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« Reply #210 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 09:21am »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 11:35pm, starsigndavid wrote:
And his truthfulness about the substance of his revelations bear no relation to his honesty on his identity. I would expect him to muddy the waters there.

I also recall someone posting that ISAAC might be more than one person, working in concert, to bring about these disclosures. VERY interesting speculation.


Issac has had years to think about how he would release the documents. I'm sure EVERY detail to protect himself was carefully thought out. And since this is pure speculation I would agree with SSD what if Issac was working in tandem with someone else.

What if... Issac is/was the wife of the document thief. Maybe her husband passed away but not before filling her in on every aspect of the documents. If it was her husband who took the documents and he is no longer around she would be safe from the federal bloodhounds. Again this is pure conjecture!

This is like playing CLUE or writing a Soap Opera. laugh
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« Reply #211 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 09:31am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 09:21am, GForce wrote:
Issac has had years to think about how he would release the documents. I'm sure EVERY detail to protect himself was carefully thought out. And since this is pure speculation I would agree with SSD what if Issac was working in tandem with someone else.

What if... Issac is/was the wife of the document thief. Maybe her husband passed away but not before filling her in on every aspect of the documents. If it was her husband who took the documents and he is no longer around she would be safe from the federal bloodhounds. Again this is pure conjecture!

This is like playing CLUE or writing a Soap Opera. laugh
yes gforce; this fits better.like you said isaac is not going to befound so easily this guy to us and even with LMH,is like ET.so what ever you guys come up with will be good. wink
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« Reply #212 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 09:46am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 09:21am, GForce wrote:
This is like playing CLUE or writing a Soap Opera. laugh


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« Reply #213 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 10:08am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 09:03am, castles4me wrote:
I had an interesting dream this morning before I awoke. I was driving in my car in northern California down a busy street. There was a man in my car -- that I didn't know (not sure why lol -- but it was OK that he was there)

Your car is your body, it is a vehicle. There is a man with you but it's ok that he be there.
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At the time I was wondering how we were going to get out of the car because I didn't have the keys and the doors were locked... (but we were inside so that didn't make sense) I thought about it and remembered, that I could roll down the window and someone could unlock the door like that.

The doors are not open yet and you are not one to open them because you can't figure out how to do it yet. Someone (and you already know who that someone is) has left a window open for you, which unlocks the door.
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I was thinking about this while at a stop light. I looked over to the right and there was a black chinook helicopter followed by two more regular helicopters, an army green and a black one. I thought... definitely military -- and just then a drone appeared maybe about 10-15 feet above my car and was moving over my car towards the back of my car. I dug through my purse really quick for my cell phone and rolled down the window on the passenger side, and stuck my camera phone out backwards and up towards the drone and took two pictures. The first one came out, but the second one didn't because it had already moved out of view. (the drone looked almost like the drone you all call the '"sprinkler drone" it had a ring on it's tail.)

Too much here. They may be telling you that military is on top of it. Latitude's scenario. A possibility certainly, which is probably why we haven't seen any more drones. The "sprinkler drone" is synonymous with the word "anonymous drone" since it was "anonymous" who reported that drone. I'm stuck on this one though.
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The light turned green and we kept driving -- we were going to the beach.

You were still good to go and the man is still using you as a vehicle.
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When we got to the beach there were large grassy areas and some trees, and we parked. I looked toward where we had come from to see if I could see the drone, thinking that I should have turned around and followed it to try and get more pictures.

A good depiction of Big Basin at the Bay.
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I could see the drone in the distance on the horizon.

The distance is in the future, which could mean you'll see more drones.
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At that moment, 6 more black hellicopters flew towards the beach and landed and about 50 military police dressed in black started searching around everywhere.

However, for the moment, the military is on top of them too, which may put a crimp in seeing them.
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They had two lines formed at opposite ends of the grassy area, and they were holding those see-through Plexiglas shields and the two search lines seemed as if they were trying to scare something up out of the tall grass -- each line moving towards each other.

As it is, possibly they are sweeping the Big Basin area looking for drones. What you write sounds like a National Guard routine (similar to police in riot gear).
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Other military police were searching the area between the grass and the beach... up in trees, and all over. They said they were looking for a "panther" but I felt that they were looking for an alien, because that was the direction that the drone had come from, so maybe it dropped someone off there.

Panther and alien could very well be one of the same. Go here below. It's not a black panther, it's a black leopard.
The Leopard (Panthera pardus)
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=leopard&ver=asv
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Originally, it was thought that a leopard was a hybrid between a lion and a panther, and the leopard's common name derives from this belief; leo is the Greek and Latin word for lion (Greek leon, λέωνwink and pard is an old term meaning panther. In fact, a "panther" can be any of several species of large felid.

