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« Reply #255 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:18pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 5:56pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
noise1analyst just stated the following in OMF so let's back up and slow down since most everything other then Isaac was digital. At this point, I think it's safe to dismiss the whole noise1analyst thing.

I don't agree with you on that one. I know what kind of software he's refering to and I think it makes his opinion very valuable. Even if he's not "a digital camera expert (hardware), nor a photographic expert", he certainly knows a lot about the very nature of a photography.
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« Reply #256 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:25pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:50pm, Latitude wrote:
All these people have their own agendas. It's rare to find a true open mind person in these days of cynicism.


I think that these, “Days of cynicism” have always been upon us, it’s just that the believers haven’t always recognized or realised it.

I also think that this paradigm is simply the nature of the beast (or perhaps more literally the nature of the belief.)

Maybes it’s due to the almost global domination of the internet that this divide seems more prolific and also more instantly recognizable these days, although whenever there's a, “Do you believe?” poll, believers always come out on top.

Hopefully the only reason this isn’t more evident in everyday life is due to the cynics being more vocal. Unfortunately though, I think it’s more to do with the cynics currently having more power. Hopefully (and sooner rather than later) there will be a global and collective shift in awareness and thinking.

Perhaps then the truth-seekers and believers will have a more powerful and resonant voice with which to demand the long overdue answers.

Well, here’s hoping………..
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« Reply #257 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:27pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:50pm, Latitude wrote:
I think LMH uses a Mac.

Yes she does, this comes from the message header in her last email to me:

X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2)
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« Reply #258 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:29pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:18pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I don't agree with you on that one. I know what kind of software he's refering to and I think it makes his opinion very valuable. Even if he's not "a digital camera expert (hardware), nor a photographic expert", he certainly knows a lot about the very nature of a photography.


He posted on OMF that his research was inconclusive. I think we can easily take that as a win in the real corner. Scrutinized yet again with no smoking gun uncovered. I'm glad he came back and qualified his remarks that his opinions on the drone story as a whole is only that... his opinion.

I look at it this way. There was no way in h3ll this guy was going to conclude the drones are real. His bias virtually eliminates that possibility. The best thing the believers could have hoped for is exactly what happened. Inconclusive. I for one am glad he admitted his bias. A less than sincere debunker would have lied and said he believes in UFOs. He's a good man and we should thank him for what he has done.
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« Reply #259 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:30pm »

Nowadays...photos cant be used as proof.....video cant be used as proof...leaked documents cant be used and neither can eyewitness testimony, not even retired ex military testimony.

There is nothing left, the PtB have us right where they us.

The only way disclosure will happen is when the 6 o'clock news tells the us/the masses it is happening.
Dont hold your breath

Or maybe a mass armada over our heads in every major city all over the world

All we can do is plug away in our own quest for the truth, to hell with everyone else.

Truth begins with one self

Sorry

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« Reply #260 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:38pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:30pm, murnut wrote:
Nowadays...photos cant be used as proof.....video cant be used as proof...leaked documents cant be used and neither can eyewitness testimony, not even retired ex military testimony.

There is nothing left, the PtB have us right where they us.

The only way disclosure will happen is when the 6 o'clock news tells the us/the masses it is happening.
Dont hold your breath

Or maybe a mass armada over our heads in every major city all over the world

All we can do is plug away in our own quest for the truth, to hell with everyone else.

Truth begins with one self

Sorry

Rant over


Rant on, dude! I couldn't have said it any better. But I still would like to see disclosure day... if only to see some people soiling themselves. wink
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« Reply #261 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 8:14pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 3:02pm, murnut wrote:
after ruling out CGI completely

Why does the expert rule out CGI? I would be interested to know.

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I say the model fake is possible

How strange! This kind of statement reminds me of Ottoth.

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handily erase any fine suspension wires or threads.
Ottoth again?

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Basically the second person says the same thing, except he lays it down at 65-35 chances of it being a photographed model because he feels a little more confident that for some reason the picture's been purposefully blurred.
Very accurate figures from a person who doesn't sound confident.

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they both feel it's plausible that it's a model, but neither are certain at all.
Well! We finally came back from where we were! All these experts are very far from being self-confident, this is not very convincing.
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« Reply #262 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 8:35pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:29pm, Latitude wrote:
He posted on OMF that his research was inconclusive.

The experts need the original photos. Without them, asking for help his useless.
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« Reply #263 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 9:23pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 7:18pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
I don't agree with you on that one. I know what kind of software he's refering to and I think it makes his opinion very valuable. Even if he's not "a digital camera expert (hardware), nor a photographic expert", he certainly knows a lot about the very nature of a photography.


No, they took something and made it bigger then life but it wasn't.

If they're going to use an expert, then they need an expert and not someone who admittedly only works with the creation of noise software. He admitted that he was not a photography expert and he also admitted that he wasn't into CGI so what in the heck is he commenting for? they have Saladfingers for that.
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« Reply #264 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 9:25pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 8:35pm, isawaufooverparis wrote:
The experts need the original photos. Without them, asking for help his useless.


