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« Reply #360 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:15pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:07pm, MarkM wrote:
LOL! Creating convincing CG images is a complex and time consuming process and top notch software isn't cheap. it's not the "kids" we have to worry about.

Breath and think about this for a minute... although some CGI is phenomenal, the majority - even that found in mega-budget Hollywood movies - is lacking one very important element, life. It's "soulless" for lack of a better word. Look at what Kris has done, then look at the BB hi res photo. Do you see (or is it feel) what I mean? the CGI is very pretty and impressive, perfect even. But for all it's 3D rendering it's still flat. What we need to do is learn to see with more than just our eyes. Can you feel the truth when you look at a photograph? It is possible , and with far more accuracy than one might think.

We can only move forward. Either we learn these "new" observational skills, or we throw up our hands in frustration.


I'm aware of all that. I didn't mean kid, kids. I'm old so a kid to me is 35 years old. lol

It's the multitudes that have gone the CGI UFO route though because everybody seems to think they gotta get their youtube in before they die or something. Besides, we don't have to look too awful hard right now but someday we will. And worse yet are the copy cats that take what could be factual and try and duplicate it because they feel a need to inform an ignorant public who might not be as ignorant as they think. In the process of doing so, they've now attracted a big audience that jumps on their band wagon and begin to do the same and here comes the snowball.
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« Reply #361 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:18pm »

MarkM: Exactly, that is something i wanted to say but could not get the words for it.. Thank you!
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« Reply #362 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:19pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:18pm, r0ni wrote:
MarkM: Exactly, that is something i wanted to say but could not get the words for it.. Thank you!


Mark always has the words. And Mark, I'm not angry anymore. I just kicked my dog. I'm fine now. lol
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« Reply #363 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:21pm »

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is lacking one very important element, life. It's "soulless" for lack of a better word.


But Mark, then the CGI people go and hang it from a bunch of invisible wires with life behind and around it or whatever other excuse the have to use.
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« Reply #364 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:23pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:07pm, MarkM wrote:
Breath and think about this for a minute... although some CGI is phenomenal, the majority - even that found in mega-budget Hollywood movies - is lacking one very important element, life. It's "soulless" for lack of a better word.


So true, Mark. I got into an argument on the Mufon forum about this same topic and I mentioned the same things you are saying. This cgi guy produced a cgi picture of a knight and he was raving about how real it looked. I replied that it did not look real and that it looked like something that should be standing in a wax museum right next to the wax Elvis.

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« Reply #365 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:43pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:19pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Mark always has the words. And Mark, I'm not angry anymore. I just kicked my dog. I'm fine now. lol




You kicked your dog and thought it was funny?
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« Reply #366 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:53pm »

the drones has been determined natural,constucted byman from ET tech.even CG has undoutedly traveled by way of the roswell crash. so simply put we have to start back with the natural ways to determine fakeryor hoaxs tru our own expert senses and those expert analises in the field. that is with calm and without anziety, which confuse more, and drains energy away from the task at hand. so if this is for us to know one way or another it will surly come forth. take care all just listening to you all the perfesionals. grin
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« Reply #367 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 9:54pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:43pm, BuzZz777 wrote:
You kicked your dog and thought it was funny?


LOL, me kick a doggie. No way. I love animals. I was being facetious. Check these out. Found them last night. So funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3dHi_o7Yw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qit3ALTelOo&feature=dir

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« Reply #368 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:12pm »

You know what.. I would have definatley done things different. The real problem is that no one said anything!

Honestly Atrueoriginal, I'm not this monster you think I am. As Mark said, it all got stuck in a loop. There is no script, and no rule book to all of this. The drones are a unique case. There isn't another like it.

If it wasn't me who tackled this from the CG side of things, it would have been someone else. The real problem, is that I was being told by all the believers that the only way to prove that it is CG is to recreate it perfectly.
So I gave it a good shot. Like Mark says.. the eyes know.. and CG can lack life. To me though, the original chad drone had that exact feel about it.

