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« Reply #285 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 09:30am »



I found this very interesting. Keep your eye on the picture toward the end. They throw a Big Basin drone in.

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« Reply #286 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 09:38am »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 07:39am, LangLee wrote:
Oh yeah, one of his first question was did I know where, on what street they were taken.
Has anyone found that out yet ?


Not yet, but Capitola is a small town of less than 10000 people.
I live also a town of 10000 people in France and, even if that represents much work; I think (IMHO) that a checking on the spot could have been possible.
With precise reference marks on the photographs (electric poles), to find the place precise of the photographs had been a good challenge. Moreover, that would have enabled us to make measurements on the spot.
Unfortunately, I do not know anybody (Perhaps a person on OM) living in Capitola or neighbourhood which can (which wants!!) to make this kind of tiresome checking .....
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« Reply #287 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 10:04am »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 07:36am, Marvin wrote:
When it comes to anything CGI, I am not willing to bet any of my money. We need the original photos to really begin to know anything. Otherwise, it is pure speculation if it is fake or real. And it just does not help us to demonstrate to the world that it is real when the photo EXIF source states Photoshop.


Marvin, it seems you might be letting the debunkers get to you. They keep chewing at the truth till you begin doubting yourself.

If you have PhotoShop it makes itself the default picture viewer. So when you connect your camera it automatically opens PS to view and save the pics. It then puts it's own tag in the exif. So just because the exif may have the PS tag does not mean something sneaky has been done.

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« Reply #288 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 10:18am »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 09:38am, elevenaugust wrote:
Not yet, but Capitola is a small town of less than 10000 people.
I live also a town of 10000 people in France and, even if that represents much work; I think (IMHO) that a checking on the spot could have been possible.
With precise reference marks on the photographs (electric poles), to find the place precise of the photographs had been a good challenge. Moreover, that would have enabled us to make measurements on the spot.
Unfortunately, I do not know anybody (Perhaps a person on OM) living in Capitola or neighbourhood which can (which wants!!) to make this kind of tiresome checking .....


I will check it out sometime in the future. I think I might even be able to locate Raj's inlaws (don't think I will but I know it could be done). I don't think it would be too hard.
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« Reply #289 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 10:56am »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 10:04am, Latitude wrote:
Marvin, it seems you might be letting the debunkers get to you. They keep chewing at the truth till you begin doubting yourself.

If you have PhotoShop it makes itself the default picture viewer. So when you connect your camera it automatically opens PS to view and save the pics. It then puts it's own tag in the exif. So just because the exif may have the PS tag does not mean something sneaky has been done.





Just as I try to be more open and trusting, I get these little reminders:

I was watching Ghost Hunters last night, they were visiting a Hotel in Arkansas where a con artist had pushed a fake cancer cure, and hundreds of people died.

Why would someone do such a thing (just for money)? You’ve got to know these people trusted this person with their life and then paid the ultimate price for giving that trust.

It is not the debunkers (I think you make it too simple), it is the world we live in. There is always someone who is looking to do something, for personal gain or personal pleasure.

Since this is the world we live in, my trust has to be earned.
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« Reply #290 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 11:30am »

on Sep 6th, 2007, 8:19pm, DrDil wrote:
But don’t you wish you knew what it appears LMH knows?

I feel that it’s beyond the realms of possibility that LMH has received all of these, “Professional” emails claiming to further advance the credibility of the entire Isaac saga, and hasn’t once thought,

“Hmm I’m 100% sure I have the real deal here, in fact I could single-handedly force full disclosure!! I may as well have them authenticated so that they are beyond reproach by handing out a couple of the ACTUAL photographs to trusted friends and experts in the relevant fields.”

Even if this entailed supervising the images every step of the way, the ends surely justifies the means?

We all know LMH is a very shrewd operator; she had to have been to attain the loyal following, semi-celebrity status and media power that she wields today. Sure she’s had her ups and downs, her wins and losses, but that’s what happens when you conduct your investigations in, “Real time” and in the public eye. (This may also explain the hesitance to publish her findings so quickly this time around, whatever those findings may be.)

If anything this makes LMH more likely to verify any evidence personally, as she’s a tough cookie and should be very hard to fool (again), remember the (Southern I think) old adage immortalised by Bush’s less than perfect recital,

“Fool me twice, fool on me.”

Or perhaps she hasn’t been fooled at all. Perhaps we are the fools and the joke is on us!!

So do we not credit LMH with practising one of what surely must be a fundamental and the most basic of protocols, i.e. get everything independently verified!! (Then ideally get at least a second -and hopefully corroborating- opinion/hypothesis!!)