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The unknown man and I were walking toward the beach while they were searching around. I felt too nervous having all of these military police surrounding me, so I wanted to leave.... and was wondering how I was going to get in my car if the doors were locked and I didn't have the key.

There is a clue but it's too deep.
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But, I got in my car and started to back out in a nervous confusion, and I backed into some old lady's sports car that was parked behind me.

Old ladies don't drive sports cars (typically). A long shot here but does The Little Old Lady From Pasadena mean anything to you? Pasadena by the way is a thick forested area. Not typical Southern California. Plenty of housing certainly but foothills and mountains are found there more then anything. You can see Mount Wilson just up the hill from Pasadena, which is where most all of the Southern California radio programs broadcast from. It is located in the San Gabriel Mountains and 22 miles from Pasadena but not really. You have to drive switchbacks to get to it, which makes the drive long because like I said it's straight up the hill but the road doesn't go straight up. Also, Mt. Wilson Observatory is there. Quite famous actually. Who knows - that was just a long shot by the way.
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lol weird dream huh.

I'll trade you yours for mine any day. The last one I had (which was from three last night) was where they were showing me how the spirit travels in the atmosphere above the ground and at ground level. They were showing me a jellyfish and how it manuvers itself through the water. They said the depiction is that of the spirit traveling with the assistance of earth's magnetic
field as well as good ole H2O. That was a very weird dream but one of the more vivid ones I've ever had.

We should have put this dream one in your Visions thread. Want to move it? Up to you.
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« Reply #214 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 10:20am »



Castles4me, I forgot to tell you that the ones with me helped me write that and gave me most of the thoughts. Not all though.
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« Reply #215 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 11:02am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 10:08am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Old ladies don't drive sports cars (typically). A long shot here but does The Little Old Lady From Pasadena mean anything to you? Pasadena by the way is a thick forested area. Not typical Southern California. Plenty of housing certainly but foothills and mountains are found there more then anything. You can see Mount Wilson just up the hill from Pasadena, which is where most all of the Southern California radio programs broadcast from. It is located in the San Gabriel Mountains and 22 miles from Pasadena but not really. You have to drive switchbacks to get to it, which makes the drive long because like I said it's straight up the hill but the road doesn't go straight up. Also, Mt. Wilson Observatory is there. Quite famous actually. Who knows - that was just a long shot by the way.

We should have put this dream one in your Visions thread. Want to move it? Up to you.


Wow ATO -- that really makes the dream make more sense! I will have to look up the panther thing! And, in the dream I was in Northern California, not southern.... -- You can move it to the vision thread if you want smiley with your response.
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« Reply #216 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 11:19am »

on Sep 3rd, 2007, 3:56pm, DrDil wrote:
Raj’s first post, which was an introductory one which was posted on May 31, 2007, 2:26am, his next post appeared at 10:22pm again on the same day, May 31, 2007.

In between these two posts there were a total of 232 posts, only 15 of which contained questions for RAJ.

These 15 were:

1. Post by TheShadow on May 31, 2007, 2:30am
2. Post by Dragonfire on May 31, 2007, 2:34am
3. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 2:36am
4. Post by colorsymphony on May 31, 2007, 2:54am
5. Post by organelle on May 31, 2007, 3:10am
6. Post by davriver209 on May 31, 2007, 3:11am
7. Post by MidusTouch on May 31, 2007, 3:35am
8. Post by filtor on May 31, 2007, 3:42am
9. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 3:49am
10. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 4:01am
11. Post by calikid on May 31, 2007, 4:14am
12. Post by MidusTouch on May 31, 2007, 3:35am
13. Post by filtor on May 31, 2007, 3:42am
14. Post by spf33 on May 31, 2007, 3:49am
15. Post by whoopeddog on May 31, 2007, 7:35pm

When Raj replied he specifically answered 13 questions. So obviously my next question is which poster were you and what questions did you ask that Raj answered, “One by one?”


Please don't take offense. But if you go back and search the posts from the previous day you will see there were many more. BTW, Rajman's first post was Reply #1115 on May 30, 2007, 6:26pm.

You are correct that my recollection can be hazy. Thanks for bringing your perspective to the history. I think it is very important for that history to be documented... even what transpired in the forums.

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« Reply #217 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 11:35am »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 11:02am, castles4me wrote:
Wow ATO -- that really makes the dream make more sense! I will have to look up the panther thing! And, in the dream I was in Northern California, not southern.... -- You can move it to the vision thread if you want smiley with your response.


