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« Reply #855 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 07:22am »

on Aug 13th, 2007, 1:31pm, Xeroid wrote:
At this stage its pretty lean data and does not strenghten the case at all really:

File size: 180301 bytes
File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
Camera model: DiMAGE X
Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
Resolution: 800 x 600
Flash used: No
ISO equiv.: 100
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: program (auto)

That said, the file names PICT0013.jpeg to PICT0018.jpeg commenced shooting at 5.41pm and finished at 5.44pm on the 16th of May 2007. Hardly compelling but does add up ok. The critical info of aperture/shutter speed and focal length are all missing. I went here and found a sample image from the Minolta Dimage X and it did contain aperture, shutter speed and exposure compensation.

As it stands

PICT0013 taken at 5:41 and 11 seconds
PICT0014 taken at 5:41 and 34 seconds
PICT0015 taken at 5.42 and 17 seconds
PICT0016 taken at 5:42 and 58 seconds
PICT0017 taken at 5:43 and 02 seconds
PICT0018 taken at 5:44 and 37 seconds

Once again if hoaxed they covered off the basics by removing key details and making sure the timing of the snaps still stacks up.



APOLOGY- WRONG DATA POSTED.

I found it tricky to find a program on my PC that I could copy & paste EXIF data and I can't remember what I used the other day, some obscure bloody thing. I noticed that the resolution shows 600x800 (correct for resize that I did for web but incorrect re EXIF data for image) The image size is also the web image and not the actual image posted. Ahhhh...just remembered where I got the half truth info from as I edit this post for the third time:

Culprit was Photobuckets EXIF data button:

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To clear things up I have installed screenprint 2000 so I can screen capture and post here.

This is the XP image file /properties/summary screen:

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As you can see it correctly states 1600 x 1200. You may notice that it does not state the seconds just the minutes, I managed to extract that from my Canon DSLR software:

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« Reply #856 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 07:52am »

on Aug 14th, 2007, 06:10am, RoH wrote:
Minolta Dimage X Digital Camera 2002
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Image Capacity vs Resolution/Quality

Full Resolution: 1600x1200

Super Fine: 5.7 MB
Fine: 1.3 MB
Normal: 0,615 MB
Economy: 0,320 MB

From the EXIF data that Xeroid posted:

Name: PICT0016

File size: 180301 bytes WRONG DATA BY XEROID

File date: 2007:08:13 07:20:28
Camera make: MINOLTA CO.,LTD
Camera model: DiMAGE X
Date/Time: 2007:05:16 17:42:58
Resolution: 800 x 600 WRONG DATA BY XEROID


Flash used: No
ISO equiv.: 100
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: program (auto)


* Too low File size 0,18 MB??
* Too low Resolution?? I thought it was 1600 x 1200!!! confused...

WELL SPOTTED ON BOTH POINTS

Timeline:

PICT0013 5:41:11
PICT0014 5:41:34
PICT0015 5.42:17
PICT0016 5:42:58
PICT0017 5:43:02
PICT0018 5:44:37


Total time: 3,26 min
Shortes time between pictures: 4 sec.

If this is true, he took all the pictures we have seen, in a row!!! shocked
Xeroid, are this the orignal picture code (Picture COUNTER) from that camera? PICT0013
Rejmen1977 said that the memory card was almost full, about 12 pictures left!!! confused...

I think this was explained already that each session you download images you can resart the file name/number count and even select only several images for dowload leaving the rest on the camera. (Dinner @ parents stuff) Oh, and yes it seems he took them all in a row and dowloaded in a row as well


The story of Rajinder Satyanarayana and the 12 pictures:



The story:



Pictures: Unknown (maybe 1-2)
Time: Unknown (around 5:40:00)




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Pictures: 2-3, (2 uploaded)
Time: 5:41:11-5:41:34




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Pictures: 3, (3 uploaded)
Time: 5:42:17-5:42:58-5:43:02 (4 seconds between the last two, indicating the speed of the drone)




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Pictures: 3-4, (1 uploaded)
Time: 5:44:37




Rajmen1977 posts from the OM forum.





Say Rajmen had 6 min (5:40:00-5:46:00) too take all 12 pictures... he got 30 seconds on each more or less,
and remember he was trying to make each shot count.

He did a good job! grin

But the EXIF data Xeroid posted are confusing, it don't ad up undecided Xeroid, is this EXIF data from the original pictures?
The resolution is wrong. someone must have down-sized the original pictures then.

And the count numbers on the pictures don't ad up with the story.