Can we really safely assume that LMH hasn’t had any of the Big Basin images checked out?


Who knows, this could be why they can’t be released to the baying crowd of forum members, CGI experts etc. because they are already doing the rounds with the relevant experts.

Personally I don’t think this is the case but I do think that LMH would have had an independent analysis done on at least ONE of the original images by now, even if just for her own piece of mind before she pushes forward with any more disclosures from Isaac.

So, if you’ll further indulge me in this thought process, then I feel it at least alludes to the possibility that LMH knows, “Something” she doesn’t as yet want to reveal. “Something” she may have known since she received the Big Basin images, but that, “Something” wouldn’t keep the subscribers happy so she humoured all involved and sent a particularly nasty email to Isaac knowing full well that he is no more a whistle blower than the Big Basin Drones are, “Huge” in size?

Or maybes she pre-warned Isaac then purposefully misled the PTB into thinking that her and Isaac aren't as close as they are, or that they aren't in contact?

Maybes I grossly underestimate LMH, maybes even as I type this she’s putting together irrefutable evidence and irrevocable proof that will conclusively determine the origins and credibility of the, “2007 Drone Flap,” one way or another.
But somehow I doubt it..............

Possibly part of the reason that she has still failed to release the images is that it will prove conclusively what her unannounced status is in the disclosure game, whether that be the, “Player” or the, “Played.”

"Don’t hate the player/s, hate the game?" grin




This is a great post!
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« Reply #291 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 12:25pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 07:39am, LangLee wrote:
I have a professional photog going over the Rajman/Capitola pics.
He stood in silence for 5 minutes as he went over it in front of me, he stated that there is nothing in the photo that tells him the object wasn't there as photgraphed.
He took the copies I gave him and I expect to see him this afternoon.
Oh yeah, one of his first question was did I know where, on what street they were taken.
Has anyone found that out yet ?
His comment on the BB pics was that it looks too funky to be trusted fully, with the white background it's difficult to determine if any manipulation had taken place. He said if any pics tell the story it will be the Rajman pics.
I have to agree, but that's me.


Good job, LangLee. Yes the Ty photos are not very good (look how spoiled we are now). Ato has already explain the white background. Steven's pics corroborate the white background. Ty may have used a cheap pocket Instamatic or disposable film camera. Then LMH scanned those 5x7s. So the Hi res is actually a blow up from a small low res picture. Steven's photos are of better quality but the drone is very distant. The Raj and Chad pics are the best for analysis. Did you give your expert the Hi res large size versions of the Raj/Chad?
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« Reply #292 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 12:51pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 12:53am, Latitude wrote:
I saw this ufo report on Nuforc.



Could (s)he be describing this?
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well I wonder which Klingon ship she was referring to. From original Star Trek series, probably not if they are just now in college.... maybe Next Generation klingon ship. I will try and find one.
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« Reply #293 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 1:11pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 02:34am, nekitamo wrote:
What I really mean is you can't have an independent analysis if LMH, C2C or such are anywhere in the loop. Not if it's their bread and butter.


I think you missed the point I was making (or I missed yours!! grin)

Of course you can have an independent analysis with either of the above parties involved, but as to whether LMH would publish it relies solely on whether it’s corroboratory evidence.

What I was trying to say without actually spelling it out was that I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that LMH hasn’t had any of the original images analysed.

For example lets say she has had them analysed and the conclusion was that the images are beyond reproach and actually show what they purport to show, i.e. a Drone. Obviously then the next course of action would be to organize a press conference and, “Go public” in every sense of the phrase!! Personally if I was at the helm I would make it my sole purpose to ensure that there wouldn’t be a country in the world where at least one of the major newspapers weren’t running this story.

I also believe this is achievable, especially with the current media climate surrounding the UFO phenomenon, as even over the last three years I have witnessed first hand the choke hold on the media regarding UFO’s gradually being slackened, indeed recently I’ve even seen some UFO reports on mainstream media AND THEY’VE NEVER ONCE REFERENCED THE X-FILES (or used the X-Files title theme as background music.) This is an astronomical leap forward if you look at UFO reports from only five years ago.

Of course, every now and then in the past, a journalist would pop up who had a little integrity and presented a factual report on a UFO sighting but these were few and far between, now (in my opinion) they are becoming more the rule than the exception that proves it. In summary I’m trying to say that if you had what you believed was authenticated and verifiable proof of life beyond earth then the worlds media would sit up and listen!!