The lady in the sports car could mean anything and it doesn't have to do with No. Calif.

You have to move your post, I can't or it will have my name on it. After that, I move mine. They can stay here to but it should be in the Visions thread also.
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« Reply #218 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 12:09pm »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 09:21am, GForce wrote:
Issac has had years to think about how he would release the documents. I'm sure EVERY detail to protect himself was carefully thought out. And since this is pure speculation I would agree with SSD what if Issac was working in tandem with someone else.

What if... Issac is/was the wife of the document thief. Maybe her husband passed away but not before filling her in on every aspect of the documents. If it was her husband who took the documents and he is no longer around she would be safe from the federal bloodhounds. Again this is pure conjecture!

This is like playing CLUE or writing a Soap Opera. laugh


I think that highly unlikely. I sight the follow up emails to LMH in his responses to the skeptics as proof. They do not sound like that from a wife.

I hope he did have a backup plan though. Gordon Novel says he has cdroms ready to be mailed if something were to happen to him.

I guess Isaac is really wondering what the government will let him disclose. That is the only reason why he would come forward with only a portion of what he knows and has. So any further disclosures would likely be approved by the PTB. If no more come out then we can safely assume the PTB want to continue the cover up.
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« Reply #219 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 1:27pm »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 10:20am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Castles4me, I forgot to tell you that the ones with me helped me write that and gave me most of the thoughts. Not all though.

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There is a clue but it's too deep.

A clue about the drones? It's a pity we won't know more! undecided
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« Reply #220 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 1:28pm »

Hi all!

I have sent some other questions to the expert:

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Thank you for your intervention on the forum!
Your very relevant remarks were very appreciated by the whole of the participants and the team of the administrators and the mods.
Your analyses and your remarks are undeniable and have much value for all those which work since months on this business.

One of the participants of the forum .which works on the photographs, Saladfingers, which you already noticed on the forum think it could be CG.
You showed that the grain is caused by (filtered) imperfections of CCD sensors for the Capitola's photos.
But what about these pictures?
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-1-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-2-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-3-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-4-fullsize.jpg
Saladfingers shows that there are similitaries in the grain on the various images, as in that of Capitola. You can find his comparison in the first page of the thread where you intervened yesterday
in reply #14 (Object A1).

These images were sent by a person called “Isaac” who affirms to have worked in Palo Alto in a research Laboratory, in the Eighties, on a research program concerning the use of an extraterrestrial technology in the development of an innovative system of propulsion functioning with antigravity.
He produced many documents on which have finds elements very similar to the photographs of Capitola and Big Basin.

You can find complete text and pics here:
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

That seems extraordinary, but we try, here also, to find coherent answers and to know if these documents could be made in the Eighties, as Isaac claims it.

My question, finally, is: According to your experience, can you give us your advice on these pics? Are they true photographs or data-processing graphic designs?

Cheers!


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Is it possible that some of these images were taken with a camera of the Eighties?
And more particularly, could it reproduce this similar granulous effect of an image on the other, like sensor-camera CCD's did?
Did there exist at the time an enough powerful camera to produce photographs of this quality?

And the most important question: how could we differentiate unambiguous a photographic image from a creation cgi?

Cheers!


We just have to wait for the answer now.

If you have technology matters on the photographs of Raj, Chad, Ty or Isaac, do not hesitate, I would transmit.

Cheers
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« Reply #221 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 2:17pm »

Well, the answers:

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Thank you for your intervention on the forum!
Your very relevant remarks were very appreciated by the whole of the participants and the team of the administrators and the mods.
Your analyses and your remarks are undeniable and have much value for all those which work since months on this business.

One of the participants of the forum .which works on the photographs, Saladfingers, which you already noticed on the forum think it could be CG.
You showed that the grain is caused by (filtered) imperferctions of CCD sensors for the Capitola's photos.
But what about these pictures?
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-1-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-2-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-3-fullsize.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/banners/interstitial.html?http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/pacl-q486-photo-4-fullsize.jpg
Saladfingers shows that there are similitaries in the grain on the various images, as in that of Capitola. You can find his comparison in the first page of the thread where you intervened yesterday
in reply #14 (Object A1).

These images were sent by a person called “Isaac” who affirms to have worked in Palo Alto in a research Laboratory, in the Eighties, on a research program concerning the use of an extraterrestrial technology in the development of an innovative system of propulsion functioning with antigravity.
It produced many documents on which have finds elements very similar to the photographs of Capitola and Big Basin.

You can find complete text and pics here:
http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

That seems extraordinary, but we try, here also, to find coherent answers and to know if these documents could be made in the Eighties, as Isaac claims it.

