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« Reply #195 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 7:07pm »

To bring you up to speed on an event that is taking place over at OMF, read the following.

Our member and OMF member Elevenaugust contacted a photograph expert who is using the screen name of "noise1analyst" and is responding to questions in OMF. He's currently not there but he did post this earlier.

Hi everybody!
I decided add some comments here directly, so that Elevenaugust doesn't have to copy my messages from e-mails.
Nemo492 asked: " Is it correct tu sum up saying : we have 6 real photographs from Raj, no CGI or embedded objects, and dysnchro in 4 of them can be explained by cropping or resizing.. ?"
My comment: Both cropping and resizing would have to take place. However, IMHO, it is unlikely that it happened. I'm still looking for an explanation what is a likely cause of desynchronization or lost of camera signature in 4 out of 6 images. At least, I see it as a sign of image manipulation, and a sign of possible cheating.

Co-Administrator: "I do have a question for the expert: Is it possible to comment upon the authenticity of the one hi-res photo we received from the Big Basin series? It can be found here."
My answer: The link to BB images is now broken. Well, I downloaded them few days ago. They are saved as png files 3000x2000 resolution. The Minolta Dimage X is 2 Mp camera with native resolution 1600 x 1200. The images are not originals from a camera. Elevenaugust is trying to obtain at least some of them
They are likely in 4:3 aspect ratio even if another digital camera was used. It is very hard for me to tell whether the images are authentic or not without having more images from the same camera piece, preferably the same resolution and not printed and scanned.

jtp wrote: "I can confirm the correlation between PICT0013.jpg and PICT00016.jpg. It looks like that there are faint scratches, specks of dust/dirt and thin vertical stripes which are exactly the same in both images."
My comment: You are correct. Blue sky means almost no content, easier to actually see the camera noise. Vertical stripes are more or less common to all digital cameras they are usually much weaker. They tend to be corelated in pictures from the same camera model. After I removed them from the noise of Capital pictures PICT0013.jpg and PICT0016.jpg we still obtain 5.06% correlation between them. This means that the two pictures were taken by the same camera, if not sophisticately engineered. I cannot tell what has been done to other 4 pictures so that their noise components are uncorrelated. More images (any kind) from the same camera would help to tell more about the remaining 4 pictures.

saladfingers wrote: "The grain similarities are quite hidden, but not lost because of the different image content." .... "The grain is finer, but the repeat is there." ... "Ok, so what is causing this. One solution to this, is that they are all CG images..."
My comment: The phenomenon is natural for digital cameras. The grain is caused by (filtered) imperferctions of CCD sensors. To prove it for you in case of Minolta Dimage X, I downloaded sample pictures from http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/minoltadimagex_samples1/ in 1200 by 1600 resolution. The 2nd and 5th picture in the gallery have 2.35% correlation, the 3rd and 4th picture in the gallery have 2.20% correlation. It is not as much as the two Capitola image because it is harder to obtain as good estimate of noise component because of less uniform content. Above 2% is still statistically very significant, I have no doubt about the same camera origin. To be complete, the 2nd and 4th pictures must be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise to compensate for clockwise camera rotation to obtain 2.25% and 2.42%. correlation with the 3rd picture. BTW, if I was taking the pictures, clockwise rotation would be needed for compensation smiley.

saladfingers wrote: "How does a digital camera even get that kind of grain (as seen in the Raj images)? Anyone have a camera like that? If so could you send me some images (pm me and I'll send you my email address). I'll then do the same test on it."
My comment: Please, read my comment above.

Another opinion: I may be able to do more analysis if more original pictures are available to us. Without having them, most of the discussion is wasting our time.
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« Reply #196 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 10:25pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:18pm, GForce wrote:
WHAT IF ISSAC IS A WOMAN! Think about it before you laugh. We only assume Issac is a man yet no one has met him.


