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« Reply #570 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 08:54am »

Xeriod - I think you need to send a note to LMH @ Earthfiles with this request, its a good one. She is the one who has been in contact with Jenna L/Stephen. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up because I'm not sure witnesses are talking any more.
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« Reply #571 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:14am »

on Aug 3rd, 2007, 07:13am, Xeroid wrote:
I am very interested in photography and have a Digital Rebel XTi not dissimilar to Rebel XT that Jenna/Stephen captured the Big Basin images with.

I have mentioned EXIF data before but it seems there are people who can look at the detailed camera settings and establish if an images stacks up ...here is a sample from a forum member below.

So my question is, does someone know where we can get an original JPEG image right from Jenna/Stephen's Canon Rebel XT instead of the resized EXIF stripped versions.

If this has been thrashed out, my apologies.


The resolution on the Steven photos is 2496x1664 which is the medium setting for the Canon Rebel XT. So I'm assuming those are the full size pics but the exif is missing.
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« Reply #572 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:58am »

on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:14am, Latitude wrote:
The resolution on the Steven photos is 2496x1664 which is the medium setting for the Canon Rebel XT. So I'm assuming those are the full size pics but the exif is missing.


Here is a comment from the Canon DSLR forums regarding that resolution and file size question.

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Anyway, if this is what it is claimed to be then it was taken with a Canon Rebel XT (aka 350D). Good. We can work with that.

The data attached to the photo in that album state that it is a JPEG measuring 2496x1664 pixels. That is exactly the size that an XT/350D produces when set to Medium resolution (page 52 of the XT/350D manual). However, the file size should normally be about 2.0MB for Medium Fine or 1.0MB for Medium Normal (page 53 of the manual); this image is actually only 628KB. And, disappointingly, the image contains no EXIF data.

So if this is genuine then what we are seeing here is certainly not the original image. The size is right, but it appears to have been compressed and it has definitely had the EXIF data stripped. So where is the original? Why hasn't Stephen been encouraged to post that?

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« Reply #573 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:31am »

on Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:58am, Xeroid wrote:
Here is a comment from the Canon DSLR forums regarding that resolution and file size question.

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Anyway, if this is what it is claimed to be then it was taken with a Canon Rebel XT (aka 350D). Good. We can work with that.

The data attached to the photo in that album state that it is a JPEG measuring 2496x1664 pixels. That is exactly the size that an XT/350D produces when set to Medium resolution (page 52 of the XT/350D manual). However, the file size should normally be about 2.0MB for Medium Fine or 1.0MB for Medium Normal (page 53 of the manual); this image is actually only 628KB. And, disappointingly, the image contains no EXIF data.

So if this is genuine then what we are seeing here is certainly not the original image. The size is right, but it appears to have been compressed and it has definitely had the EXIF data stripped. So where is the original? Why hasn't Stephen been encouraged to post that?

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Yes. The compression setting would determine file size. My Fuji camera has three compression settings. So does the Rebel. The 0.6 MB is exactly the size for a Rebel at low res setting. Looks like Steven's camera was set on Basic jpeg compression for the maximum number of pictures capability.
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« Reply #574 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:56am »

I must have missed this somehow....

http://www.ufocasebook.com/unmannedprobeanalysis.html

It is interesting.
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« Reply #575 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59am »

below here is the email sent in to UFO Casebook from Jenna -- I am wondering if she would still provide copies of their discussion from the photography grouphuh
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(I found a number of email addresses and was not sure which you checked most, so I just played it safe and sent to all of them. I hope this is okay.

My name is Jenna and I participate in a listserv for photographers in Saratoga, CA. Today a member named Stephen posted some pictures he took yesterday (the 5th) for a class assignment in the area around Big Basin. The pictures very clearly depict some kind of large object in the sky, and he was able to get two clear shots and one out-of-focus shot before it apparently disappeared. I recognized certain details on this object immediately because a friend had sent me your About.com article on different UFOs that have appeared recently with a similar appearance.

Now, I should mention that this is a private listserv for a very close-knit group. I have met almost everyone that participates in person and I have met Stephen in particular many times, so I take his word seriously.

We have been discussing it for the last couple of hours and I suggested we start by sending pictures to your web site since you clearly have some familiarity with this situation so far. Unfortunately I'm not a moderator of this listserv and can't give you access, but I can send you copies of the discussion as it develops if you would like to stay abreast. Let me know.

