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« Reply #180 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:05pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:13am, urantia606 wrote:
I thought I heard the entire program and that nothing was said about Isaac, drones etc.

But I could have missed something.


I heard a quick mention of it from LMH but I admit I was not focused on what she said. I only heard the first hour. Did she stay on for the second? Are there any sites that archive the shows for download?
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« Reply #181 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:47pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:05pm, Latitude wrote:
I heard a quick mention of it from LMH but I admit I was not focused on what she said. I only heard the first hour. Did she stay on for the second? Are there any sites that archive the shows for download?


Yes, Linda was on for the 2nd hour but did not say anything about the drones, etc. There may be a transcript of the show but I do not know where it is located.
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« Reply #182 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 12:49pm »

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I encourage everyone to read the Isaac letter from his website (he posted it last June). I see that Castles is reading it.

It contains a lot of information that relates to this discussion.


yeah... I am RE-reading it again...to see what jumps out at me. I didn't mean that I was reading it for the first time.

My suggestion is that everyone re-read it and post what stands out as something they hadn't thought about before, or something we haven't really discussed in detail yet.

We need to keep this topic going.

I made a few posts last night, if you all could read them and comment.
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« Reply #183 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:18pm »

I haven't posted on this thread in awhile due to burnout on the topic. But for some reason last night I started to think about it again. I hope I don't repeat what anyone else has said. But I thought I'd throw this out for debate. WHAT IF ISSAC IS A WOMAN! Think about it before you laugh. We only assume Issac is a man yet no one has met him. What if ISSAC was CASSI?

Issac claims to have carried the documents tucked in his clothing. Well a woman would be less likely to be patted down. Right? I think women would seem less likely to steal so it would be easier to pass through guards.

They are drawbacks to the theory however. It's not a field that a lot of women were in at the time. But I think that may could support it as well. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see what everone thinks. Now you can laugh! wink Dan
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« Reply #184 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:46pm »

on Sep 2nd, 2007, 8:10pm, DdP wrote:
OMF Ivo5000 said on June 10th that he got the answer via email from Rajman1977, and it was the Santa Cruz Sentinel


Hi DdP, and as always your comments are more than welcome.

The point I was trying to make was that Rajman1977 was actually still online when Shadow posted that as it was four minutes and one post after his own, and he couldn’t have failed to see it, it was also raised a couple of times after that. Yet in his second and final response he completely ignored it, i.e. “Failed to acknowledge it.”

I was aware that he answered this in an email to IVO 10 days after the question was asked, which was why I said he avoided the question.

In my opinion, the fact that he answered the first question asked a whole ten days later (and he had previously been in touch with OMF admin) would certainly constitute avoiding the question, which was all I said.

Interestingly, he also appeared to answer this with no further prompting.

(Keep up the good work wink)
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« Reply #185 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:56pm »

on Sep 2nd, 2007, 4:54pm, Latitude wrote:
I must correct you here. Raj made a good attempt to answer very many questions directly. He did answer all of my questions one by one. But there were so many questions from so many different posters that he was quickly overwhelmed. I think the mods should have organized the question/answer session a little better. It all came to an end with the hacking of his flickr account and his last message to admin was that he felt very uncomfortable and was getting late night calls.

Let's not whitewash what happened. Many people easily discount the event. It was one of the most fascinating episodes in the entire saga. In my life I have learned one thing above all. When that little voice in the back of your head keeps telling you things that seem far fetched, more often than not it is telling you the truth.


Hi Latitude, yet again we have a differing of opinion or a different understanding of the facts. As you may have noticed I have deliberately not posted anything with any form of opinion in it on the Drone threads for quite some time, in fact the last few of my comments have either been joking with another member or trying to help a newer member with the facts of the case. (Occasionally when we had a hit and run I even defended the Drones by answering the post!!)