So anyway, back to what i was saying... I was being asked to create a perfect replica. But what ever i offered was never real enough. I know that replication isn't proof, so does anyone. But the challenge was set, and I was, and still am fascinated by the drones.

It isn't my fault that my artform is CG. I work on what I am interested in, what inspires me. So creating the drones seemed like a really great challenge. If you were me, you'd feel the same.

My recent work has all been for a music video (for drone the musician) who wrote a piece of music about the drones. We have since become good friends, and the music video is kind of my way of bringing this unconcluded case to a conclusion, because I need to get on with my life!
The A1 unit is for the video, and was never meant to prove anything.. but I was shocked to see how identical the shadows were. The BB drone I've been working on is also for the video. I had to update that because the old one didn't look good enough. This vid is going on my showreel, and I want it to look good.. ya know? It is my job after all.

I don't know. I find this whole thing bizarre, and I totally understand your perspective on this. I'm really sorry for the way I have made you feel. I'd prefer to move forward than backward, and all this back biting makes me sick to the stomach, because I'm not like that. I hate confrontation, and I also hate upsetting people.
I hope we can move forward.

Just please, if you have something to say about me, please bring it to me first so we can talk about it. If the tables were turned, I don't think you would enjoy it very much either.

As for Interocitor... I won't waste my time. He clearly has his mind made up, and has created some very wild fantasy about me. Strange lad.
No doubt this is the "prepared script" he wanted lol shocked laugh

keep cool all

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« Reply #369 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:38pm »

on Sep 8th, 2007, 9:54pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
LOL, me kick a doggie. No way. I love animals. I was being facetious.



Thats Strange.. just taken in a cat myself.. never had a cat before.. a young stray that was living with the foxies... just so cute.
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« Reply #370 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 07:39am »

Whatís happened to this thread? undecided

If itís 90% UFO/Alien orientated then shouldnít we get off the character assassinations?

Or why not just admit defeat and open a mutual forum/member flaming thread like RU?

I sensed this was coming yesterday when reading ATOís comments over at OMF, Saladfingers has become a bone of contention with many people on many forums and why? For what reason, to what ends? Does anyone here REALLY believe that heís a hoaxer who created any of these Drones? If they do I suggest they provide evidence, (as well as an explanation as to why he canít replicate it) and if they donít think heís the perpetrator then whatís the big problem?

I feel itís unfair to the point of persecution to lay the blame for all things CGI at the door of Saladfingers, I also feel he shouldnít be championed as the leading authority on CGI for he freely admits there are thousands out there who are capable of better or the same. And from what I can see all this flaming is achieving is turning Saladfingers into an involuntary martyr to the cause, and if history has taught us anything itís that the martyrs are always remembered.

If people here really feel that strongly about Saladfingers why the need to state it publicly, as after the way Saladfingers handled himself over at OMF it was something of a foregone conclusion that he would join this forum to further defend himself, in fact Iíd have been more surprised if he didnít. I also wonder if Saladfingers was pro-Drone would we even be having this discussion?

I honestly believe that if Saladfingers had never joined the Drone threads on any forum we would be no further forward than we are now, in fact if anything we would probably simply be less CGI-savvy. If it wasnít Saladfingers it would have been someone else and possibly someone as misguided and patronising as Lev who tried to pass CGI off as Drones and justify it by alluding to the fact that itís, ďAn educational experiment.Ē

In all honestly, I personally feel Iíve learned more about CGI, researching and general image analysis (not to mention the mentality, actions and reactions of people inside and outside the UFO community) in the last three months than Iíve learned in the last year or so, this accelerated learning curve is surely only a good thing?

Slowly but surely the more the Drone saga progresses I see more and more parallels that have burdened UFOlogy since its inception, only a more condensed version in which every facet is evolving at a lightning pace (as if viewed through an introspective microscope.) And being able to watch this first hand is a privilege Iím sure many donít as yet fully appreciate. Itís a little like a UFOlogy case study, but until we recognize and address the problems that have hindered our predecessors, not only are destined to repeat them, I fear we may never learn from them and that really would be a crime.

