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« Reply #330 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:46pm »

yea i've been following this whole thing from almost day1.. Though alot is fuzzy.. Thank you for that clarification.

I guess it could feel fake to me cause the drone materials in that pic does not behave as stuff i'm used to see. Could be entirely different optical effects..
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« Reply #331 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:47pm »

And don't forget there was this too.
Barksdale AFB, Louisiana - 1987 Airshow - Anonymous witnesses
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http://www.earthfiles333.com/earthfiles/Episode17mp3.html
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« Reply #332 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:49pm »

ATO,

I have had a theory for some time:

1. All of the drone photos and Isaac is real.

2. All of the drone photos and Isaac is fake.

3. One of the drones (photos) are real, the rest are designed to make them all appear to be fake.

Just some food for thought.
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« Reply #333 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:49pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:46pm, r0ni wrote:
yea i've been following this whole thing from almost day1.. Though alot is fuzzy.. Thank you for that clarification.

I guess it could feel fake to me cause the drone materials in that pic does not behave as stuff i'm used to see. Could be entirely different optical effects..


It's quite a few years older too though. This is the one that the military could have built though and were testing. We're guessing of course but if that guy really did see it in an AFB then it exists or he's lieing. Hard to take your pick sometimes these days.
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« Reply #334 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:54pm »

Clarification: Have only followed it since a couple days after isaac released his documents. smiley

Im'a believer, i think Isaac is real. Though im not adamant about anything.. I wish one had the cash to go out and research all this stuff around the world.. Must be some rich folks out there who's totally interested in the ufo phenomenon.. I wonder where they are..

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« Reply #335 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:54pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:27pm, Marvin wrote:
In my opinion, having these “hooks” and brackets on the drone scream human, not alien.


My point was though that CGI people wouldn't have added such brackets. They would have hindered their intention.
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« Reply #336 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 6:57pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:54pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
My point was though that CGI people wouldn't have added such brackets. They would have hindered their intention.


From my study, it does not appear to be CGI. If it is not real, it would have to be a large model. But I firmly believe it is a real object in the photo (if the drone is real or not).
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« Reply #337 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:04pm »

I did something today and I hope it pans out. We happen to have the equivalent to an Einstein in here. He pops in occasionally to check his thread but never really looks around.

Since anti-gravity would just thrill him to death, I sent him a PM that briefly outlined Isaac. Gave him a picture and a few addresses re: Isaac and the Big Basin drones.

Hopefully, he'll find the time to read the Isaac email and look at the linguistic primers and artifacts as well as the drones. He understands English excellent so there is no problem there.

Here is a bit about him (click into the other links inside too) if you want to get to know him a better. You might even think about responding to him in his thread and doing a little begging for me because I know it would be a plus to have him here in with the dronies. grin

If you think that Isaac's stuff is 'out there', wait until you see what Mohammad Mansouryar is into. He's further 'out there'. He's a 24-year-old prodigy Iranian Einstein, which is the title given to him by the media.

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« Reply #338 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:19pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 6:27pm, Marvin wrote:
It is not easy to have a strong opinion and an open mind at the same time. This is the position you must have if indeed you are truly interested in the truth – if you are a believer or not.



I agree with Marvin that the goal is to find the truth. Opinions are fine if they remain working hypotheses, but beliefs are self-limiting. Should new observations/data/reevaluations/revelations come along, they need to be accepted on their merits. The hypotheses must be altered to fit the new information. If Saladfingers is able to create a computer graphics image (CGI) indistinguishable from the drone photos, then that information has to be incorporated into the hypothesis. We would know that the drone images could be CGI, but we still wouldn't know if they are CGI. So, if he is successful, I would applaud Saladfingers for advancing the investigation. This is my opinion.
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« Reply #339 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:28pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:19pm, Nodnunk wrote:
I agree with Marvin that the goal is to find the truth. Opinions are fine if they remain working hypotheses, but beliefs are self-limiting. Should new observations/data/reevaluations/revelations come along, they need to be accepted on their merits. The hypotheses must be altered to fit the new information. If Saladfingers is able to create a computer graphics image (CGI) indistinguishable from the drone photos, then that information has to be incorporated into the hypothesis. We would know that the drone images could be CGI, but we still wouldn't know if they are CGI. So, if he is successful, I would applaud Saladfingers for advancing the investigation. This is my opinion.


I agree with you Nodnunk.

