Board Logo
« #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Jun 27th, 2017, 09:03am


Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

*Totally FREE 24/7 Access *Your Nickname and Avatar *Private Messages

*Join today and be a part of one of the largest UFO sites on the Net.


« Previous Topic | Next Topic »
Pages: 1 ... 79 80 81 82 83  ...  103 Notify Send Topic Print
 sticky  Author  Topic: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH  (Read 117064 times)
danblast
Junior Member
ImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 36
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1200 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:07am »

User Image

And yet another one, check out the witness saying about the 'chinese like writing on the belly'

http://www.ufoevidence.org/sightings/report.asp?ID=7358
User IP Logged

murnut
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 614
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1201 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:12am »

While salads music video is a truly beautiful piece or art, that I enjoyed, i dont feel that helps the cause at all. At best it clouds the issue, at worst it is pure mass disinfo/debunking, from a known skeptic of this case.

Myself and Salad have conversed many times, in regards to this issue, he knows how I feel and that I am not alone.

We in this community know what it is, but the public at large will not be as astute.

A short message explaining the inspiration behind the video would have for me anyway, gone a long way, to promote further advances in this case.

Strange how disclaimers and explanations always seem to be missing from his work. A simple request at the end of the video, for anyone that had seen something similar to the drone would have been prudent as far as I am concerned.

Of course he had every right to do what he has done.

I believe it is fair to question Salad's motivation's about this.

As near as I can tell, he seems to be the only one who has benefited from this case. Even if it is just the benefit of notarity

Knowingly or unknowingly, I feel he has pushed his agenda of self promotion to the detriment of the drone case.

Salad seems like a nice guy, I like him personally but he has made himself a target, of the people who despise the debunking/dis-info agents. These agents, usually remain in the shadows, while Kris in the light of day

I am trying to be objective about the video, but I do have my concerns.

I dont claim to be right about this, maybe I am wrong.

I am annoyed that I personally expressed these concerns with Kris, time and time again, and he tells me he understands my concerns. I have not been the only one to express these concerns to him. It would have been nice to see some manifestation of these concerns in the video.

How hard would it have been really?

His actions , speak much louder than his words to me.

This just my opinion.

Andy
User IP Logged

You want a revolution?
You've got to make a difference on your own
You want a revolution?
Stand up, stand out and make it known
Razor
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1202 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:30am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:12am, murnut wrote:
While salads music video is a truly beautiful piece or art, that I enjoyed, i dont feel that helps the cause at all. At best it clouds the issue, at worst it is pure mass disinfo/debunking, from a known skeptic of this case.

Myself and Salad have conversed many times, in regards to this issue, he knows how I feel and that I am not alone.
We in this community know what it is, but the public at large will not be as astute.

A short message explaining the inspiration behind the video would have for me anyway, gone a long way, to promote further advances in this case.

Strange how disclaimers and explanations always seem to be missing from his work. A simple request at the end of the video, for anyone that had seen something similar to the drone would have been prudent as far as I am concerned.

Of course he had every right to do what he has done.

I believe it is fair to question Salad's motivation's about this.

As near as I can tell, he seems to be the only one who has benefited from this case. Even if it is just the benefit of notarity

Knowingly or unknowingly, I feel he has pushed his agenda of self promotion to the detriment of the drone case.

Salad seems like a nice guy, I like him personally but he has made himself a target, of the people who despise the debunking/dis-info agents. These agents, usually remain in the shadows, while Kris in the light of day

I am trying to be objective about the video, but I do have my concerns.

I dont claim to be right about this, maybe I am wrong.

I am annoyed that I personally expressed these concerns with Kris, time and time again, and he tells me he understands my concerns. I have not been the only one to express these concerns to him. It would have been nice to see some manifestation of these concerns in the video.

How hard would it have been really?

His actions , speak much louder than his words to me.

This just my opinion.