Partly because nearly all of my answers and reasoning behind them are always quite lengthy, and I also partly stopped posting so much because I was sick of constantly having to defend my every post when it was always just my opinion

Incidentally I was only trying to help another member when you felt the need to, “Correct me.” I was replying to the question,
“I thought the California eye witnesses had not come forward to identify themselves and had not cooperated with the investigation.”

Anyway, (enough of my martyrdom for now grin) back to your post that, “Corrected me.” You wrote,
“I must correct you here. Raj made a good attempt to answer very many questions directly. He did answer all of my questions one by one.” As far as I was aware, Raj only posted twice at OMF, and corresponded with OMF admin via email at least three times.

Raj’s first post, which was an introductory one which was posted on May 31, 2007, 2:26am, his next post appeared at 10:22pm again on the same day, May 31, 2007.

In between these two posts there were a total of 232 posts, only 15 of which contained questions for RAJ.

These 15 were:

1. Post by TheShadow on May 31, 2007, 2:30am
2. Post by Dragonfire on May 31, 2007, 2:34am
3. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 2:36am
4. Post by colorsymphony on May 31, 2007, 2:54am
5. Post by organelle on May 31, 2007, 3:10am
6. Post by davriver209 on May 31, 2007, 3:11am
7. Post by MidusTouch on May 31, 2007, 3:35am
8. Post by filtor on May 31, 2007, 3:42am
9. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 3:49am
10. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 4:01am
11. Post by calikid on May 31, 2007, 4:14am
12. Post by MidusTouch on May 31, 2007, 3:35am
13. Post by filtor on May 31, 2007, 3:42am
14. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 3:49am
15. Post by whoopeddog on May 31, 2007, 7:35pm

When Raj replied he specifically answered 13 questions. So obviously my next question is which poster were you and what questions did you ask that Raj answered, “One by one?”

I don’t want to bore the forum members with the specifics of this so if you VISIT THIS WEBPAGE, you will find all of the 232 posts as well as the questions asked and Rajman1977’s reply to 13 of them.

You also said that,
“It all came to an end with the hacking of his Flickr account and his last message to admin was that he felt very uncomfortable and was getting late night calls.”

I was under the impression that on the 5th June the Rajman1977 Flickr Account got hacked a couple of hours after Spf33 paid for the Pro Flickr account. But it certainly wasn’t his last email to them.

As, on the 6th June Rajman1977 contacted admin at Open Minds Forum resulting in the following post:

“I have heard from Raj. He has only just discovered what's happened to his account at Flickr - he has written to them but got no response. He has also been getting late night callers at his home.

He says he is going to read the forum and catch up.”


Then Ivo5000 said on June 10th that he got another email from Rajman1977, and it was the Santa Cruz Sentinel post that Ddp referenced earlier.

And lastly,
Post by ivo5000 on Jun 12, 2007, 2:46am
The last contact we had with Raj was Saturday. The last we had with Jenna/Stephen was Friday. We have never had contact with Chad.


This is further reinforced by Admin
Post by admin on Jun 12, 2007, 6:50pm
No further contact from anyone.
People will have to make their own minds up as to what that means to them.


“Let's not whitewash what happened.”
I wholeheartedly agree!! But also let’s not embellish it.

“Many people easily discount the event.”
I don’t.

“It was one of the most fascinating episodes in the entire saga.”
An opinion to which you are entitled sir wink

The reason I compiled the above is I believe this is how the facts get mixed up, and also how storylines become blurred with time and hazy recollections so I would appreciate it if you could reply to how you, “Corrected me,” and many thanks Lat…….
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« Reply #186 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 4:40pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:18pm, GForce wrote:
I haven't posted on this thread in awhile due to burnout on the topic. But for some reason last night I started to think about it again. I hope I don't repeat what anyone else has said. But I thought I'd throw this out for debate. WHAT IF ISSAC IS A WOMAN! Think about it before you laugh. We only assume Issac is a man yet no one has met him. What if ISSAC was CASSI?

