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« Reply #1230 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 2:52pm »

on Sep 29th, 2007, 03:06am, DrDil wrote:
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on Yesterday at 00:56:01, nekitamo wrote:Well, at least you were allowed to enter there. Here's how my registration went (Sep 18) -
And this guy has the nerve to talk about OM forum as not being open minded... what a hypocrite.

The site has been down for a couple of days or so now. undecided


Yes. I heard of at least one other person who was denied registration for dubious reasons. The forum is still down today. I wonder what happened. Could Mufon have forced him to pull the plug? It wouldn't be the first time Mufon has yanked his chain. You have to wonder how Mufon can allow one of it's field investigators to perpetuate a lying disinfo campaign against one of the most compelling UFO cases in history.
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« Reply #1231 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 2:57pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 2:42pm, alien_contactee wrote:
I was thinking the same things as yourself. It's obviously for the $$. When you have someone who is more interested in the $$ and using the customer base of UFOs and aliens, sure they'll run with it because that's a big following. That's actually a humongous following. That's the capitalist way.


I think Salad is safe because someone would have to come forward to enforce the copyright. Who would that be? Isaac? The US gov? Not likely to happen.
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« Reply #1232 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:07pm »

Laitude your statement is true after 40 years of research I have only found one genuine big name Gentleman who is interested in the people enough to try to share with them and without metioning names as I promised myself I would do. I can respectfully tell you this gentleman gave up one of his free days from work to speak with you on an unnamed Radio show so that everyone could have a chance to speak with him and paid all his expenses with his own hard earned money to do it. This is the type of UFOlogist we need to support. And when someone shows that kind of initative to help us, he has my full support and respect.
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« Reply #1233 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:10pm »

Latitude, if "Isaac" used a lawyer for posting his material as marked in the early days, I would not be so sure as you are. But, again - anything seems to go when we're talking UFO's.

Ignorance is the best way to defy the workings of the society. But not the most profitable.

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« Reply #1234 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:16pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 3:10pm, VonStern wrote:
Latitude, if "Isaac" used a lawyer for posting his material as marked in the early days, I would't be so sure as you are.
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I think it was proved beyond doubt that Mr Schwartz (lawyer) by his own admission was merely an opportunist wanting to cash in on the website property/name of, “IsaacCaret.”
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« Reply #1235 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:19pm »

DrDil, I didn't say which lawyer....it's an open question.

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« Reply #1236 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:21pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 3:19pm, VonStern wrote:
DrDil, I didn't say which lawyer....it's an open question.

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Hi VonStern.

So when you said, “used a lawyer for posting his material as marked in the early days.”

Can you remember when or where was it, “Marked” as I would like to review these markings.
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« Reply #1237 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:26pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 2:16pm, Razor wrote:
Thanks Judgement I wish I had seen that post, and beyond being inetrested in the subject I know very little about the conversations so I am actually depending on you guys to help guide me. I am trying to catch up on it all but it is very long and I often struggle to read because of other distractions I saw something of interest in some Eastern writings and became interested in the primer. I have already been advised that the symbols can possibly be totally alien and
undecipherable by Humans from someone, I consider an expert as well. But on the bright side I now have in addition to the linguistics person, who is not actually interested in the UFO subject but rather the symbols themselves, an Eastern Language's Expert has also volunteered to help me so that there are no miscommunication mistakes between me and the Liguistics expert, my communication skills are not all that great and the word translator i use , The language expert tells me my word translator sucks so hopefully I havent insulted the Linguistics expert yet ROFL. I am thrilled. This is a funny story I think but sometimes it is hard to keep everyone happy wink
Thanks Judgement


Deciphering the language on the primers or on the drones themselves I think would be like an alien civilization trying to decipher ASCII or Binary codes to see what we are saying. ASCII isn't our spoken or written language. The alien drone language IS the code, it is what executes commands in and of itself. I am not sure a language expert could help find out what it means, I think we would need computer linguistics/programmers and physics experts. -- but, it definitely would be very interesting to hear the language professional's opinion on the matter.
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« Reply #1238 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:39pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 09:07am, danblast wrote:
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And yet another one, check out the witness saying about the 'chinese like writing on the belly'

http://www.ufoevidence.org/sightings/report.asp?ID=7358


I have read both of the ones you posted dan... they are very interesting.. both could very well be our drones or something similar.
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« Reply #1239 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 3:56pm »

Well, if Isaac wants to sue for copyright infringement that would certainly force him out of the closet. Certainly nothing we've tried (open letters, using LMH as a go between, etc,) has worked.