BUT, that wasn’t so much what I was getting at as I believe that LMH would have had these images professionally analysed by now, what I was getting at is there could be an easily recognizable error in the original images which becomes impossible to detect once they are manipulated (cropped, resized, sharpened etc.) for posting to a website. And it’s because of an error such as this that LMH has turned her back on the community that she’s SUPPOSED TO SPEAK FOR. Or at least the community she represents in some small way, and to people who are observing from outside the community LMH is probably seen as the more presentable and respectable side of UFOlogy!! (Even if it’s an obviously tainted and diluted view.)

Because after seeing her sporadic reporting on Isaac and the Drones (now you see it, now you don’t!!) there must be some reason that we are not aware of that LMH consistently blows hot and cold over the whole issue. And if you accept that LMH would have had these images analyzed by now (which I do) what other reasons could there be for her not reporting in a more professional and investigative style?

I feel this has gone well beyond the realms of jealousy and getting, “One over” on her critical and cynical peers, I feel as I have said before that this failure to release the images for investigation plants her firmly in the unenviable position of lead conspirator.

Hopefully if she ever visits any UFO forums she may see one of the many posts that are similar to this one and may realise that the people who used to look to her for answers no longer even factor her into the equation.

I think I may credit her perceptiveness a little too much though and the chances are she’d just sneer at any such criticism and simply keep up the pretence of being a credible reporter, while ignoring any and all requests for knowledge THAT SHE WAS TRUSTED TO CONVEY!! As remember, we are not asking her to break anyone’s trust because she was passed this information FOR THE SOLE REASON OF PUBLISHING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY!!

She is acting unethically and betraying the trust from those who looked to her for answers as well as the trust of every single person who has emailed her regarding the Drones, yes that even includes the anonymous and, “Professional people” who see fit to waste their time contacting her. And the recent experts who frequented the forums have tried to answer intelligently questions that are asked of them, but all of them within a couple of days or so have stated that they need the originals.

Wouldn’t now would be the perfect time to share the wealth that LMH s currently hording?

Unless of course there’s something she doesn’t want us to see…………..
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« Reply #294 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 2:22pm »

DrDil...you should email that post to her!
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« Reply #295 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 2:25pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 2:22pm, murnut wrote:
DrDil...you should email that post to her!


DrDil, I agree with murnut, you should send both of your LMH posts today.
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« Reply #296 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 3:09pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 1:11pm, DrDil wrote:
I think you missed the point I was making (or I missed yours!! grin)

Of course you can have an independent analysis with either of the above parties involved, but as to whether LMH would publish it relies solely on whether it’s corroboratory evidence.

What I was trying to say without actually spelling it out was that I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that LMH hasn’t had any of the original images analysed.

For example lets say she has had them analysed and the conclusion was that the images are beyond reproach and actually show what they purport to show, i.e. a Drone. Obviously then the next course of action would be to organize a press conference and, “Go public” in every sense of the phrase!! [...]

Wouldn’t now would be the perfect time to share the wealth that LMH s currently hording?

Unless of course there’s something she doesn’t want us to see…………..


Absolutly, I agree 100%.
We have all much difficulties to make establish the truth and the silence of LMH at our requests can only seem doubtful, and hide something.
Thus, by her inactivity and her silence towards the ufologic community, she accredits the thesis of the fake.

She cannot thus continue any more to let settle the doubt and suspicion.....
Perhaps she thinks that the forums ufologic have only little influence on her audience?
I really do not know if it is true in the USA, but in Europe, certainly more.
All the debates on the anglophone forums are retranscribed in French and much Europeans have only one reliable information source: "Ovnis-Usa".
In France everyone say: “it's the fault of LMH if research cannot advance ....... she categorically refuses to share photographs HR ...... Until when will last she stubbornness? ..... and so on….”

LMH should be wary of the negative repercussions on the general opinion that her silence and her inaction could involve.
That could even, in the long term, more detrimental being, than to acknowledge that a proven and analyzed fake is the cause of all that.

Just MHO, of course but.....not only mine....

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« Reply #297 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 5:05pm »

on Sep 7th, 2007, 08:19am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Here is another typical California white sky, which is actually the worst kind of pollution.
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Looks like March AFB, the 52s give it away. Been there, done that.
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« Reply #298 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 5:10pm »

Don't have a clue. It said California and I recognized that smog. That's all we were looking for was that overly white sky.
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« Reply #299 on: Sep 7th, 2007, 5:33pm »

A closer look at the Hi res BB drone.

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