Issac claims to have carried the documents tucked in his clothing. Well a woman would be less likely to be patted down. Right? I think women would seem less likely to steal so it would be easier to pass through guards.

They are drawbacks to the theory however. It's not a field that a lot of women were in at the time. But I think that may could support it as well. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see what everone thinks. Now you can laugh! wink Dan


I didn't laugh at your suggestion. In fact the idea that Isaac is a woman also crossed my mind.

The problem is that the area of theoretical math is a subject that is dominated by males.

Also I feel that Isaac's position of middle management and his rapid rise to that level is not, unfortunately, typical of females in a male dominated industry of the military industrial complex.

But then this could be an exception. Time will tell. Maybe by calling Isaac a woman this'll smoke him out a bit more.%20grin
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« Reply #187 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 4:50pm »

on Sep 2nd, 2007, 7:21pm, castles4me wrote:
I think that the science behind artificial intelligence (computers) of the days leading into the PACL research is evidence in itself. I wouldn't be surprised if a scientist working on a similar topic of this article was our Isaac. Maybe not these listed on this particular article, but someone in a similar line of study at the time. A woman actually wrote this article in the 1982 issue of AI Magazine (artificial Intelligence Magazine -- but I couldn't access the rest of the article because you have to be a member of AAAI)

MarkM -- here is your symbols/signals too!

Can't you just see this science being studied to determine the linguistics primers?


1982 issue of AI Magazine, Vol. 3 no. 2

Signal-to-Symbol Transformation: HASP/SIAP Case Study
H. Penny Nii, Edward A. Feigenbaum, John J. Anton

Artificial Intelligence is that part of Computer Science that concerns itself with the concepts and methods of symbolic inference and symbolic representation of knowledge. Its point of departure -- it’s most fundamental concept -- is what Newell and Simon called (in their Turing Award Lecture) "the physical symbol system" (Newell and Simon,1976). But within the last fifteen years, it has concerned itself also with signals -- with the interpretation or understanding of signal data. AI researchers have discussed "signal-to symbol transformations," and their programs have shown how appropriate use of symbolic manipulations can be of great use in making signal processing more effective and efficient. Indeed, the programs for signal understanding have been fruitful, powerful, and among the most widely recognized of AI’s achievements.



Funny you mention that G-force -- I had just posted this yesterday. This article was written by Penny Nii -- a WOMAN. I am sure there were plenty of women in the field. I don't think she is Isaac, but I guess in theory Isaac could be a woman. For some reason I doubt it, just because I think the chauvinistic bureaucracy probably wouldn't have hired her for a secret lab project rubbing elbows with men day in and day out.
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« Reply #188 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 4:55pm »

An Message For "Saladfinger" (no "s") -

Since you registered using this name only long enough to post an inappropriate image - nudity in any form is totally unacceptable - I cannot deal with this in private (which I would have preferred).

No doubt the nickname and the image were meant to stir up trouble and therefore the likelihood that you'll revisit this thread is high. So this is your warning. Constructive, respectful posts are always welcome, obscenity is not.

(Your image has been posted in the Moderators forum so that Casebook staff are aware.)
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« Reply #189 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 5:10pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 4:55pm, MarkM wrote:
An Message For "Saladfinger" (no "s") -

Since you registered using this name only long enough to post an inappropriate image - nudity in any form is totally unacceptable - I cannot deal with this in private (which I would have preferred).

No doubt the nickname and the image were meant to stir up trouble and therefore the likelihood that you'll revisit this thread is high. So this is your warning. Constructive, respectful posts are always welcome, obscenity is not.

(Your image has been posted in the Moderators forum so that Casebook staff are aware.)


did he post it right here in this thread? My kids were just over here looking at this page. (not that they read it, but they see me on the computer.)

Maybe it is someone else and not Saladfinger from OMF? Just wondering.... maybe someone trying to sabatoge his name. Or him.. I don't know... I have never gone to OMF.
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« Reply #190 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:05pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 5:10pm, castles4me wrote:
did he post it right here in this thread? My kids were just over here looking at this page. (not that they read it, but they see me on the computer.)

