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« Reply #540 on: Aug 1st, 2007, 11:07pm »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
What's so wrong about being Brazilian? smiley

I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.

Skepticism if done properly is a good thing. It's when you go overboard with it that it becomes very bad.



Hi Latitude smiley
Nothing wrong I think cheesy

I understand your point of view, I'm not so sure if you understood mine:
It just seemed very weird to me such documentary in the same week (or month) we are discussing same issue here...
I'm not saying that I believe chemtrails are something real or bad, or both, or that the california water is contaminated... I just wrote the point said in the program (by the people of this website I posted).

Maybe is all just a coincidence, but somehow I got a little tired of coincidences...

Sorry if I sounded a little agressive, not my intention
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« Reply #541 on: Aug 1st, 2007, 11:09pm »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:52pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Hi everyone smiley
ICoincidence or not, but just now there was this documentary in Discovery Channel about the Chemtrails shocked same week that we were talking about it here...

But I was listening close when they said about the problems with the water in california, that was claimed by the believers that was caused by the chemtrails. Maybe our famous Drones in CA has something to do (like I suppose was already one conclusion of you guys) with it...

Some of the things I took from the program was the website of the California guys against the Chemtrail problem:
http://www.californiaskywatch.com/

And this link just to increase our knowledge (specially for Urantia or Castles... I don't remember who was most interested in this issue of chemtrails)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-engineering

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Hi Ark -- you always have great comments! Glad to have someone from Brazil here also.

Yeah those chemtrails are something! Schechaiya made the comment that maybe the chemtrails (or what they were putting in them -- or whatever they were doing to the ionosphere) were causing the decloaking of the drones there in California. Chemtrails seem to be really bad there. Also, as I am finding out, they are very bad in Texas too. I saw a bunch for myself yesterday and today. Lawwalk posted a video link under the Chemtrails section also that was very informative.

I emailed the mayor of the city where I work (with questions about what the chemtrails are and what the government was spraying) and the mayor's office of the town where my house is and I sent the same question to my uncle who is a big-wig for the Environmental Protection Agency. I will let you all know what he says.
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« Reply #542 on: Aug 1st, 2007, 11:29pm »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 10:27pm, castles4me wrote:
Yes, Urantia... is that the "report" you are referring to? I thought we had all figured out that it was written by the president of the Fantasy Science fiction writers group. I am not being skeptical as far as the drones... but I am as far as that book. It's fiction.... move on.


Hey, Castles:

I don't know why my posts are so upsetting to you. I don't direct my posts to you in a personal manner but some odd reason you attack my every post.. I don't attack your posts so why don't you extend the same courtesy to me? You keep saying "Get over it". Isn't that a bit condescending?

This is just the beginning of a great adventure. Hope you and the rest have fun along the way.
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« Reply #543 on: Aug 1st, 2007, 11:42pm »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.


Hi Lat -- I wasn't sure about Chemtrails either, I saw all of Lawwalk's pictures he posted here under the chemtrails section... but when I saw them for myself all over the skies here in Texas I knew it was real!! Contrails actually disappear rather immediately... the Chemtrails linger on and on and on and spread out over hours. I will agree, some of the conspiracy theories about this seem very far-fetched, but there is a truth to it... as with everything, we have to wade through the muck to get the truth out. But here are some clear-cut things that are facts and not conspiracy theories:

Here you can read about HR 2977 -- the bill proposed to congress in 2001 and 2002 to ban certain things going into space such as chemtrails (in section B -- under Exotic Weapons Systems)-- you can read it yourself from these websites of the Federation of American Scientists:
www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html
"Owning the Weather by 2025" a "hypothetical" research paper written to the air force by majors for the purpose of using weather as a weapon. (it was supposedly hypothetical but those things are already happening!!)
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

Also you can check out HAARP information. -- and if HAARP is so naively only using the system to help protect us from ozone depletion and global warming, how come it is owned and run by DARPA and other military/defense agencies instead of weather/science related organizations.

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I know that this may seem off-topic... but it may not be.

Lots of chemtrails in California and decloaked drones.

Plus on the report to the Air Force one of the things listed in the "capabilities matrix" was that manufactured cloud formations can help:

- Increase Concealment
- Disrupt Communications/Radar
- Disable/Destroy Space Assets

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« Reply #544 on: Aug 1st, 2007, 11:48pm »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:29pm, urantia606 wrote:
Hey, Castles:

I don't know why my posts are so upsetting to you. I don't direct my posts to you in a personal manner but some odd reason you attack my every post.. I don't attack your posts so why don't you extend the same courtesy to me? You keep saying "Get over it". Isn't that a bit condescending?

This is just the beginning of a great adventure. Hope you and the rest have fun along the way.
Cheers.


your posts don't upset me... and I am not "attacking" you or your post. And... I didn't say "get over it" I said "move on" -- maybe I should have said "Can we please move on?" is that better?

It just seems unproductive to keep bringing up things that were already proven to be untrue is all. Maybe it's just me.
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« Reply #545 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:05am »

Hey Castles:

That book that contains the alien report has not been 'proven' to be untrue at all, BTW.

Also you just made a post about 'chem trails'. Some people say that chem trails are nothing but jet plane exhaust.

But let me add, you have every right to post what you want. I have no problem with you posting your opinions about anything. That's what this Forum is all about.