Andy


Hi Murnut,
I agree I think he hurt the cause but I would have liked to hear what he had to say.
It is very disappointing to me that he gave up and quit but I think people where not playing nicely so I dont blame him. I dont see anything constructive on the other websites so I dont bother with trying to follow him otherwise on those. But if there is anything you can do to help keep this one to be constructive please continue to do so. I think it is a very interesting subject.
« Last Edit: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:36am by Razor » User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1203 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:40am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:30am, Razor wrote:
Hi Murnut,
I agree I think he hurt the cause but I would have liked to hear what he had to say.
It is very disappointing to me that he gave up and quit but I think people where not playing nicely so I dont blame him. I dont see anything constructive on the other websites so I dont bother with trying to follow him otherwise on those. But if there is anything you can do to help keep this one to be constructive please continue to do so. I think it is a very interesting subject.


Here's Kris's (latest) reply to Murnut on OMF.

Quote:
Murnut..

I think the real problem I have, is that I am judged by the drone case alone. It is a big case, no doubt, and a potentially important one. But I think opinion of me is tainted, in that some see me as being a debunker .. full stop. I'm really not. The drone case, I have some problems with, I can't pretend otherwise.. but that isn't how I feel about a lot of other cases out there.
If I was a debunker, I'd be jumping on every UFO case out there and saying ever photo ever produced is CG or something. I would never do that in a million years.
Maybe like the drones, only time can explain me too.

There are so many UFO cases out there, and every one is unique. Some I believe, and some I don't. Each on its own merit. I just feel that, even though the drone case has some exceptional images and documents, it doesn't make it guaranteed real. It is no more safe for the strength of its presented evidence than any other sighting.

You say believers are seen as clowns... well i don't think that, but through personal experience, i know what you mean. I find it sad when people are so scared to believe in the possibility.. and reality of life from other worlds visiting this planet.

To quote the film Contact... If there isn't life out there, then it is a real waste of space.

Anyway, I'm not so far removed from your view point Murnut, but I think first impressions are skewed because of our stand points on this case.. which is the first you have ever heard from me.
If you saw my collection of books and magazines on the subject, i think you would know I am far from a debunker, or a total outsider. i have been interested in UFOs since I was 5 years old.

My dad had a great book (which i want to find!) that was like an encyclopedia of all UFOs in pictures. Line drawings cataloging all of the big sightings. Not massive amounts of info.. but more of a guide to what type of UFO you are looking at if you see one.
I think at that age, with that type of book I pretty much took it as red that they were real. That opinion never changed to this day.

Anyway.. i should be sleeping, not reminiscing! Keep cool, and thanks for the reply M.

Kris

User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
LangLee
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1204 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:47am »

It really should have some sort of disclaimer stating that some of the images are created based on eyewitness and photographic evidence. That the scenes created are not based on eyewitness testimony.If that wasn't done then I can only guess at his intentions.
I won't air them here either.








User IP Logged

jugement
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 910
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1205 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:48am »

on Sep 9th, 2007, 6:04pm, jugement wrote:
hi all;on the language. has any one find anything new?I dont think that could be hoaxs.has any one checked some of the first languages?ugaric,chaldean,syretic,accadian,phoenician,aramic,hebrew,ashuric,arabic,sumerian,ghe'ez,amharic,farsi(persian).all coming from a language brought to this planet earth by(ET). I told you all that from my dreams the drones will cause a lot of confusion and that their may not be any conclusion one way or another. wink
I think that ,(katakana only have a small comparisom to the oldest first language .Sumerian language was brought down to earth, which (katakana and all the other languages came from the above languages.so if any one can read some of the oldest language they will read the drone symbols. wink
« Last Edit: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:55am by jugement » User IP Logged

Free Will Does Exist But Only When It Is Used To Break Out Of Malevolent Disagreeable ,Bad HABits THat Have Been Developed IN LIFE.
LangLee
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1206 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:52am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:40am, DrDil wrote:
Here's Kris's (latest) reply to Murnut on OMF.




It seems that his biggest problem with the Drones is that he can't stay away from them.
If he has a problem with them why is he devoting so much time to them ?
His explanation floats like a rock.
User IP Logged

Razor
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1207 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:52am »

Thanks DrDill for your post that explains a lot concerning this guy Steve. I just dont pay any attention to this outside this forum cause all that bogus I do this and you do that conversation is quite distracting to the case.

Langlee Thanks for your post also it is good input for people.
User IP Logged

murnut
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 614
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1208 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:55am »

Quote:
I agree I think he hurt the cause but I would have liked to hear what he had to say.
It is very disappointing to me that he gave up and quit but I think people where not playing nicely so I dont blame him.