As for Kris making money off the video, short of whatever he got from the music group - and the ones I know don't have two nickels to rub together - I don't see that. Everyone has access to the full quality video for free. If he were charging for the download my eyebrow would be raised.

Castles, as to that pole drone looking like a Leviathan creation, are you surprised?
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« Reply #1240 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 4:00pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 3:26pm, castles4me wrote:
Deciphering the language on the primers or on the drones themselves I think would be like an alien civilization trying to decipher ASCII or Binary codes to see what we are saying. ASCII isn't our spoken or written language. The alien drone language IS the code, it is what executes commands in and of itself. I am not sure a language expert could help find out what it means, I think we would need computer linguistics/programmers and physics experts. -- but, it definitely would be very interesting to hear the language professional's opinion on the matter.


It is no alphabet system; appears more similar to the frequency of integers. I've made a preliminary pass at some of the symbols, but I would need a "complete" set of symbols along with frequency of appearance, in order to pursue the idea that each symbol is a prime number, which is what I think may be true.

Just as a guess. Can any of you cgi jockeys make me a copy of the lexicon we have, as lines of [same-sized] TEXT?

In the photos I have most of the small text, is utterly undecipherable.

That would help immensely; and then I can take a crack at this, just for fun.

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« Reply #1241 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 4:14pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 2:57pm, Latitude wrote:
I think Salad is safe because someone would have to come forward to enforce the copyright. Who would that be? Isaac? The US gov? Not likely to happen.



I have to agree with you Latitude. You are 100% on target.

The first person to "violate" copyright" would have been Isaac. If anyone pursues that infringement, then maybe we will have more proof to validate what Isaac is saying.

on Sep 30th, 2007, 2:31pm, VonStern wrote:
I might not be the one to bring this up, but as I see it, this "Saladfingers" AKA Kris Avery sure has guts. By using the primers of "Isaac" comercially he's liable to copyright infringement, as stated by "Isaac" himself and I quote from his website:

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

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The appearance of these photos has convinced me to release at least some of the numerous photographs and photocopied documents I still possess some 20 years later that can explain a great deal about these sightings. On this site you will find some of these. They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free, PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL.

end qoute

Also, if using this material including the photos and the reports commercial, he sets aside the fact, that this is copyrighted by the organisation providing these documents, what would be CARET Laboratory, and their joint venturers. This could bring out the "wolf" so that could be a good thing in service of the truth.

Using the materials as "Isaac" provided in "non commercial tense" is not a violation of the stated terms, unless provided without the source given. (We can discuss it freely, but not for personal gain or corporate use).

For reference, so we know what we speak of:

http://www.freelancers.net/kaptive/profile.html



I believe Isaac’s point was that Isaac did not want the documents and photos broken up or altered in any way. I do not think that Isaac implied any ownership or copyrights on the material (which would not belong to Isaac anyway, but to CARET). I do not think that Isaac thought about people taking poetic license and using the material as “art.” Isaac was just safeguarding the integrity of the story.

Kris did not violate Isaac’s wishes. If anything, Kris is only guilty of interpretation and embellishment as we all have done during the drone story.

I do not think that Kris has attacked Isaac or the drone story with this production. It looks to me to be entertainment, not a documentary. If it fools anyone, it would make people think drones are real rather than fake. If he makes money from it, what it the big deal. He gave this video away for free to us, didn’t he? Ray Santilli was only about the money. He gave away nothing.

At least you know where Kris stands in the debate. I for one am surprised that this work is being attacked and this time, it’s pro-drone? Some of you have worked hard to convince Kris about the reality of drones, and now that he has made a pro-drone video, you are going to beat him up again for doing it?
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« Reply #1242 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 4:20pm »

Castles4 me, thank you for the vaulable input I iwll pass it to our new freind.

