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« Reply #45 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 2:57pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:34pm, MarkM wrote:
On the matching rings - I think it's the same on both sides as the panels appear to overlap a track so that they are movable. Also, in the inventory shot one of these panels is broken and flipped back or positioned under the ring. In the picture posted here which is flipped, that would be on your bottom right. I thought at one time that these were papers of some sort (which would indicate size), but then was shown that isn't the case and agreed.



I'll call the side of the ring we see as the bottom, the side we cannot see is the top. There are some asymmetrys to note.
There is one layer of notches or cogs around the inner part of the ring. The cogs are on the sky side or floor side of the ring. Closer to the camera are the thin flat arcs. So the ring is not symmetric top half to bottom half if cut through like a bagel. Also the spikes in the Ty photo are attached on the top, as is the "hitch" to the central castle shown on the left. I don't think the ring will look the same on the top side as on the side we see.
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« Reply #46 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 3:04pm »

It appears to me that the asymmetries are the same on the new photo and on the 20 year old photos. Point for point
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« Reply #47 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 3:18pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
Has anyone noticed how those wedding lanterns seem to form a triangle at high altitude in the Earthfiles photo this morning? They stand still for a while and then they fly off at high speed. What the heck is going on here?

Not too good for the pub business as all the patrons went outside to look up at the night sky.

Just a guess but I wonder if it could have been a UFO.

Just sort of wondering what it could have been.

Who knows anything for sure these days.

If you look at the video, it sure is U F O. And what does the police says? It's nothing worth speaking about, it must be balloons or lanterns or flares, etc.
Why would Raj or Chad or Ty go to the police? To have their photos confiscated and to be explained they're hoaxers? For me, there are obvious reasons why they didn't go to the police.
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« Reply #48 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 3:32pm »

The following was posted in a thread that was moved to the Isaac thread so I find it necessary to move the balance to the Isaac thread.

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:57pm, Watchtheskies wrote:
The hoaxers who have made this very very good CGI photo library must be laughing so much right now. It's been proven CGI by **EXPERTS** the issac photos have shadows in places they shoulden't have and no shadows in places they should have. I don't see the point in following this anymore, milking everything out of it when there is nothing there.
It would be nice to believe these things are real, but unfortunately they are not. Also MUFON have looked at these and they say they are FAKE also.. hoaxers are obviously getting better at this, hence why you are still on the trail, but as UFO investors, we must also adapt to this, hoaxes are no longer "oh theres pixelation around that.. its fake" its getting more serious.

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The hoaxers who have made this very very good CGI photo library must be laughing so much right now.

We have seen no proof of that as of yet. We've seen CGI artists mock such with their own renditions, however nothing more then that.

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It's been proven CGI by **EXPERTS** the issac photos have shadows in places they shoulden't have and no shadows in places they should have.

Then why didn't you bring this proof in here with you?

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I don't see the point in following this anymore, milking everything out of it when there is nothing there.
It would be nice to believe these things are real, but unfortunately they are not.

Outside of say Chad, which is still debateable, the drones and Isaac are still theoretical so how can you say such.

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Also MUFON have looked at these and they say they are FAKE also.. hoaxers are obviously getting better at this, hence why you are still on the trail, but as UFO investors, we must also adapt to this, hoaxes are no longer "oh theres pixelation around that.. its fake" its getting more serious.

This is not true. First of all, the investigation and report of Mufon's was written on May 16th.

In this report, Mufon requested the assistance of two CGI people. Those two CGI people looked only at the Chad photos. They never commented on any of the other drones, nor did they comment on Isaac's information that he presented since it did not exist until June 26th. The Big Basin drones were not presented as well because even they hadn't existed for us until June 5th, also well beyond that date of May 16th.

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I had several trusted friends & experts in CGI (computer generated Images) examine these images, as well as the earlier Coast to Coast images. One examiner is Mr. Steve Neil who has and continues to do computer generated images for the History Channels television program 'UFO Files'. The other effects person is a Mr. Marc D' Antonio. He owns and operates a business in Connecticut named FX Models. http://www.fxmodels.com/

They are referring to the Chad images only. Both the ones they had in their possession, which they received from Coast to Coast via Chad and the same images posted directly onto the Coast to Coast website.

Absolutely nothing has been stated above for any of the images that followed Chad, let alone Isaac. As well, even the Tahoe images, which were presented before Chad weren't mentioned either. Those were the camera phone images. Certainly not CGI, very poor quality if it is.
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« Reply #49 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:03pm »

I don't see, why this "true/not true" about the pictures earlier, either delivered by "Chad" or anyone else for that matter needs to take up our time...as we have the BigBasin Hires from TY, that concludes ANY question whether or not this is true. The workings on this in the earlier thread (#3) allmost (and I say allmost, because this isn't a closed deal as of now) has delivered evidence, compared to the Scematics of "Isaac", that the mashinery of ET are working here, and the believing part are to be worked out, now this has come so close to a conclusion as there ever will be for Mankind.

Just to summarise: If, per say...something close to the "Linqustic Primer" Isaac provided, are to be seen on ANY Photo, taken by unwilling witnesses, are the same, or slightly off, then it might be proof a a hoax. If it turns out, that the "Scematics" on eyewitnesses Photo's are deviant from this, and worked on in zoomed areas, providing evidence, that the images of the "Primers" can be seen even in there, closes the object of hoax.

As stated before: Why?

Why would anyone go to the lenght of hoaxing pixels that deep in a Photo?

You tell me, 'cause I am sure blind, if this should be the issue here.

Why would this spread to Engineers, and the like, and even to Scientists, (they have to take time to figure this out, belive me) before coming in here, to tell their opinion.