My question, finally, is: According to your experience, can you give us your advice on these pics? Are they true photographs or data-processing graphic designs?

Cheers!

"Hi Tonio,
Deciding whether images are CG or real is not an easy task. Few researchers used machine learning techniques like support vector machines (SVM) for this. It is time consuming process. I haven't done any work on this problem. So, I can only say my personal opinion.

I read most of Isaac's story at http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ . It is a nice story, worth reading. Now I am convinced he is a sci-fi writer. Otherwise, especially if he was a scientist, he would not construct such an elaborated (although very nice) story based on no facts. His paragraph on the extra-terrestrial language is not as good as the rest. Who knows some basics of classical Shannon Information Theory he/she sees immediately that the whole concept of such language - "The ability for a single, small symbol to contain, not just represent, tremendous amounts of data" - is not only counter-intuitive but it is in contradiction with the Information Theory.
I bet that the sizes of the four images are genuine outcomes of 300 dpi scanning of 4"x6" pictures. Do you think that such small size photos could be used for any serious research in engineering? Obviously not. OK, the photographs could have been larger, say 8"x12". If this was the case then scanning was 150dpi which is not "high resolution" but in contrary it is the lowest you can get from a scanner at your home. The pictures look like computer generated (CG) to me but they could be a very good drawings by a talented painter as well. The shading on the two parts doesn't look real. If they were real they would have to be quite small and the camera quite close to them since only the front portion is in focus. Maybe 8 inches long. Can you do tests on similar objects with your camera? Try no zoom, zooming would give sharper images.

With regards,"

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Just a little precision about my previous mail:

Did the photographs are supposed to be taken in the Eighties, exist at the time a camera able to make similar photographs?
And able also to produce effects of similar grains like noticed it Saladfingers?

And, finally, a very important question:
How would it be possible to distinguish a real photograph from a creation cgi?

Cheers

Tonio

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This is a good question. I don't know any plausible explanation for the similarities in grains noticed by Saladfingers if a film camera took the pictures. IMHO, suggested dust specs on camera lens cannot be the cause. The dust would show up on the photographs enlarged, likely much bigger and not as the same random texture as we witnessed. Rather we would find only few spots on the photos that coincide.

The quality of pictures is worse than what I expect scientists in eighties worked with. It is better to zoom in to avoid such blurr. On the other hand, artists like to see the distant portion out of focus because it makes a better illusion of 3-D.
BTW, it took quite a while till digital cameras were able to catch up with traditional film cameras in terms of resolution and color reproduction."


I make a point of once again thanking noise1analyst for his answers.
IMHO, as long as we will miss elements to continue to work, it will be difficult to know some more.
I thus think that, consequently of this lack of additional elements, we all are (even noise1analyst.) brought to one moment or to another, of giving personal opinions.
I also think that when one is a scientific researcher, accustomed to work in a methodical way with known materials, tested, it is difficult to make experiments and to make conclusions on photographs or images as those which we have.

My work will be now to try to obtain more reliable data so that noise1analyst can continue its work.

Cheers

PS: Any others questions for him are always available!!

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« Reply #222 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 2:45pm »

At least this guy is presenting rational answers and not just a "Its CGI you idiot" kind of approach lol

But, still... it is only HIS opinion, one of which we all have smiley

My opinion is that the drones are still real, Isaac is still real, and you can look for grain in photos all day and that doesn't prove beyond a doubt that the images are fake.
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« Reply #223 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 3:25pm »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 2:45pm, castles4me wrote:
At least this guy is presenting rational answers and not just a "Its CGI you idiot" kind of approach lol

But, still... it is only HIS opinion, one of which we all have smiley

My opinion is that the drones are still real, Isaac is still real, and you can look for grain in photos all day and that doesn't prove beyond a doubt that the images are fake.


Actually his grain analysis is pointing to photos being authentic. It's when he begins to voice his opinions on the subject matter is where he goes astray. I think he should leave his opinions (that are not photo analysis oriented) out of the forums because that's not why he's here as an expert. That would be like calling a forensic crime analyst to give a report on blood stains and then he says "oh by the way, I think he did it". It's not relevant but could be damaging to a case.
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« Reply #224 on: Sep 4th, 2007, 3:40pm »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 1:27pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:

A clue about the drones? It's a pity we won't know more! undecided


Her dream can be of her own mind's design. It doesn't have to be the kind that are delivered. And, it can be both.

If it's of her own mind's design, my response to what I said was deep is probably on a personal nature so I don't find it necessary to do since it's none of my business. And besides, I don't know her personally so I wouldn't know.
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