I agree. I mentioned umpteen postings ago that ISAAC may have included some identity-protecting disinformation in his revelations. He may be a woman; the dates of his work on the project may be altered; his fields of specialty and so on and so on----all to make it more difficult to narrow "his" identity down for the PTB.
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« Reply #197 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 10:48pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 10:25pm, starsigndavid wrote:
I agree. I mentioned umpteen postings ago that ISAAC may have included some identity-protecting disinformation in his revelations. He may be a woman; the dates of his work on the project may be altered; his fields of specialty and so on and so on----all to make it more difficult to narrow "his" identity down for the PTB.


I thought I had read on one of the threads someone touching on the subject. I've always had a problem believing Issac JUST walked out with the documents. That would take some mighty big grapefruits! If he were a man and more likely to be patted down.

I'm not saying Issac is female only that I believe a woman would face less scrutiny going through check points. To me it just makes more sense.
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« Reply #198 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:07pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 7:07pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
To bring you up to speed on an event that is taking place over at OMF, read the following.


So this is basically saying that the photos are real because they have the same "scratches" that a digital camera would have and not CGI. ?
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« Reply #199 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:08pm »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 6:54pm, drewlac wrote:
"Funny how Isaac + Caret = IsaacCaret or with 2 letters changed in the middle = Is a seC*ret a play on words or an anagram.. the letters "a.. c.. a.." would be changed to "s.. e... *.." nobody seems to have mentioned this or discussed this before."

Curious to hear what others here think about that.



It bears absolutely no weight in my opinion = false.
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« Reply #200 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:09pm »

i think we started getting fishy about isaac,s identity. back in the 3rd tread. he is no dummy. he stated that he covered his self in case.quote by Isaac;i am not interested in making myself vulnerable to the consequences of betraying the trust of my superiors and will not divulge any personal information that could determine my identity. wink with that this keeps Isaac a man.quote i would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, i could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30 -50 people at best,so i feel reasonably secure. now it would have to be a female working in a group of men which i think a female would have been known by giving us this information. their would have had to be for more than lets say 3 females working on this project to easily detected. no way hes a female. just my two cents. wink
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« Reply #201 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:35pm »

Jugement and GForce are right on the money, in my opinion. There are so many ways to conceal or obfuscate one's identity. To take Isaac at his word on his dates of employ, gender, area of expertise, geographical area of work, civilian or military worker or ANYTHING, is to believe that he is stupid enough to wear a sign that says" "WHISTLE BLOWER--COME GET ME!!"

Put your self in his shoes. If it were you, how much up front truth would YOU reveal about your identity. And his truthfulness about the substance of his revelations bear no relation to his honesty on his identity. I would expect him to muddy the waters there.

I also recall someone posting that ISAAC might be more than one person, working in concert, to bring about these disclosures. VERY interesting speculation.
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« Reply #202 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:44pm »

something else that eliminates Isaac being a female. quote; a rocket engineer doesn't usually rub elbows much with a computer scientist, but inside pack, we all equally mystified and were ready to entertain any and all ideas. so here Isaac got a hold of some of the documents from his peers that was in a different field than he was. that confused DOD if they got on any ones tail after giving us this information by 200 intelligent scientist mengeling together sharing information out of his field all one would have to say is i know only this or that and never had access to this information. smart Isaac covered his tracks well like he said. wink
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« Reply #203 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:47pm »

thank you starsigndavid; shalom lac. grin
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« Reply #204 on: Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:54pm »

I have heard of disgruntled employees, but never a gruntled employee. Just an observation!! wink
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« Reply #205 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 05:05am »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:08pm, castles4me wrote:
It bears absolutely no weight in my opinion = false.


Sorry I have to disagree with you here, I believe its an anagram and a very good one too.

Isaac choose his name, but why choose Isaac?:
"You can call me Isaac, an alias I've chosen as a simple measure of protection while I release what would be called tremendously sensitive information even by todays standards....(aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name)"

The goal of serious or skilled anagrammists is to produce anagrams which, in some way, reflect or comment on the subject.