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« Reply #546 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:07am »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water. So be skeptical about what you are hearing. Chemtrails? They are called contrails and they are normal when a speeding jet cuts through the atmosphere. Sorry but I can get skeptical too. I just happen to believe the drones are real but I don't believe in everything.

Skepticism if done properly is a good thing. It's when you go overboard with it that it becomes very bad.


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« Reply #547 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:24am »

on Aug 2nd, 2007, 12:05am, urantia606 wrote:
Hey Castles:

That book that contains the alien report has not been 'proven' to be untrue at all, BTW.


Urantia, I am sorry if I seemed condescending... was not my intention. In your previous post on the last page, you were talking about reading the report from 1954 and the conclusions you had.... it seemed like you were stating them as facts.

Maybe you could have worded it that those were your theories or ideas based on the information in the book. Your post seemed misleading in that it seemed to present facts based on a report instead of your opinions garnered from reading a book written by the president of the Science fiction fantasy writers group N3F under the most questionable of auspices.

Just my opinion... thanks for all that you share with the forum.... oh and for the record I actually agreed with something you said the other day too... I am not always against you smiley hehe
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« Reply #548 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 03:50am »

Hey all....

first, for all who watched the video on the drones I did last month and appreciated it, thank you... I'm just starting to use some new software, so hopefully as time goes on, I can make longer, more detailed reports (on many subjects), in less time.

Latitude: heh, I think you might have watched the second video first (when we were discussing them last week?), and maybe didn't realize that there were two reports, one which pointed out the 'pros' and the other which i did focus more on the 'cons' from the skeptical arena, only because that's where the most information was originating from... Though in the second one, I still ended in kind of a "I really don't know what to make of this whole thing" note.

Been busy the last few days, soooo I guess I gotta get caught up around here and see what the latest news is.... any suggestions as to where the most important things are to start with? (only trying to be most productive with my budgeted time...at least until Finals are over next week, then I can "play" for a while)

Also, for anyone who likes the vids I've done, I put up one that's of a little bit different nature tonight, it's more of a 'chill atmospheric' video, featuring a 'slide show' of hubble (and other) space telescopes, set to some cool Tangerine Dream music. It's called "Astral Voyage"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOf5wDzapsg

Sheesh, I gotta start coming in during hours when people are still awake!
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« Reply #549 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 04:01am »

on Aug 1st, 2007, 11:00pm, Latitude wrote:
I'm in California and there is nothing wrong with our water.


hahaha just a little side comment..... that depends on where you are in California.... I used to live near a town called Hanford, and they have to treat their water in such a way, that it literally smells (very strongly) like rotten eggs.... ugh... it is so nasty there, that if you go out to eat, and the restaurant has their ice machine hooked up to the city water without being filtered.... well, most places offer drinks in cans and bottles, or will serve you the drink without ice. And showers......... YUCK

It may be 'safe' to DRINK..... but...... that's why God invented bottled water!
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« Reply #550 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 05:39am »

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2142.html?theme=light

I noticed this "Surveillance Dragonfly" story posted on C2C this morning while reading the recap from last night show with Shermer & Friedman (dubbed round 2 after Larry King Live show grin). IMO, it doesn't resemble the "drones"
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« Reply #551 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 08:29am »

Here is another link, to Nexus magazine, with more info about chem trails. It's from 2001, so it's a few years old, though.
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« Reply #552 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 08:35am »

on Aug 2nd, 2007, 05:39am, drewlac wrote:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2142.html?theme=light

I noticed this "Surveillance Dragonfly" story posted on C2C this morning while reading the recap from last night show with Shermer & Friedman (dubbed round 2 after Larry King Live show grin). IMO, it doesn't resemble the "drones"


I blew it up.... it does kind of look like the drones, except with wings. If the wing looking things pointed straight up in the center of if, it would look exactly like a drone. I do remember reading somewhere that they were coming up with insect type surveillance crafts for spying... this could be one.

ok... found the story here: (but it doesn't look like that drone -- it is small insect like surveillance-- might want to keep your flyswatter handy, guys)

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/robotic-covert-surveillance-insect-takes-off-for-the-first-time/
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« Reply #553 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:06am »

The obvious similarity that I see in this pic is the extension in "tow" that matches well with the infamous "sprinkler drone". The wings are very insect like (organic) and very different from what we've come to understand propels these craft. Doesn't fit the profile for the top array at all.

Since the jury is still out on the "sprinkler drone", I think I'd wait on this new one. Actually, the body of the "sprinkler drone" matches well with a rather poor CGI model that was done by a poster on OM. This pic (the SD)is still my best vote for a copycat hoax. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #554 on: Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:47am »

on Aug 2nd, 2007, 09:06am, MarkM wrote:
The obvious similarity that I see in this pic is the extension in "tow" that matches well with the infamous "sprinkler drone". The wings are very insect like (organic) and very different from what we've come to understand propels these craft. Doesn't fit the profile for the top array at all.



The wings look organic but the body doesn't... very strange huh Mark..... And agree, it looks (if we really were comparing) most like the "sprinkler drone" -- and I agree again with you, that that image is the one that is most questionable to me as well.

I guess though, having a dragon-fly drone could be possible, even with bio-wings. ET or otherwise engineered.
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