Maybe it is someone else and not Saladfinger from OMF? Just wondering.... maybe someone trying to sabatoge his name. Or him.. I don't know... I have never gone to OMF.

I don't think it is Saladfingers from OpenMinds as he is obsessed with drones but nothing else! I really can't imagine him using such revolting images.
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« Reply #191 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:08pm »

Re: Chad
As you know, I was planning on doing an article about the downfall of ufology and its researchers. (MUFON/LMH in particular). I've given up on the idea even though I have a lot of information, I have good reasons not to do so.

Anyway, I went in the following and found Steve Neill - (This is the Steve that MUFON brought in about the Chad photos)

http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=121

Steve Neill was a member in there but quit a month after registering at 10-01-2005. The CGI part of Steve I believe may be debatable. He does special affects, he has used CGI but he's primarily an RC model builder. Read here what he has to say about his experience in Sept. 2004. Keep in mind that Saladfingers has 11 years (I think he said) under his belt.
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Thanks guys. I don't know if I'm more experienced or not. Certainly not with CGI but I have worked in film for a long time on all kinds of effects.

An expert in three years? Debatable.

To read what he writes, he's really a super guy and both wife and him are dealing with cancer (yes both) so tread lightly. You can somewhat tell how much experience he did not have based on his posts at this address. Actually, it's as if that is when he started using CGI but then again remember most of his time is building RC models.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/search.php?searchid=5668063

Just an F.Y.I., Steve Neill is a member in multitudes of forums and has upwards of 20,000 posts. But, these are all RC model forums.

The comments made in the MUFON's infamous email to UFO Updates were not Steves. Mark D' Antonio answered the whys and wherefores on Chad.

Steve has his own forum now at the following address. So if you want to get his actual opinion on what he really thought about the Chad photos and why, you can put a bug in his ear at the following address. He's screen name member U812 and it should be someone with CGI background that asks him the questions.
http://www.subpirates.com/

Lastly, Mark D' Antonio was MUFONs other "expert" as you already know. The following you've already seen and I'll tell you now that they are Mark's clients that he builds models for.

United States Joint Chiefs, Washington D.C
Curtiss Wright Flow Control Corporation
Northrop Grumman / Newport News
General Dynamics
Nautilus Memorial Museum
USS Connecticut (SSN22) Commissioning Committee
Naval War College Museum
Lockheed Martin, Undersea Systems (Virginia), Space Systems (Sunnyvale)
Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC), Carderock, MD
Smithsonian Institution / EDS, Washington, DC
The United States Congress
The Foreign Ambassadors to the United States
United States Navy
GMD/Japan Research Laboratory Kitakyushu Japan
NAVSEA (US NAVY)
US Congress

And to think that he was a MUFON investigator while these were his clients. Some don't think it matters but some do. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it's bothersome.

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« Reply #192 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:25pm »

No, I definitely DO NOT think it is Saladfingers (with an S) from OMF. It is someone directing a message to Saladfingers. Although I'm not going to make accusations within the forum, think about who that fits. You'll get it. The image posted was a remake of the "CGI Drones For Dummies" spoof that Saladfingers did (directed at a specific individual,yet another hint).
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« Reply #193 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:25pm »



it's not saladfingers. I did an IP check and it's Lev's state and him and saladfingers go head to head all the time.
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« Reply #194 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:54pm »

The following was posted on OM by 45letters. I believe he nailed why Isaac selected his name, its an anagram:

"Funny how Isaac + Caret = IsaacCaret or with 2 letters changed in the middle = Is a seC*ret a play on words or an anagram.. the letters "a.. c.. a.." would be changed to "s.. e... *.." nobody seems to have mentioned this or discussed this before."

Curious to hear what others here think about that.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=1187811312&page=2
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