use just cellphone pictures? You are so good at this!

    • go out to the woods again, but this time with a better camera... get some first

    • render some high-resolution images of your new drone from different angles, nicely blended into your new, better forest pictures

    • make at least one picture that shows all the beauty of your new font

    • print your images and scan them back in, for authenticity (don't clean your scanner!)

    • invent some convenient story of how you got this images, using false name (i.e. "Chad")

    • send this story and new images to the C2C site... WTH, throw in one of your cellphone pictures, too

    Hehe... it's fun, isn't it? Now, tell them you won't be talking to them again because you're scared. What with those other cellphone pictures, you ask? Well, send them to MUFON, pretending to be a woman. Did they bought it? Oh, it's so funny... let's do some more!

    • borrow an old digital Minolta and take some pictures out in the street

    • tweak your drone a bit more and render some more images, using full resolution this time

    • post your images to Craigslist, pretending you're some guy named Rajman from Capitola, CA

    Cr*p... they deleted them! OK, let's try with flikr.com, open an account there and upload them again. Take care you don't spoil the EXIF data! What?! They hacked your flikr account? Well, never mind... someone has already downloaded the pictures, for sure. Now, let's work on your new drone, something real big and ugly. Go get some more of those forest pictures with your new SLR digital camera, OK?



    Oh, Nekitamo, one detail in the story left to be faked: interviews with eyewitnesses to the drones. By the way, this bullshit must be good enough to deceive me a psychologist with 25 years experience, one who has specialized in lying and lie detection, one who has studied hundreds of liars and analyzed thousands of lies committed during face-to-face interviews.
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    « Reply #249 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 1:06pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:26am, Fencesitter wrote:
    Ever hear of the "10% inspiration, 90% perspiration" rule? Dissecting how this could have been hoaxed is no feat at all. Pulling it off so masterfully, with such inventiveness and cohesion in the documents is the real accomplishment.

    You do the hoaxster(s) a terrible disservice by trivializing the effort and craftsmanship they put into it. Shame on you.


    Well, excuse me... I forgot to place "sarcasm" tags around my story (fixed). Does it really seem like I'm making this hoax look trivial? I was trying for the exact opposite.

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    I hope you have to prepare a project budget and plan someday, and use the same haughty mentality. When you're months overdue and out of money, you'll begin to appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into producing work of this quality.


    Actually, I just thought of it today, and that made me write this joke afterwards. Probably should have posted it at that other forum.
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    « Reply #250 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 1:44pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:06pm, nekitamo wrote:
    Well, excuse me... I forgot to place "sarcasm" tags around my story (fixed). Does it really seem like I'm making this hoax look trivial? I was trying for the exact opposite.



    Actually, I just thought of it today, and that made me write this joke afterwards. Probably should have posted it at that other forum.


    Heh - sorry, Nekitamo, I should have used joke tags around mine too. I need to l2smiley wink
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    « Reply #251 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 11:10am, Fencesitter wrote:
    I've watched product photos of similar quality be produced by an amateur photographer with a few hundred dollars worth of rented lighting and bristol board backings. I can't imagine a very well-funded project/team would have trouble managing the same level of quality quickly and easily.

    Bako - can you please summarize your argument for us so we can get a clear understanding of what you're trying to say? Is your concern about the photos due to a color of shadow or something else? The conversation has gone around so many times, I'd just like to have a clear concept of what you're getting at.


    I’m not very good at this, but here goes….

    Looking at the Ty photos (especially at the high-res) and the Isaac photos, two things just jump out at me… a solid white (lacking detail) background (you just do not see this in photos), and a color of blue… especially looking at the feelers… and the shadow of the anti-grav components.

    It is not easy to get a solid white background that tops the RGB scale, without having variation, somewhere in the field of vision. I can’t do it. In the Ty photos, the trees are in direct sunlight… yet there is no blue sky… like in Steven’s photos. The “feelers” on the Ty high-res show a lack of detail… and parallel lines that "over enlarged" versions of other drones do (at 680% enlargement, I think that is what I did), yet I was showing the size of the high-res only at 100%. In fact, parts of the feelers are just missing. They don’t fade away, they just disappear like they are cut off. The different angles on the Ty craft show that it is a fairly glossy surface… with a “bright” background… there should be strong shadows and a glint or to on an edge… neither is true. The edges look “cut out” on the high-res photo… I do not get the “feel” that I am looking at a real object in the sky. There is debris scanned into the photo… where did it come from? The craft is between the trees in the foreground and the background… making the craft closer to a 8-10 foot model size (assuming it is there and not added).

    The Isaac photos… have the same 100% solid white background that tops the RGB scale. There is odd shadowing that becomes complex to explain… scientist, even if they had a billion dollar budget… just do not have the mentality to be artsy with their photos… just because someone thinks it can be done, does not mean that’s the way they would do it. An artist would think this way, but a scientist is too much “nuts and bolts” people to be making magazine cover photos for a quarterly R&D report. Yes… I do have some experience in this area. There are such things as dead lines with projects and with a ton of work to do (how many pages was the Isaac quarterly report… you have 3 months to do the work, and make the report with very limited manpower... it is not the money)… just set it on the floor and take the darn picture. If they are running a test on the device (where the beams “float”)… do you think they would do this in the safety of the light box? It just does not ring true.

    It is too convenient to be photographing on a undetailed 100% white background… its just too nice of a mat to work on… and the work is not that convincing (when examined at 100% enlargement).

    There is more to cause suspicion than to cause trust with Ty and Isaac. The other drones may hold a key. This is just my opinion… I may be wrong, I may be right… all I can ask is to help find the errors, affirm what is correct.
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    « Reply #252 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 2:36pm »

    Bakosawa correct me if I am wrong. I thought that you are the expert on the problem that you see wrong. So shouldnt you show and explain it to us. OR are you asking your self questions out loud?
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    « Reply #253 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 3:03pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:36pm, jugement wrote:
    Bakosawa correct me if I am wrong. I thought that you are the expert on the problem that you see wrong. So shouldnt you show and explain it to us. OR are you asking your self questions out loud?


    Jugement... hopefully, I am not here to judged as an expert. Just a fellow searcher.

    I do not have all of answers... more questions than answers really... I do not have a blind belief system one way or the other. If you want my opinion based on evidence, I am happy to share it. If you want my guess, happy to share too.

    I do not see the drones as an all or nothing package. I do not believe the Isaac story line (some rings true, some not). I see a possible connection (MO) between Ty and Isaac... then again, I may be full of blue berry muffins.

    You must seek the truth in these things for yourself.... I do not think someone is gong to walk up and hand it to us. Keep looking, then some day.... maybe.

    Photos are not concrete evidence. Stories are not concrete evidence, reports like Isaac's are not concrete evidence... speculation is not concrete evidence, we must be patience... it will come.
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    « Reply #254 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 3:04pm »

    on Jul 27th, 2007, 1:50pm, bakosawa wrote:
    I’m not very good at this, but here goes….There is more to cause suspicion than to cause trust with Ty and Isaac. The other drones may hold a key. This is just my opinion… I may be wrong, I may be right… all I can ask is to help find the errors, affirm what is correct.


    Then let it go because these things were already hashed out. Possibilities and/or reasons for were presented. I'm not going looking through all those pages for everything either, that's hours of work and I work for free. lol I guess you'll just have to wait for someone else to come in that hasn't already commented on such - and see.
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