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« Reply #390 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 3:59pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:58am, brm1 wrote:
Actually Apple was founded by Steve Jobs and the woz. They visited Xerox PARC and came away with the idea of the mouse and graphical interface Xerox dropped the ball -- that led to the development of the LISA the Lisa led to the development and release of the Mac in 1984 (which by the way was totally capable of creating the documents that Isaac presented, the Lisa sold for 10,000 in 1982 or 83 and was mostly purchased by government and big business. I know this because I was selling Lisa's in that time frame. Xerox had the first laser printer to be used with the microcomputer 1980 or 1981 if I recall -- cost as much as two chevys though. Apple introduced the Laser writer in 1985 (5,000_ the software was Aldus pagemaker and the computer was the Mac. That is considered the birth of desktop publishing. Quite within the means of a gee whiz gov. project. As a matter of fact Xerox, Rochester Institute of Technology Xerox and Kodak were my biggest customers for that particular technology.

Who started Apple is a niggiling point but when your are debating speculation it is particularly important to keep real facts straight.


REsponding to this because you seem to recall the "newness" of DTP technologies. However, you aren't taking account Adobe's part in it making desktop publishing possible. The fonts, Bezier curve technology, etc etc. I can't in my wildest dreams imagine Xerox letting something like this be borrowed or used by someone like CARET, since Xerox was working on developing the same technology for its own commercial purposes.

I still believe Isaac's report would HAVE to have been produced offset at the time -- particularly to include the photos in it. He says no, because they had to be able to change it all the time. OK... Dont' want to go into that, that is, exactly how impossible those kinds of changes were in those days, and how that became a major selling point for DTP.

Someone brought up Ventura software as among the first DTP apps available. I was using Ventura in the mid-80s. No possible way you could produce a document like Isaac's report. Even if you could -- no laser printer at the time could have printed it out in such high resolution.

In addition, thought I'd see if I could find a "real" engineering report to try to compare it to Isaac's just in terms of general features. Did find this (see link below), which, interestingly enough, comes from Cisco -- a Silicon Valley company. This apparently was an internal report on some kind of new technology. Note the "Confidential" at the bottom of every page, though apparently Cisco was only working on its own ideas and nothing like alien telchnology borrowed from the government.

www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/netsol/ns103/c654/cdccont_0900aecd800c552e.pdf

Always feel like I'm spoiling the party, but I'm sure you guys are way past listening to the counter-arguments about the authenticity of Isaac's documents or the orginial CGI graphics, so don't believe I'll be doing you any harm!

You know, bias goes both ways, both pro and con.

I do believe that there are UFOs, and it seems to be that these types of hoaxes just make it impossible for anyone to do serious research on the genuine cases. And they guarantee that no real scientist would touch this topic.

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« Reply #391 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 4:24pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 3:59pm, chgowriter wrote:
In addition, thought I'd see if I could find a "real" engineering report to try to compare it to Isaac's just in terms of general features. Did find this (see link below), which, interestingly enough, comes from Cisco -- a Silicon Valley company. This apparently was an internal report on some kind of new technology. Note the "Confidential" at the bottom of every page, though apparently Cisco was only working on its own ideas and nothing like alien telchnology borrowed from the government.

www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/netsol/ns103/c654/cdccont_0900aecd800c552e.pdf

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This "real" report was also made in 2001... how could we compare this to one done in '86? Doesn't prove a thing.
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« Reply #392 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 4:25pm »

LANGLEE wrote; we chased one after watching it hover over a hospital; my first sighting was simaler, yet we was riding in a car.the lady I was riding with did not know what she was witnessing. five of them apeared in front of st,marys hospital above electrical wires. coming towards us was chanel five news anchor truck. never saw any thing in the news of it. this hapened in west palm beach fla. later I was told that those are the ones that are seen over hospitals are scientist and doctors. they are mainly respons coolible for most abductions.
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« Reply #393 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 4:29pm »

After reading the new report on the extraordinary Linda Moulton Howe Earthfiles Website by ISAAC where he obliterates his childish detractors, I am back. These are my personal opinions that follow. I do not like OMF (IMO) due to their youthful and inexperienced opinions on very important subjects. Someone someday can explain to me why devout skeptics come to sites such as this if it is not to ridicule other opinions and start trouble. IMO this is there only legitimate reason for surfacing. To you ATO, do as you wish that is your power. IMO these events are far from over and are now a substantial part of UFO History and can not be debunked. Doubt may be cast upon them, but they will last for a long time and no one will ever know the absolute truth about them. I would strongly suggest that all humans wake up to the fact that something other that "human" is rousing now. It is far, far more powerful that humans and will not take human threats in any form. It (IMO) is not new to this earth and it is not going away. To all: "STAY TUNED".
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« Reply #394 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm »

Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??
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« Reply #395 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 5:24pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 4:29pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
To you ATO, do as you wish that is your power.


Leviathan66, it really and simply comes down to one thing, which is Freedom of Speech. The messages that I convey come from the webmaster and not myself. I hope you figured that out. He feels, and he's correct that skeptics have an opinion and such should be accepted. To turn away the skeptic would be biased and asking for trouble.

By skeptic, you know I mean skepticism that is accompanied by discovery (no matter how silly it may look to us) and not just words. Those with simply words are not skeptics by any means and only looking for an argument - you know this, I know this, we all know this.

Yeah, it's a tough crowd at OMF, isn't it? Well, welcome back. One day at a time dude, one day at a time.

And by the way, just so's ya know. I'm not a fence sitter. I believe Isaac is for real. I see Isaac in what he says, when he writes what it is he writes. Especially today. I don't have to look at a bunch of photos, linguistic primers or reports to see that the man is authentic in his words. Certainly the rest helps but I don't require such things anymore to be convinced.
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« Reply #396 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 5:26pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm, brm1 wrote:
Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??