Stephen has given me permission to contact you with his photos and information and you may email him directly if you wish. We don't have any special need for anonymity on this matter and if you would like to post this email along with the photos you may do so. I would be interested in hearing from the other photographers of this kind of craft in particular and seeing what this is all about! The following is his first listserv email which was sent earlier this afternoon:


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« Reply #576 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 12:55pm »

She contacted UFO Casebook, so someone should have her email...should be a simple request.
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« Reply #577 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 2:34pm »

HI all; when we get extra ,extra exspert help on the drones. the debunkers disapear and so on. NOT to mention the side winders . why . HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS WALKED UP TO YOU AND SAID I KNOW WHERE A UFO IS . DEAL WITH THE PICTURES, AND PLEASE LEAVE IT TO THE PROS. HERE IS ONE FRANK VALENTYN. WHY IS WHEN THE TRUTH IS TROWN AT US WE DUCK.MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWELS OF YOUR SOUL.RE wink
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« Reply #578 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 6:25pm »

on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:56am, castles4me wrote:
I must have missed this somehow....

http://www.ufocasebook.com/unmannedprobeanalysis.html

It is interesting.


Interesting, indeed! This is hard reading, for layman, but in a sense just an observation, and a very legitimate outlay.

We can't know for sure, that this is "IT", but as I see it, it comes pretty much closer to the truth, if one reads this in it's entirety.

I guess that this is the closest thing we all somehow expected it to be, evidence that this is real, contact of the third kind. (in this case showing evidence of ET Technology)

When I learned that there were significant similarities to the TY BB Photo's, and the "linguistic Primers" provided by "Isaac", I knew this had substance.

I can only say, it's now more than likely, that this link is valid.

Just my humble opinion, and as said before - we can only watch, as things unfold.

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« Reply #579 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 9:15pm »

on Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59am, castles4me wrote:
below here is the email sent in to UFO Casebook from Jenna -- I am wondering if she would still provide copies of their discussion from the photography grouphuh




That's very interesting and encouraging.

So someone in here can send an email to Jenna or Stephen with a very simple request. Can casebook please have the three images again but this time without the EXIF data stripped out.

We don't even need the original images, even a simple image resizer program like this XP PowerToy (10th on the list) retains EXIF data in a 800x600 100KB web image of a high res image.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

This will give my fellow POTN Canon DSLR forums members a chance to study the fingerprint of the image and as you would have seen from their comments, go a long way to establishing the images authenticity.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/ (112,000 Canon DSLR members + guests)

At this stage no EXIF = is someone trying to hide edits/modification to the images.

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« Reply #580 on: Aug 3rd, 2007, 11:59pm »

on Aug 2nd, 2007, 11:49am, starsigndavid wrote:
Yes, thank you Dr. I knew I had seen something on BOTH: a fly and bird wing vehicles. You both covered my a** on that one! smiley


The other vehicle I thought of (heh, vehicle, it's a toy), is the 'dragonflyer' toy plane.... it looks like a dragonfly and its wings beat and it flies around.... it's like one of those "Air Hogs" toys or something...which, I admittedly own a few of those (not the dragonflyer), and other R/C things as well.... I'm such a kid...yes, I even bought them at "Toys 'R' Us" smiley
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« Reply #581 on: Aug 4th, 2007, 12:00am »


I used to do repair work on electro-mechanical equipment and electronics some years ago; so I sorta have a handle on what the guy's saying.

There's a certain SYMMETRY to movable parts, you know?

And these puppies AIN'T GOT IT. They're about as lopsided and ungainly as I can even imagine. It doesn't even make sense that it could spin without whirling APART, let alone, sit up in the air silently without any parts moving.

As a former repair guy, all I can say is, these look to me like a combination orange-juice squeezer and Edward Scissorhands.

Strange.

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« Reply #582 on: Aug 4th, 2007, 11:25am »

Strange is the key. They do not look like what you expect, because they are not doing what you suspect. They are not flying. They are ignoring gravity which is something humans are not capable of doing nor are they capable of being cognizant of how it is done. This is similar as to the scientific pronouncement that Bees can't fly. The Bee flies in spite of the human and with no recognition of the humans inability to understand how. In other words the Bee does not care.
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« Reply #583 on: Aug 4th, 2007, 11:36am »


If you were a bee and somebody said it was impossible for you to go about your business, would you care?

I don't think we ought to care about debunkers, either. We're just going about our business here.

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« Reply #584 on: Aug 4th, 2007, 11:39am »

Admin of OMF has had his caret items online store shut down by someone on ATS claiming he has infringed copyright. Admin has responded claiming the copyright belongs to extraterrestrials!!! wink (excellent move, Bren)

Any way, Endzone (remember him?) has setup his own drones items website and has some really cool stuff. I actually designed my own t-shirt about a week ago but Endzone's are much better.

http://www.cafepress.com/dronesin

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