This shows how clever Isaac truly is, essentially reiterating his identity is a secret by the selection of his alias and the use of an anagram. Isaac I applaud you, well done!
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« Reply #206 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 07:29am »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:07pm, castles4me wrote:
So this is basically saying that the photos are real because they have the same "scratches" that a digital camera would have and not CGI. ?


It says to me that the artifacts found in the six Capitola images don't fit what is thought to be known about their origin.

Here is a link to a list of known CCD artifacts.

http://astronomy.nmsu.edu/cwc/Software/CCD-calib.html

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« Reply #207 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 08:37am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 05:05am, drewlac wrote:
Sorry I have to disagree with you here, I believe its an anagram and a very good one too.

Isaac choose his name, but why choose Isaac?:
"You can call me Isaac, an alias I've chosen as a simple measure of protection while I release what would be called tremendously sensitive information even by todays standards....(aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name)"

The goal of serious or skilled anagrammists is to produce anagrams which, in some way, reflect or comment on the subject.

This shows how clever Isaac truly is, essentially reiterating his identity is a secret by the selection of his alias and the use of an anagram. Isaac I applaud you, well done!


How is it an anagram if you have to change three letters? One could find words from basically ANY word.

take the word basically -- ooooh that could mean socially -- all we do is change the b and the a to s and o... lol
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« Reply #208 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 09:03am »

I had an interesting dream this morning before I awoke. I was driving in my car in northern California down a busy street. There was a man in my car -- that I didn't know (not sure why lol -- but it was OK that he was there)

At the time I was wondering how we were going to get out of the car because I didn't have the keys and the doors were locked... (but we were inside so that didn't make sense) I thought about it and remembered, that I could roll down the window and someone could unlock the door like that.

I was thinking about this while at a stop light. I looked over to the right and there was a black chinook helicopter followed by two more regular helicopters, an army green and a black one.

I thought... definitely military -- and just then a drone appeared maybe about 10-15 feet above my car and was moving over my car towards the back of my car. I dug through my purse really quick for my cell phone and rolled down the window on the passenger side, and stuck my camera phone out backwards and up towards the drone and took two pictures. The first one came out, but the second one didn't because it had already moved out of view. (the drone looked almost like the drone you all call the '"sprinkler drone" it had a ring on it's tail.)

The light turned green and we kept driving -- we were going to the beach. When we got to the beach there were large grassy areas and some trees, and we parked. I looked toward where we had come from to see if I could see the drone, thinking that I should have turned around and followed it to try and get more pictures. I could see the drone in the distance on the horizon. At that moment, 6 more black hellicopters flew towards the beach and landed and about 50 military police dressed in black started searching around everywhere. They had two lines formed at oposite ends of the grassy area, and they were holding those see-through plexiglass shields and the two search lines seemed as if they were trying to scare something up out of the tall grass -- each line moving towards each other. Other military police were searching the area between the grass and the beach... up in trees, and all over. They said they were looking for a "panther" but I felt that they were looking for an alien, because that was the direction that the drone had come from, so maybe it dropped someone off there.

The unknown man and I were walking toward the beach while they were searching around. I felt too nervous having all of these military police surrounding me, so I wanted to leave.... and was wondering how I was going to get in my car if the doors were locked and I didn't have the key.

But, I got in my car and started to back out in a nervous confusion, and I backed into some old lady's sports car that was parked behind me.

lol weird dream huh.
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« Reply #209 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 09:07am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 08:37am, castles4me wrote:
How is it an anagram if you have to change three letters? One could find words from basically ANY word.

take the word basically -- ooooh that could mean socially -- all we do is change the b and the a to s and o... lol


If I'm not mistaken an anagram is a word or words derived from a given word without changing letters. Take CARET for example. You can get just to name a few. Trace, Care, Tar, Car, Ear, Tea, Tear etc. What Drew seems to be thinking about is a Cryptogram. Although in cryptograms all the letters are changed.
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