Just by him admitting in the OMF forum that he was not a photograph expert and knew very little about CGI, I don't care if he had the originals in his hands, his comments hold no weight. No more then my comments would since I know squat about photography.
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« Reply #265 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 11:30pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 6:50pm, Latitude wrote:
How can you get an honest opinion from somebody who refuses to believe in ET visitation? To them it's one of two things, CGI or models. So the guy can't find any sign of wires to hang a model. So what does he suspect? Some blur processing must have been done. Anything but ET, I guess. rolleyes
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If someone has an absolutely closed mind to even the POSSIBILITY of visitation, then their analysis can't help but be colored by that worldview. When you KNOW in your own belief system that there is no ET, then you will work the evidence so that it MUST reveal a fraud. ...and when clear evidence of fraud is missing, you ASSUME chicanery and trickery that your own analysis cannot find. Analyze with skepticism and high scientific standards, but NOT with a certain conviction that no matter what, there is no ET.
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« Reply #266 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 12:48am »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 9:25pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Just by him admitting in the OMF forum that he was not a photograph expert and knew very little about CGI, I don't care if he had the originals in his hands, his comments hold no weight. No more then my comments would since I know squat about photography.


You did not see the comparative work which he made on the photographs of Capitola?
If he had the originals of Big Basin not improved by LMH, he could make the same thing and say, inter alia, if the camera used is the same one as that of Capitola, or not. IMHO, it's important to know.
And even if he is not “expert” photographs some, he knows some sufficiently to be able to discuss with everyone and to bring additional elements of reflexion.

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« Reply #267 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 06:36am »

There is really no semblance of order over there in OMF on those posts though.

1. They take on all subjects at the same time never organizing what it is they are doing.
2. They don't explain the process.
3. He doesn't have the originals to work with but yet comments anyway on inconsistencies.
4. Saladfingers is not helping matters.
5. All photos have been moved about from camera to computer and then to another computer, which finally arrive on the internet so there are 4 steps.
6. Tys are actual photographs that were scanned and we really don't know what LMH did to them outside of cropping, etc.
7. LMH's scanner is dirty.
8. Random questions is not the way. It causes the explanation to go off in too many directions without proper answer.

The list goes on. I think everything he is doing is a shot in the dark and a waste of his time because he does not have what he actually needs to work with. Consequently, comments about such cannot be taken with seriousness.

He probably knows the sound part quite well but what good is it if he doesn't have the originals and what good is it if he has modified originals that have traveled from scanners to two computers and then to the Internet?

For me to stand up and listen, he would have to start all over again on one topic at a time and from the beginning explain exactly what he can do for us and what he can't based on what the topic of conversation is be it Capitola, Isaac, Chad, Big Basin, etc. Too much confusion.

Do you realize that only those in photography have a clue as to what the conversations are all about and the rest are left in the dark.

And then there is my favorite where he makes a comment and then has to retract it because someone in CGI or photography shows him why something happens in the photo.
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« Reply #268 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 06:41am »

We need originals, plain and simple. LMH needs an expert in photography to LOOK at the Ty photos. They're originals. He had them delivered to her instead of sending them via an email. Has she done that? Has she had a real honest go God expert look at them. Who knows"?! This is the absolute very first thing she should have done - months ago.

That is where our problem sits. Bringing in people to look at what we've already got is like spitting in the wind.

Elevenaugust, please don't take this personal, it's only the fault of LMH and nobody else.
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« Reply #269 on: Sep 6th, 2007, 08:21am »

Update to my post of yesterday

My contact is in yellow and "his" expert comments in red

Well, this is why I'm not an image expert. My guess was wrong. Here's what I've gotten on the scan issue;

Nah, a high res scan wouldn't blur it. Nor would it remove all edge traces... that had to have been done deliberately at some point.




He seems pretty confident on that one, so I guess I'll stick with purposefully blurred at some point to hide something as my guess at this point.


Take it for what it is worth

Perhaps the expert is only offering his opinion since he feels it cant possibly be real to him/her

Before the expert knew it was a scan, he had this comment

The image shows none of the telltales of a pure cgi creation. The lighting is absolutely consistent with a real object photographed against a clear daytime sky with the sun behind the camera at roughly a 7:00 position (12:00 being the direction the camera is pointed). Since the pic is a crop from a larger image it's not possible to use the timestamp to compare with actual time of day for sun height angle.The details of surface textures do not break down under high magnification as with applied textures on a cgi object, but are what is seen in magnification on a real metallic object
such as a metal ship hull under natural light.CGI also seems out of the question from the standpoint of file fingerprints. The only graphic prog prints I could find in the file header were for Windows Photo Gallery 6.0 and Photoshop 3.0. The first is just the built in windows photo handler and the photoshop is a really old version not up to the level of work needed to fake such a pic. Creating a CGI at this level of excellence is the sort of thing ILM and Pixar spend hundreds of thousands to do with a full team of specialists and pay through the nose cutting edge software.
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