I dont blame him for quitting here either. Some were not nice to him, but I think they were not nice out of frustration for the lack of respect to concerns that were pointed out over and over again.

At one point I even posted that he should have been banned here, and I regret that post of mine.

I was wrong and I apologize to Kris and the other members here for that.

I dont want to believe there is any malice inside of Kris at all.

Either he does not care about these concerns, or they are honest omissions.

I have been there since the beginning and I have seen and read every single one of his posts.

There is no question he believes that the drone case is a hoax, a cgi hoax to be sure.

He is entitled to his opinion for sure, and maybe it is a hoax, I dont know.

But when a known(to me and others) skeptic's video recreation are plastered all over the internet without being labeled as such, it definitely annoys me.

His claims of ignorance or innocence when it comes to these concerns, is wearing a bit thin with me.

Again, this is just my opinion
User IP Logged

You want a revolution?
You've got to make a difference on your own
You want a revolution?
Stand up, stand out and make it known
LangLee
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1209 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 09:58am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:48am, jugement wrote:
I think that ,(katakana only have a small comparisom to the oldest first language .Sumerian language was brought down to earth, which (katakana and all the other languages came from the above languages. wink


Perhaps looking for simlarities between the characters and symbols for elements ancient or current would shed some light on the lingo.
This language effects what it is written on, so looking for it on paper or a rock just isn't the same thing. You may have to look for similarities based on the element it has to effect in order to do what it has to do.
Just a thought.
User IP Logged

MarkM
New Member
Image


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 3
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1210 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 10:03am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:47am, LangLee wrote:
It really should have some sort of disclaimer stating that some of the images are created based on eyewitness and photographic evidence.


LangLee, I agree that would be an appreciated addition. I thought about that a lot yesterday. There's no lead in to the video, or set up that presents the subject one way or the other so I'm not sure - from a purely creative and editing point of view - where that would come in. Perhaps a roll over at the beginning or the end like, 'What you are about to see is a recreation of events reported by eyewitness regarding strange craft spotted in the skies over California during the summer of 2008. Some of the elements portrayed are speculative in nature."

I think the goal was to create a sense of drama and mystery, which it did quite well. I honestly don't think this was produced from a documentary perspective, hence such an inclusion wasn't in the forefront. I hear you, Lang and agree, I just don't attach any sinister motive to it smiley.
User IP Logged

Razor
Guest
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1211 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 10:05am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:48am, jugement wrote:
I think that ,(katakana only have a small comparisom to the oldest first language .Sumerian language was brought down to earth, which (katakana and all the other languages came from the above languages.so if any one can read some of the oldest language they will read the drone symbols. wink


JudgeMent I have contact with a Linguistics Professional , And it is my understanding will try to help us decipher the primer but it is a busy person and My talking with them is a little limited. I am feeding her or he I cant tell from the name which, it is foreign to me, information from you guys as this person is not interested in the UFO subject.
User IP Logged

jugement
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 910
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1212 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 10:10am »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:58am, LangLee wrote:
Perhaps looking for simlarities between the characters and symbols for elements ancient or current would shed some light on the lingo.
This language effects what it is written on, so looking for it on paper or a rock just isn't the same thing. You may have to look for similarities based on the element it has to effect in order to do what it has to do.
Just a thought.
just my thought,saying that what can be read or identified by whom ever that is a expert in acient languages could tell the story of the drones,which is where Isaac comes back in. when you put all the acient languages together with all the new written you will notice whence they came ,and how they all have been broken off from the first,for example chinease, japanase, hebrew, aramic,ect. you see.
User IP Logged

Free Will Does Exist But Only When It Is Used To Break Out Of Malevolent Disagreeable ,Bad HABits THat Have Been Developed IN LIFE.
jugement
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 910
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1213 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 10:13am »

oh and by the way I left the D out of jugement on purpose. grin
User IP Logged

Free Will Does Exist But Only When It Is Used To Break Out Of Malevolent Disagreeable ,Bad HABits THat Have Been Developed IN LIFE.
murnut
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 614
xx Re: #5 THE DRONE ENIGMA A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR THE TR
« Reply #1214 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 10:22am »

Salads reply to concerns


Quote:
Well, I've updated the youtube versions info...