All answered now, yes there was errors but resolved now and in summary my original post with dates and times stands. The 4 second gap between PICT0016 & PICT0017 matches up perfectly or was edited/hoaxed perfectly as the drone has only moved a small distance near the telephone pole
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« Reply #857 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 08:09am »

on Aug 14th, 2007, 10:16am, Marvin wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong...

Image Sizes for this camera are (image resolution): 1,600 x 1,200, 1,280 x 960, or 640 x 480 pixels.

There does not appear to be a setting for 800x600 on this camera as you can see here...

Xeroid - Sorry, again one little error in the data and confusion abounds.


http://ca.konicaminolta.com/products/consumer/digital_camera/dimage/dimage-x/page_spec.html

But as I play with this: if I take a photo, crop it and resize it, the reported size will change with it. embarassed cry



Xeroid - I can advise that in most instances a resized image either via cropping or resize tool will show the new dimentions but retains all other original EXIF data.
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« Reply #858 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 08:37am »

on Aug 14th, 2007, 10:26pm, MarkM wrote:
It's about more than just the drones, or the Haitian fiasco, or this hoax or that one, it's about believing that there is much more to this universe than what meets the eye. It's about continuing to hope for contact with something that will unite us with the cosmos, and in so doing help us to realize that we are part of something greater. Has anyone looked at the photos from the Hubble telescope and not been absolutely awestruck? Imagine being able to include such wonders in your every day life, imagine that this is even possible.



For me, it is not a matter of belief. It is knowledge. I too have had an experience. I have seen things with my own eyes, but I did not have camera with me. cry So it is not belief or faith, it is a fact.

With the drones, I am in the hopeful category. smiley

If Isaac is an engineer, he is not communicating clearly, concisely and accurately on his site as someone would expect an engineer or scientist to do. He rambles and jumps around a lot. The documents are puzzling too. It does not seem to have written by an engineer or scientist. It does not read like a technical report. I have read technical reports, sometimes rereading one many times and I was left wondering if it was really written in English. I can hand this to my fifth grader and he can basically understand it. That’s scary in itself. For me, if Isaac is for real, he needs to back up what he is saying with more proof. Let’s all hope that Isaac comes though for us. wink

As with the Haitian fiasco, someone put a lot of time, effort, detail and probably money into making this video. If you surf You Tube, there are hundreds more of these “fakes” out there. This is the reason I do not believe everything I see and hear. These things just cause confusion, especially for “hard core believers.” There are people out there ready to deceive us. I do not know why they do it, I do know how far they are willing to go or what they are willing to spend to do it. The reality is, they are doing it. angry It is just sad. embarassed I am not a disbeliever, but I am not excepting everything on faith. Because of the deceptions, just call me cautious.

But if only one of the drone photos is real, that is all we really need. smiley
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« Reply #859 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 08:46am »

So, Xeriod to summarize then because there was some conflicting/confusing info regarding this topic. The EXIF data does lend creditability to Raj's story because of the following:
1. EXIF data matches the capabilities of the camera used.
2. Time stamp on each photo is in the correct sequence and correlates to his story.
3. Athough possible, difficult to create a complete set of EXIF data to match set of hoaxed photos.

Did I forget anything?

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« Reply #860 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 08:49am »

on Aug 14th, 2007, 9:20pm, castles4me wrote:
I think we will have more sightings. The same technology that decloaked them once can make it happen again!
Whether Isaac sends any more stuff or not.


I agree w/ you. I think we will see alot more...... when testing and you stumble across something unexpected you investigate to see if you can recreate the same results. It has to be confirmed. I think this will be the year for Full Disclosure and in a big way.

Let's face it, if real it's not out to get us and I think as a whole we are saying this "We're ready".

Now all someone has to do is flip the switch.

"Adam & Eve" could not see, their eyes were closed, then they were opened.



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« Reply #861 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:00am »

You know.... I was thinking. (yes, I know... scarry!)

What we have determined so far is.....

  • The drones are alien.

  • We are backengineering their technology for commercial applications.

  • We decloaked them accidentally by using this "device" we have experimented with in the past


OK -- what we have also learned by all of the witness sightings and testimonies is that:

The sightings always occured near Air Force Bases and/or on National Park land. (BOTH Government owned properties)

So...... my question is this. Are we (U.S. Gov.) allowing these drones to occupy space on government owned property? If so, this must mean we are in contact with this particular race.

What do you think about that?
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« Reply #862 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:07am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 06:10am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
When ET is ready, that's simply all they have to do. Then they'll sit back and watch reaction for a while and then take it from there.


