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« Reply #795 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 09:18am »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.


This is old news. The zip file was made by spf33 of OMF. He upgraded Raj's flickr account so that Raj could upload the max res versions. Spf33 then zipped up all the hi res shots. Within hours the account was hacked and the images replaced with porn. Spf33 lost his $25 upgrade fee. Those sure were some fun times with Raj registering at OMF and visiting twice.
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« Reply #796 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:03am »

This tread has now 25443 views!!! grin
More then the first drone tread...
or is it true that many of the views
dissapeard from the earlier treads?

anyways, it looks like there is more
interest in the drone story now then
ever.

But I can't understand it, becouse the
good stuff is in the first treads? shocked

So keep posting grin
Maby it's time to go thru the old stuff again...??
There most be something that we have missed...
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« Reply #797 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:28am »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.

I urge anyone else who has downloaded images very early on the have a look for EXIF data.

To see the EXIF data just download the image and click properties the advance and you should see some details. I noticed if you hover your mouse in XP over the images files it does provide shooting date and time.


If there is something too the EXIF data from the pictures that you find unusual, pleas post it Xeroid grin
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« Reply #798 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:54am »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:03am, RoH wrote:
This tread has now 25443 views!!! grin
More then the first drone tread... or is it true that many of the views dissapeard from the earlier treads?


Yes RoH, the views on all of the threads when they were in the General UFO section kept defaulted back to zero time and time again.

Today the Isaac #1 thread shows 9937 views. The picture below shows you that the Isaac #1 thread on June 29th (only 3 days after this all started) had 20,000 views. This was one day after it defaulted to zero after reaching 13,000, so actually on June 29th (3 days total) it had 33,000 views. On July 4th, 8 days from the beginning, Isaac #1 defaulted back to zero again after 40,000 views. It was an ongoing problem but only affected the view count and never the post count.

I kept track the best I could by placing the actual number of views on certain posts of mine in the thread at the bottom (if you ever wonder what those little notations were) in order to keep track manually. The Isaac #1 thread today has over 250,000 views. All threads combined in the drone section have well over 800,000 views. Over 600,000 of the 800,000 views took place between June 26th to July 24th.

It was actually pretty funny because on many days, the post count was higher then the view count, which is impossible. I had assumed that everyone saw that and figured that you all knew that something was wrong with the view count.

As you can see at the following address, there wasn't really much that Conforums could do about the views. We had more serious problems too at the same time. The activity was too great, which was causing the problem.
http://support.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=help3&action=display&num=1182983648

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« Reply #799 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 12:46pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:18am, Latitude wrote:
This is old news. The zip file was made by spf33 of OMF. He upgraded Raj's flickr account so that Raj could upload the max res versions. Spf33 then zipped up all the hi res shots. Within hours the account was hacked and the images replaced with porn. Spf33 lost his $25 upgrade fee. Those sure were some fun times with Raj registering at OMF and visiting twice.


Maybe I worded my post in such a way as to make the zip file and the images my point....it was not. I have looked everywhere for EXIF data in the last few weeks with none in any photo, even the Raj examples in casebook have zero EXIF at this link, where as the older example do.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraft3.html

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« Reply #800 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 12:51pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 09:12am, Latitude wrote:
It's true that only the BB drone was seen vanishing. It was noted by both Steven and Ty. I think they both saw and photographed it simultaneously from different vantage points. The other drones were not seen vanishing but my guess is they also have the capability, only that it was not witnessed.

The big question is about why they were visible. Isaac seems to think we are messing with other alien technology which is jamming the cloak. Going by the number of reports it would indicate the decloaking was done on a intermittent but frequent basis going back years. But then maybe they decloak by themselves for some unknown reason.




Isaac says on his site:

"The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)"

In trying to understand what Isaac is saying, it is not ours, but "we" are controlling (flying) them?

We messed up and the drone became visible (I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks), well this sounds like we are flying these doesn’t it?

Isaac says:

“It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen.”

Again, isn’t Isaac saying we are flying these drones, in order for it to be “some kind of experiment?” I do not think Isaac means the aliens are experimenting with the drones. But then again, Isaac at times can be as clear as mud.

Isaac is a "difficult" read. One really has to almost read between the lines to get any real understanding. But it seems to me, this is captured alien technology being flown by "us", not "them." I just can not see an alien physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad, not without turning a few human heads. shocked

Besides, who is going to make him do it? rolleyes
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« Reply #801 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:28am, RoH wrote:
If there is something too the EXIF data from the pictures that you find unusual, pleas post it Xeroid grin


At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

File size: 180301 bytes
File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
Camera model: DiMAGE X
Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
Resolution: 800 x 600
Flash used: No
ISO equiv.: 100
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: program (auto)

That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

As it stands

PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.


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« Reply #802 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 1:45pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm, Xeroid wrote:
At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

File size: 180301 bytes
File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
Camera model: DiMAGE X
Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
Resolution: 800 x 600
Flash used: No
ISO equiv.: 100
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: program (auto)

That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

As it stands

PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.






Xeroid, two questions.

1. Is it possible to take a photo, edit the photo (add something to it) and to leave the EXIF data intact and unchanged?

2. To add EXIF data to a Jpeg that did not have it?
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« Reply #803 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 1:45pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 08:39am, Xeroid wrote:
Ok some of you (those who may recall me chasing EXIF data) are going to find this hard to believe or just plain funny. I have two computers at home, an old and new one. The new one was being repaired and I was using the old one when I first started collecting stuff on these drones. I noticed I had a zip file called Rajman1977.zip so I had a look at the pictures and there was EXIF data! It's for a Minolta Dimage X and is very limited but the picture order and time taken seem to fit together.