________
Music video of "Strange craft" by DRONE. (http://www.myspace.com/droneonline)
Video done by Kris Avery. (http://www.kaptive.co.uk)
Samples taken from the earthfiles podcasts by Linda Moulton Howe. (http://www.earthfiles.com)
Download the full high quality DivX version here!!!
http://www.divshare.com/download/2148905-d71

To discuss this important case, please visit http://www.openmindsforum.com/ and click on the "enter the OM forum" button in the menu! If you have seen one of these things for real, then get in touch now!!!


To see the source of the designs and the original information on the primer, please visit http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ >>>An amazing read!!!
_________________

I can't go back and re-edit the titles really. It was such a huge mess about trying to get it all together first time. I think adding the details to the information where ever it is posted would be a great idea though. Nekitamo? Could you do the same on the Stage6 version please? smiley

I think perhaps, if someone wants to get involved, we could make a very decent documentary about this case. Compile all of the information, but further than that, actually discuss some of the very interesting ideas behind the possibilities of the case, and how the information can be interpreted. I could work up some new animations (which would be clearly marked and stated in the voice over as being just that) and try and express these ideas in a visual way.

Such a video would draw a line between the original evidence, and the 3D mock ups. Now if we could get a documentary like that out there, then surely that would do some good?

There is certainly no time limit on getting it done, so it might take a few months. But if it is felt it would be worth it, then I'm game. It could be an OpenMinds production or something.
I really do think all the angles and information needs to be compounded into something tangible. With so many different strands of study, it is extremely hard for anyone new to come into this case and do a quick catch up. It would need to be balanced, with the subject of hoax/real having its own chapter, and the reasoning behind it. But the rest of the video could be open theory as to the implications, and possibilities the case represents if it were real.

What do you all think?

I understand some of the extreme critics of me, and I would agree for sure I haven't always done the right thing. But then again, who does? But I think that trying to correct a mistake is just as important.

Anyway, I've got a pretty busy day ahead, but I'll stick my head in later.

Thanks for the comments Tomi smiley formerlyclueless, endzone, magaloo endzone, everyone. Have a great afternoon!

Edit: I'll have to try and get the Isaac/fortunecity link in there later.. it won't seem to let me put it in there at the moment! : /

It keeps saying "Check your video description!" ..not sure what that means. I'll sort it later though.
Last Edit: Today at 10:44am by saladfingers


Quote:
Murnut, stop talking like i'm not here :/

I don't think it is realised how quickly I had to put this together. Even the titles took a while to do!
You have to remember that this is a music video for Drone.. the musician! It isn't a website promotional video. Earthfiles was included because of LMH lending her voice to the soundtrack.

I promised the video up by Friday, and I felt like I should have stuck with that. So I was up until 2 in the morning working like a mad man trying to get it complete. It is easy to make comments when you aren't the one doing a thing. There are a million things to do and consider. I am but one person.


My reply

Quote:
I cant help it if I was annoyed by these omissions, but I am glad you corrected it.

You do not answer to me, and I certainly would not want it that way.

I was just pointing out why some have you in their sights, rightly or wrongly

I am truly sorry to have brought this to your attention, but would you rather have it from a friend, or someone else.

I am sorry about the above post, I am not trying to hurt your feelings during your moment of Glory or should I say ascension to god-hood...hehe

I wish I had your kind of talent, I just showed the video to my wife and she was very impressed.

So am I. The issue is/was not you personally.

Look I am sorry for voicing my concerns, but I felt I had to.

You have mods and admins support and you have mine as well.

The video and the music are really very good.

The correction of these omissions goes a long way in my book

So in summary Kris, we are friends as far as I am concerned and I dont think me and you should spend any more time discussing this issue.

Agreed?





Sorry to cross post....I wont do it again

Andy
User IP Logged

You want a revolution?
You've got to make a difference on your own
You want a revolution?
Stand up, stand out and make it known
Pages: 1 ... 79 80 81 82 83  ...  103 Notify Send Topic Print
« Previous Topic | Next Topic »

Become a member of the UFO Casebook Forum today and join our more than 18,000 members.

Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

Donate $6.99 for 50,000 Ad-Free Pageviews!

| |

This forum powered for FREE by Conforums ©
Sign up for your own Free Message Board today!
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Conforums Support | Parental Controls