Absolutely. I think that those who are waiting for the government are barking up the wrong tree. In the long run, our time might be better spent preparing ourselves and others for the events after disclosure.
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« Reply #863 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:34am »

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Here's the silver lining IMHO - the number of members here has risen sharply - all the Spring "newbies" are now veterans! The more people that come out of the closet as either "believers" or "hopefulls" the more other people will be encouraged to do the same


We’ve always been out here, you know. Actually, I found UFO Casebook first, then found out about the drones.

The one Youtube video I like the most was those 2 guys out camping, videoing their campsite, their dog, stumbling around, slurring their words cause they have obviously been partying for awhile.

Then he turns back to film their entire campsite and there above in the background is what looks to be a drone whirling about. I mean, that guy is flabbergasted..all he and his buddy can do is yell…”Dude!”….and chosen obscenities. The other guy is trying to operate a camera, but he is stumbling around drunkenly.

I don’t think that one is fake.

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« Reply #864 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:35am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 08:37am, Marvin wrote:
If Isaac is an engineer, he is not communicating clearly, concisely and accurately on his site as someone would expect an engineer or scientist to do.

I thought the exact opposite. His words were in an email to Coast to Coast, which he then placed in the website. This was essentially a conversation where he was explaining to them his position at PACL with CARET. He didn't assemble that necessarily for us but consequently he posted it along with his pictures, the report and linguistic primers.

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It does not read like a technical report.

I would give my right arm to have what was in our house in my dad's filing cabinet. He had reports just like the one Isaac presented because he was a contractor for Douglas, Boeing, Hughes, etc. He received very similar reports often on something he might be working on, which would have been for Apollo and he was a pack rat and had all of that stuff still in his filing cabinet until 2003 when both parents passed away and my sister threw it all out.

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As with the Haitian fiasco, someone put a lot of time, effort, detail and probably money into making this video. If you surf You Tube, there are hundreds more of these “fakes” out there.

Maybe you didn't know this or recognize it but the CGI's on the drones came after the drones, not before. Saladfinger's drone came out on May 24th, which was 19 days after the Chad drone. Nobody copied a drone on CGI by trying to match the drone until that particular drone came out first. Once again, saladfingers didn't do a CGI Big Basin drone until the June 19th but the original two Big Basin drones were reported on June 5th. The 14th drone was on the 29th of July.

I say saladfingers because all of the rest of the CGI copies are really bogus and he's the only one of the bunch that had something worth looking at.

Do you notice that absolutely nobody has come up yet with anything anywhere close to duplicating a drone without having smooth finishes and a bit of that cartoon affect? CGI sticks out like a sore thumb. I still can't figure out why people are watching the Haiti and Dominican Republic CGI for the same reason.
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« Reply #865 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:38am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 09:34am, Raf wrote:
The one Youtube video I like the most was those 2 guys out camping, videoing their campsite, their dog, stumbling around, slurring their words cause they have obviously been partying for awhile.

Then he turns back to film their entire campsite and there above in the background is what looks to be a drone whirling about. I mean, that guy is flabbergasted..all he and his buddy can do is yell…”Dude!”….and chosen obscenities. The other guy is trying to operate a camera, but he is stumbling around drunkenly.

I don’t think that one is fake.

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Can you supply the link?
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« Reply #866 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:38am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 09:34am, Raf wrote:
I don’t think that one is fake.


Raf, do you have a link to that video?
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« Reply #867 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 09:41am »

DrDil has that one with the two guys camping out in the motor home. There is a discrepancy with the UFO in relationship to the trees. DrDil can explain it better.
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« Reply #868 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 10:10am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 08:46am, drewlac wrote:
So, Xeriod to summarize then because there was some conflicting/confusing info regarding this topic. The EXIF data does lend creditability to Raj's story because of the following:
1. EXIF data matches the capabilities of the camera used.
2. Time stamp on each photo is in the correct sequence and correlates to his story.
3. Athough possible, difficult to create a complete set of EXIF data to match set of hoaxed photos.

Did I forget anything?



That sum's it up pretty well and I concur on those points. Be interesting to check sun position = shadow = time of day = place taken.....nah too hard.

But due to the images "stacking up" to some degree it encouraged me to use my basic photoshop skills to tidy up Raj's PICT0016 and crop the linguistics and compare with PACL linguistics pg122.

Very interesting results indeed, I like to hear what you guys think?

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Once again if this is someone having fun with us, they have gone to some trouble...understatment of the day!

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« Reply #869 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 10:29am »

on Aug 15th, 2007, 10:10am, Xeroid wrote:
That sum's it up pretty well and I concur on those points. Be interesting to check sun position = shadow = time of day = place taken.....nah too hard.

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Sun is about Altitude=16.5, Azimuth=270, on the day and time the picture was taken wink

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