I have seen these images many times but not Exif data and as I write this I do recall grabbing them very early on in the proceedings, maybe even from Rajman1977 Flickr account before it closed.

I urge anyone else who has downloaded images very early on the have a look for EXIF data.

To see the EXIF data just download the image and click properties the advance and you should see some details. I noticed if you hover your mouse in XP over the images files it does provide shooting date and time.

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I will when I get home.
I'm glad you put up that series of photos, they are by far the best of the Drone Series. Since there is never any talk about them I guess it's a given that it's real. Big Basin has got nothing on those, but we really need to know where they were taken, what street, town, ect. They deem more research into their origin.
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« Reply #804 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 1:53pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm, Xeroid wrote:
At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

File size: 180301 bytes
File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
Camera model: DiMAGE X
Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
Resolution: 800 x 600
Flash used: No
ISO equiv.: 100
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: program (auto)

That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

As it stands

PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.


Ok, so he took all the pictures in 3,26 min, not bad, does it fit with the story? Rajmen said he had to struggle to get the pictures...

I was thinking, is it possible to take all the pictures in that time frame? 34.3 sec. per picture!

And the pictures you posted from Rajmen, Xeroid! is that the correct order?

Edit: corrected the times!

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« Reply #805 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 2:03pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 12:51pm, Marvin wrote:
Isaac says on his site:

"The technology itself isn't ours, or at least it wasn't in the 80's. Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not). Think of it like a stray bullet. You can be hit by one at any time, without warning, and even the shooter didn't intent to hit you. I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks, I'd be willing to guess how he got there. (I kid, of course, as I certainly hope that hasn't actually happened in this case)"

In trying to understand what Isaac is saying, it is not ours, but "we" are controlling them?

We messed up and the drone became visible (I can assure you heads are rolling over this as well. If anyone notices a brilliant but sloppy physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad in the next couple weeks), well this sounds like we are flying these doesn’t it?

Isaac says:

“It's no surprise that these sightings are all taking place in California, and especially the Saratoga/South Bay area. Not far from Saratoga is Mountain View/Sunnyvale, home to Moffett Field and the NASA Ames Research center. Again, I'd be willing to bet just about anything that the device capable of hijacking the cloaking of these nearby craft was inadvertently triggered, probably during some kind of experiment, at the exact moment they were being seen.”

Again, isn’t Isaac saying we are flying these drones, in order for it to be “some kind of experiment?” I do not think Isaac means the aliens are experimenting with the drones. But then again, Isaac at times can be as clear as mud.

Isaac is a "difficult" read. One really has to almost read between the lines to get any real understanding. But it seems to me, this is captured alien technology being flown by "us", not "them." I just can not see an alien physicist patrolling the streets of Baghdad, not without turning a few human heads. shocked

Besides, who is going to make him do it? rolleyes


No worry Marvin. I'll be glad to help you out.

Isaac is not saying we are flying the drones. He's saying that we likely have a jamming device located in the area of the drone sighting that was either given to us by ETs or was made by us using ET technology. The physicist who would be seen patrolling the streets of Bagdad would be the guy who accidentally switched the jamming device on allowing many UFOs to be seen that day. Isaac was half joking by saying the guy would be sent to Baghdad as a punishment for his screw up.

Remember the decloaking was only on for a few minutes and was switched on and off and on again. It's not hard to imagine some government scientists activating this device and not fully aware of the consequences. They are damn lucky they didn't cause a crash, especially Ty and his gang. They likely would be in Guantanamo now.
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« Reply #806 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 2:06pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:53pm, RoH wrote:
Ok, so he took all the pictures in 37 seconds, not bad, does it fit with the story? Raj man said he had to struggle to get the pictures...

I was thinking, is it possible to take all the pictures in that time frame? 6.16 seconds per picture!

And the pictures you posted from Raj man, Xeroid! is that the correct order?



Roh, check your math. Looks to me that the pics were taken over a space of 3 minutes and 26 seconds.
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« Reply #807 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 2:09pm »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:06pm, Latitude wrote:
Roh, check your math. Looks to me that the pics were taken over a space of 3 minutes and 26 seconds.


Yeah, I saw it, and have corrected it, to fast on the trigger there, sorry grin

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on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:03pm, Latitude wrote:
No worry Marvin. I'll be glad to help you out.

Isaac is not saying we are flying the drones. He's saying that we likely have a jamming device located in the area of the drone sighting that was either given to us by ETs or was made by us using ET technology. The physicist who would be seen patrolling the streets of Bagdad would be the guy who accidentally switched the jamming device on allowing many UFOs to be seen that day. Isaac was half joking by saying the guy would be sent to Baghdad as a punishment for his screw up.

Remember the decloaking was only on for a few minutes and was switched on and off and on again. It's not hard to imagine some government scientists activating this device and not fully aware of the consequences. They are xxxx lucky they didn't cause a crash, especially Ty and his gang. They likely would be in Guantanamo now.


Could this be the same jamming device that the govt is going to start testing in Iraq.... Read the Cnn Article....


http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/08/13/cied.jamming.tech/index.html

maybe they tested it in the area where the drone where sited before taking the tech over to Iraq... just another thing to ponder on....
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on Aug 13th, 2007, 2:34pm, want2bleive wrote:
Could this be the same jamming device that the govt is going to start testing in Iraq....


I guess we'll find out if there is a flap of drone sightings across Bagdad. grin
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