But let me remind everyone, we tread on thin ice with fragile evidence. If the Casebook of any member has any original photos, it would be great to post them "as they are" for study. We have to follow the evidence and facts where they lead us. It should not be a matter of belief or opinion, but of knowledge.
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« Reply #340 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:32pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:19pm, Nodnunk wrote:
If Saladfingers is able to create a computer graphics image (CGI) indistinguishable from the drone photos, then that information has to be incorporated into the hypothesis.

But he can't. That's just it. He can only come close. He has hurt more then helped.
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I would applaud Saladfingers for advancing the investigation. This is my opinion.

Applaud away, he's hindered the whole ufo community and not just Isaac. Try sending a UFO to a UFO website these days. Guess what the first thing out of their mouth is? Gee, is this another CGI UFO? It wasn't that way just three months ago. We did not have these problems now we have so much junk being sent our way it's pathetic.

If he wants to spend time analyzing with everyone else that's one thing but to sit there and continually throw CGI possibilities in our face is another and that's futile except that he's turned people away from the drone and Isaac story. That's all he's really accomplished.
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« Reply #341 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:35pm »

You won't find the truth, because of the careful work done by many ego ridden individuals masquerading as experts especially in the field of computer graphics. Not one of these "experts" have shown their own credentials while demanding that any witness that dares take a photo and submit it bare all. The notorious Leviathan said every word at the beginning that is now being rehashed as new at OMF. This is being said by the main suspect of the hoax himself, Salad. No, shadow I am not leviathan. In the future, no one in their right mind will dare to submit a good photo, because the "know-it-all experts" will pounce upon them like the ravining wolves they are. ATO when do you plan to ban me? Come on pm me, what madame have I done that goes against your authority?
I give myself less than 2 days.
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« Reply #342 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:36pm »

Well, it looks like I've got to join here to speak to you. I hope you can find the time to read my reply (here and on OMF).

I feel like you are demonising me. If you have honestly read all of my posts, then you shouldn't have the opinion you do. Unfortunately, you read them with the opinion you have (without even saying anything to me!) and so would only really take in the bits that fit with how you feel about me.

I don't understand why you had to get so dramatic about all this. Why didn't you say something to me on the side in a private message?? I can take a hint.

I am not this twisted individual that you seem to think I am. I don't be nice to butter people up.. I'm nice because I grew up in a warm and good family, with great friends and people around me. I haven't really got a bad bone in my body.

I think it needs to be understood, (and if you read all of my posts you should have read this) that the likes of Leviathan, and others attacked me very harshly about my point of view.. and charged me with a task of making a perfect copy of the images of the drones.
But nothing i did was ever good enough for them...
instead they felt belittling me was far more fun. So I was attacked into a corner.. which actually made me fight harder.

So don't put everything on me.. the hardcore believers in the drone case actually made me work exceptionally hard to show my side of the coin.

I never even wanted to get so involved.

Even you are guilty of this. Only yesterday you said...

" You have a long ways to go if you're trying to duplicate, which is what you would have to do in order to make it convincing."

So.. there you go. You say something like that.. and what do you think I feel? What do you think it makes me strive to do?

I feel like.. is my work that bad? Guess i'll have to put some more time into it. So I think you need to understand all of it. I certainly don't want to make enemies, and I don't want to turn people away from this case.

I don't know where you get your figures from as to the hundreds i have turned away. But I suggest to you that these people would have done that irrelevant of what I did. Otherwise you are suggesting that I actually have a very convincing argument! I just don't understand where you are coming from.

So anyway, can we make peace? I don't really think i deserve the way you have spoken about me... and certainly not in the manner that you did. You could have said something long ago, and I would have listened.

Instead you have penned it all up inside and burst it out.. and not even to my face.. behind my back.

So please.. let's get this sorted because life is far too short.

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« Reply #343 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:39pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:35pm, interocitor wrote:
In the future, no one in their right mind will dare to submit a good photo, because the "know-it-all experts" will pounce upon them like the ravining wolves they are.

That's exactly right and that's the problem.
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ATO when do you plan to ban me? Come on pm me, what madame have I done that goes against your authority? I give myself less than 2 days.


You keep speaking your mind I'll never ban you. You stay closed mouth and let them all get away with it then I'll think about it. ROFLMSO

LOL, do you realize how rare that is here. Gosh, maybe two people in the last year (not counting spammers). We aren't ban happy. But, I have been known to use idle threats. lol
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« Reply #344 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:41pm »

Do you know what I can't do and boy it's killing me?

I can't post all of the PMs I've received in just the past two hours thanking me for saying exactly what they wanted to say but didn't.

No negatives, all positives and numerous. So you see, saladfingers I think over estimated his welcome over there.
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