No, we now face another state, that of a new way of looking into a new world.

It's entirely up to anyone to believe what comes to mind - and to realise, that the world have now changed.

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« Reply #50 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:04pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 1:50pm, urantia606 wrote:
Has anyone noticed how those wedding lanterns seem to form a triangle at high altitude in the Earthfiles photo this morning? They stand still for a while and then they fly off at high speed. What the heck is going on here?

Not too good for the pub business as all the patrons went outside to look up at the night sky.

Just a guess but I wonder if it could have been a UFO.
Just sort of wondering what it could have been.
Who knows anything for sure these days.


I hadn't see the video. I had only seen it from BJs article. Just the same, I wish the one with the camera would have stayed where he was with the lights and stop panning like he did.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/stratford.html
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« Reply #51 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:12pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:03pm, VonStern wrote:
I don't see, why this "true/not true" about the pictures earlier, either delivered by "Chad" or anyone else for that matter needs to take up our time...as we have the BigBasin Hires from TY, that concludes ANY question whether or not this is true.


Wouldn't that be nice if we were to stop seeing the MUFON enactments? Sure it would but because they still continue, they must also be defined since there is an assumption made that all drones and Isaac have been rolled up into some neat ball based on MUFON's comment made way back in May.

We know this is not so but others are selling such. I'm just making sure that any new members who haven't finished reading all of the drone reports and Isaac understand that MUFON was only referring to Chad and that we still have difficulty with that since other CGI artists have denounced MUFON's two CGI artists.

Sometimes I find it necessary to make mention of things many of you are already privy to when there are more still coming into the forum that are not. I know I'm a pest when I have to do such things but they need to be repeated occasionally. lol grin
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« Reply #52 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:15pm »

Is there a way to find a detailed version of the Mufon report? Is there a document where they precisely show in which picture and at which place exactly they see proof of fakery? What I've read so far wasn't detailed enough to understand what they meant and make up my mind.

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« Reply #53 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:18pm »

Ok, ATO grin

I wasn't picking at you anyway laugh

I know...just wanted to stirr the pot!

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« Reply #54 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:25pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:18pm, VonStern wrote:
Ok, ATU grinI wasn't picking at you anyway laughI know...just wanted to stirr the pot!
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I didn't think you were. I just used your post to explain why I do some of the things I do is all. You should see my PM area. I can't show it to you obviously since it's private. However, it is what forces me sometimes to do certain things that look redundant or repetitive.
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« Reply #55 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:04pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
I hadn't see the video. I had only seen it from BJs article. Just the same, I wish the one with the camera would have stayed where he was with the lights and stop panning like he did.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/stratford.html


Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky. I don't see where they fly about like some extra-terrestrial craft. The eyewitness comments are interesting but they never mention what happened to the lights after 30 minutes. Did they blink out? Did they fly into space at supersonic speed? Important information no?

Also, pardon my ignorance but I don't get why people think Disclosure is just around the corner. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but the ufo phenom has been going on for 60+ years now. I bet ufo dudes were thinking the same thing when they saw the MJ12 docs, the Phoenix lights, etc...

Those of you that are in contact with the aliens. What do they tell you? Can't you just say "Whassup Beeblebrox, when are you gonna stop dancing around in the sky like a bunch of fireflies and do something interesting?!"?


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« Reply #56 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:34pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky. I don't see where they fly about like some extra-terrestrial craft. The eyewitness comments are interesting but they never mention what happened to the lights after 30 minutes. Did they blink out? Did they fly into space at supersonic speed? Important information no?

Also, pardon my ignorance but I don't get why people think Disclosure is just around the corner. Maybe I'm just a pessimist but the ufo phenom has been going on for 60+ years now. I bet ufo dudes were thinking the same thing when they saw the MJ12 docs, the Phoenix lights, etc...

Those of you that are in contact with the aliens. What do they tell you? Can't you just say "Whassup Beeblebrox, when are you bitches gonna stop dancing around in the sky like a bunch of fireflies and do something interesting?!"?




Oh, no - You're in for the Big One here, as are the rest of the Planet....

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« Reply #57 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:50pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:31pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on the video alone they do look like some Chinese lanterns hanging in the sky.


Taiwanese sky lanterns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpRMRM6VtKc

I thought I would post this since someone is bound to eventually.
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« Reply #58 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 4:57pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:34pm, VonStern wrote:
Oh, no - You're in for the Big One here, as are the rest of the Planet....

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Based on what information?

FYI - I don't fear disclosure. I want it to happen ASAP. There has to be countless other cultures in our Milky Way galaxy of 200 billion stars (that's a very big number). Then of course there's the billions of other galaxies in the universe.

We already know that life can form in the most desolate environments. And life has had billions of years to develop into technologically advanced civilizations.

I don't have much faith in the common interpretation of Drake's Law. That's a bunch of hogwash because the variables it's based on are huge unknowns. Even the slightest variation in a parameter can change the outcome dramatically because the number of stars in existence is immense.

Any alleged "scientist" should be aware of the nature of life's ability to develop in many different environments and the huge probability of life evolving in many other star systems.

So to summarize, I'm pretty sure there is a lot of alien life out there but why are is that alien life so elusive?
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« Reply #59 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 5:00pm »

on Jul 25th, 2007, 4:57pm, StayFocused wrote:
Based on what information?


I have information but I don't share it because it's only fact for me since it's based on personal experience and personal observation. There are a few in this forum that can say the same as myself.

Unfortunately for the others, that infomation will forever be theoretical due to the simple fact that they have not experienced it or observed it.

That's just the way it is.
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