Shechaiyah oh Thank you also I think if we could get everyone working on this it could be easily solved at some point. Even if that solution we decide is bogus.

Come on CGI Jocks show us your value and get Shechaiyah the needed views to study.

Issac if you see the conversations come and talk with us to defend your stuff no bad intentions here I am sure just curious people looking for the ultimate truth.

Issac many of the other so called UFOlogists have allowed your stuff to become questionable by not defending it enough. I see it everywhere on the internet and I know you do too. Your power is with the people believe me.
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« Reply #1243 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 4:23pm »

on Sep 30th, 2007, 3:21pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi VonStern.

So when you said, “used a lawyer for posting his material as marked in the early days.”

Can you remember when or where was it, “Marked” as I would like to review these markings.


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Started by Latitude | Post by alien_contactee
on 07/03/2007 at 19:17:26, pvtjoker75 wrote:I agree. And i'm guessing this might be it...

The lawyer:
"Mr. Schwartz graduated with honors from Willamette University. He earned his law degree at the University of Oregon School of Law"

Source: http://www.csb-llc.com/attorney.php

The writer:
Todd Schwartz (schwartz@spiritone.com) has written deft profiles of many University alumni, among them brain scientist Mike Merzenich '64, the courtly grocer Gene Wizer '60, master nurse Joan Moye '73, surfing legend and inventor Jack O'Neill '49, and music-education visionaries Charles Lewis '94 and Michelle Boss Barba '00.
EDIT: He's an alumni of the University of Portland

Source: http://www.up.edu/portlandmag/2005_summer/ma/ma2.htm



Ok, good. So it's official we can now forget about Isaac's Todd Schwartz being the same Todd Schwartz out of Portland, OR Todd Schwartz (schwartz@spiritone.com)

Well that's done now because the attorney of record on the Go Daddy domain definitely works in Oswego and we have his university and it is not the University of Portland.

Done deal - he's only an attorney and not a brainstorming writer.

#2:Started by Latitude | Post by DrDil
on 07/03/2007 at 19:05:51, pvtjoker75 wrote:I spent all day trying to link Lawyer Schwartz to Amalgamated Schwartz and no luck. A friend has however provided me with the dns info for Amalgamated Schwartz...

Registrant Contact:
amalgamated schwartz
todd schwartz (schwartz@spiritone.com)
+1.5032450557
Fax: 555-555-5555
11721 sw 41st
portland, Oregon 97219-7462
US

A quick google mapping has those two addresses being only 4.7 miles away.

Still ZERO definitive evidence though that those two guys are the same person




And they have the same internet provider

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Started by Latitude | Post by jugement
on 07/03/2007 at 13:43:13, Atrueoriginall wrote:THIS, is the only Todd Schwartz we are looking for. So, if we can dismiss Todd Schwartz the writer based on educational experience, age, etc. then we need to do it.

Todd E. Schwartz

Mr. Schwartz has in-depth experience serving as an advocate for investment advisory firms and their investment advisor representatives. He has defended investment advisory clients in mediations, arbitrations and trials.



Mr. Schwartz has licensed investment advisory firms in Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, Ohio, Texas and other states. He has a specialized knowledge of the IARD and CRD electronic filing systems. Mr. Schwartz is a member of the Oregon State Bar.

Mr. Schwartz graduated with honors from Willamette University. He earned his law degree at the University of Oregon School of Law where he was a law review staff editor and served as chairperson for the Dean's Advisory Committee. Mr. Schwartz most recently was corporate counsel for Inteliant Corporation, a national information technology firm with over 700 employees and annual gross revenue in excess of 100 million dollars. Previously, Mr. Schwartz worked as an administrative law judge for the Oregon Employment Department and served as the Department's legislative liaison during the 1995 Oregon legislative session


just one word (ato)Jamaica

--o0o--

There was a lot of confusion going on at the time, and as I recall, no certain evidence emerged that "Isaac" DID NOT let himself represent through a lawyer.

Just my point.

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« Reply #1244 on: Sep 30th, 2007, 4:32pm »

I was just adding my 2 cent's. I wish I didn't. Believe me, I will not add to mudthrowing. But I know what I know, and that's pretty much it.

Take care, all -

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