Yes, the truth would probably rarely exist without the skeptic. Instead, we would all be living a lot of lies.

Unfortunately, we've have had to define skeptic around here because there are many that come in calling themselves a skeptic, however are no more then a trouble maker looking for an argument.
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« Reply #397 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 5:47pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:20pm, brm1 wrote:
Aren't skeptics the only thing holding truths feet to the fire??


I have heard this argument before that we need the skeptics to keep us honest. I actually used to believe too. But not any more. See, we are capable of deciphering the truth ourselves. We're not total idiots who need to be constantly checked by those who apparently think more realistically.

What those skeptics do is confuse the issues. They cause us to get so bogged down that we begin doubting ourselves and our logic. We don't need them. We have our own "healthy skepticism". What they bring is unhealthy. It's a selective skepticism that can disbelieve one thing but at the same time believe a more outlandish theory. Like the kook who is on OMF right now spouting a theory that has the BB object suspended by a crane with fishing line.
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« Reply #398 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 5:51pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 5:47pm, Latitude wrote:
I have heard this argument before that we need the skeptics to keep us honest. I actually used to believe too. But not any more. See, we are capable of deciphering the truth ourselves. We're not total idiots who need to be constantly checked by those who apparently think more realistically.


There's a lot of naive people in the world Latitude. I don't think the rules were set for you or people like you but somebody has to set rules based on the mindsets of others.
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« Reply #399 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 7:34pm »

I've been listening to C2C last night till 2am EST. Once they moved onto 30-minute call-in segment I went to bed (and WM recorder kept running till 8am...). What a disappointment sad

By the way, C2C can be listened to after 12am EST M-F at www.1140wrva.com

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« Reply #400 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 9:39pm »

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ChemicalDave, I noticed that your critique is still present here:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/critiquedronephotographs.html

As a scientist, are you going to follow up on that critique via email to the poster so that it is appended with your new findings?

You now know that the image analyzed was in fact a highly compressed JPEG image which resulted in your erroneous findings. The critique page addendum should state that your photographic findings are not indicative of any hoax.
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« Reply #401 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 10:47pm »

chgowriter, I ask as you do, please give me some solid, hard, concrete, physical evidence that the documents are hoaxed, and that the Capitola pics are hoaxed.
Produce something other than your words proving the documents weren't made where it is said they are made. You seem to think it couldn't be done because YOU couldn't make something like that back in the '80's....so you worked everywhere, you knew everything available. C'mon, give me a break.
I myself have done work for the space agency and Defense Dept., I don't know their secrets, but I do know that some equipment I built for them in the '70's would've knocked you for a loop, and to this day we can't use what I made.
I have no idea if this is all true, but I do know that there is a highly detailed sequence of events dating back to a witness observation in '86. Photos, documents, witness audio interviews, and you come up with ......... exactly.
Not good enough........if you put this on scales you'd be outweighed.
We come here, discuss, trade ideas....
You come in.....with nothing constructive.
I'll add that to "Mission Accomplished", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", and the Pat Tillman debacle.
The evidence is of no consequence, not even a consideration.
If and when I get proof that this is real or hoax I'll pass it along.
When you get proof that this is a hoax please pass it on.
As you see my mission will entail much more work than your's will, because I'm looking both ways.
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« Reply #402 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 11:00pm »

Below is a filter picture of the Birmingham Drone I made soon after it appeared on the net. Notice the white globe like object in the center of the ring section. The globe is also correct for the surrounding lighting. What is it. OMF's expert dismissed the drone as CG without ever mentioning that of all the photos it is the lowest in resolution therefore limiting any detail. It also has file compression problems. The "expert" spent his time "proving" that he could reproduce a low resolution drone with compression problems. His reproduction is even less detailed and even though was excepted as the definative proof that this is also a fake. My question remains: What is the white globe?


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« Reply #403 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 11:09pm »

Got some ideas, maybe it's not a globe but a byproduct of whatever is going on in the center.
Hard to say when I don't have a clue as to what the thing is for in the first place lol.
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« Reply #404 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 11:12pm »

on Jul 28th, 2007, 11:00pm, LEVIATHAN66 wrote:
Below is a filter picture of the Birmingham Drone I made soon after it appeared on the net. Notice the white globe like object in the center of the ring section. The globe is also correct for the surrounding lighting. What is it. OMF's expert dismissed the drone as CG without ever mentioning that of all the photos it is the lowest in resolution therefore limiting any detail. It also has file compression problems. The "expert" spent his time "proving" that he could reproduce a low resolution drone with compression problems. His reproduction is even less detailed and even though was excepted as the definative proof that this is also a fake. My question remains: What is the white globe?



I believe that this drone is a US back-engineered drone. The style is different from the ones that have alien writing on them. This one looks "cheaper" so to speak.

The light anomaly in the center is probably from whatever energy field is operating in the device. I wonder why it got in the middle of the wires. As you can see, it is above some wires but below others. This is probably why it got decloaked.

Also, there were unmarked trucks with unmarked trailers on the back in the vicinity. Someone dismissed them as saying that they were cable TV guys installing cable at someone's house? Since when does any company that is trying to SELL anything like Cable subscriptions use UNMARKED vehicleshuh Usually it says the name of the company like TimeWarner or ComCast or whatever on the outside of the vehicle, and it is usually VAN's not trucks with trailers.

I remember Farmboy posting a link about Ubiquity in one of the threads and talked about US gov using these drones over telephone wires to spy on phone conversations.
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