Also, as the discussion/s continues the more I see all of the problems with organized and institutionalised religion manifesting itself. I feel this is solely down to the belief factor and nothing else. Belief in something that (as yet) canít be proven is fundamentally just faith and as such is unique to the beholder. Faith canít be taught and beliefs canít be sold (try as some people might) so we reach an inevitable dead-end, this has happened throughout the ages and the results are never pretty.

Ultimately, unless we recognize and accept the inevitable fact that different people will have differing views and until we start to respect each others opinions, talents and beliefs then this destructive cycle is destined to infinitely repeat in an ever increasing vicious circle, UFOlogys very own self-destructive and perpetual war of attrition in which there can be no victors, only varying degrees of losersÖÖÖÖÖ
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« Reply #371 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 08:06am »

I posted this at OMF:
" I am sad AlienContactee left, i feel she opened a window and i'd like to openly speak my mind here ,because i agree mostly with what she says.
I guess the support of Admin towards SaladF was too much for the ufologist in her.
Admin's choices are his own and i respect that. The real openmindness here is the freedom to speak up, accepting others with their differences and their purposes on this board.
If i dont agree with the sensed "purposes" then, i just do not participate.

Its been a month now that i stopped reading SaladF's posts ,as i felt he was sort of "hijacking" everythread of the Drone board and, mainly because i found some familiar flavor here , with some articles i had read about ATS and CoIntelPro . The method seemed identical.

More than a year ago, Bill Ryan pointed in the direction of Laura Knight Jadczyk's site : www.signs-of-the-times.org/ ;who was writing articles about the subject.
These papers (6 of them) are now in the site's archives, january, march 2006 ,in a blog form . Its a rather long read ,and i read it all ,the exemples used to illustrate are not from UFO ,but politics and 9/11.
CoIntelPro

I'll just mention 2 sentences , from the articles written by Laura Jadczyk ,that i found relevant to what AlienContactee said :
"Again we point out : Debunkers are sent in only when damage control is needed. And damage control is only needed when it is thought that there might be damage "
btw,this would mean here that the Drones are real !

" Debunkers are sent in, not to give answers to the outstanding questions, but to push the emotional buttons of the public, to reassure people who really want a " reason to believe " that their government is not lying to them "

I really admire the work done by the ThinkTanker's group and SalaF's work was needed UP TO A POINT; for them.
Digital pics cant prove a thing. At least we know that after a 3 months " battle " .
What i keep in my mind with a big smile for SaladF is " hulk " and " cg for Leviathans " real gifts here .

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Now, anyone can shoot, i spoke my mind and feelings ; so ; all IMO
i will double post this in CBK, doing a breach with my no double posts.Not a word changed.
Peace to all of us.
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« Reply #372 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 08:25am »

[quote author=DrDil link=board=drone&num=1188266784&start=373#24 date=1189341541
In all honestly, I personally feel Iíve learned more about CGI, researching and general image analysis (not to mention the mentality, actions and reactions of people inside and outside the UFO community) in the last three months than Iíve learned in the last year or so, this accelerated learning curve is surely only a good thing?
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DrDill :I agree with you for the above, i learned about photography and CG, 2 topics i knew nothing about .

My post doesnt fit too well after yours ,i just wrote on OMF that i 'd post it here too ;so i did. pardon me.
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« Reply #373 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 09:01am »

Raska, I thought your post was excellent


Edit to add, somehow missed the good Doctor's post
which is also excellent

IMO, we need to get over this and move forward
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« Reply #374 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 09:02am »

on Sep 9th, 2007, 08:25am, raska wrote:
DrDill :I agree with you for the above, i learned about photography and CG, 2 topics i knew nothing about .

My post doesnt fit too well after yours ,i just wrote on OMF that i 'd post it here too ;so i did. pardon me.

Donít worry about it smiley, I seen your post over at OMF and expected it would be the next one, now everyone has had their say hopefully we can ALL move forward.
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