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« Reply #435 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 09:58am »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 09:20am, want2bleive wrote:
God help us, SaladF***** is here to push his crap, cg...


Wrong.

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Listen salad.. you stuff is not real... dahhh... you are a boring comercial in a good movie... you are here to divert attention... you should be wearing your "cause daddy didn't hugg me T-shirt"


Prove it isn't real. Show me method. Is your only proof because i told you so? Are you really that amazing to be able to tell the difference? I think that is arrogant.

Quite what 'daddy' has to do with it I don't know. Oooh, you are saying I don't get enough attention. lol. Well you go on believing that. I couldn't give a flying pair of dingos kidneys about attention. You take it or leave it. It is up to you. But personally, i ask that you give much greater credence to what I present, because it doesn't muddy the water.. it shows a direct, and realistic possibility. I do not want to hear any more of this.. a CG image can't come close. It does, it has.

Why do you want to stop reasonable research?

Atruebeliever actually prompted me to create that work. As she is so insistent that I don't answer everyones questions, then maybe i am making an effort to do so.

Here.. she wrote...
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And don't forget all of the fine details. You've got a ton of work ahead of you.

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But I think it is looking pretty convincing personally.

She put...
Ummm, no. Not yet anyway. You have a long ways to go if you're trying to duplicate, which is what you would have to do in order to make it convincing.


So hey.. talk to those that ask me to do these things.

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... If it's attention you're looking for... go stand out on a ledge....


Gosh, quite the aggressive piece of work. Suggesting I top myself eh. Wow.. the UFO community needs people like you.

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I left OMF because I was just tired of hearing from you........ Now I'm considering leaving here also or just continuing to skip all of your post.....


You are welcome to skip all of my posts.. bye bye! If you aren't able to hold a discussion, or bring your dismay to me directly.. well.. if all you can do is run away, then what are you going to add to the discussion? Have some courage of your convictions Want2bleive. If you think it is real... then shout it at the top of your voice.. and then find some way of disproving my view, or proving yours. That is what this is all about!

Don't you want the truth?

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listen buddy, you and your cg cannot convince anyone, you can not come close to the BB, an it seems that you have BB envy lol,,,, basically you are a joke to people who have seen the real deal... get a clue...


It can't convince anyone huh? That is a very confident proclamation! I guess you must have spoken to everyone in the world that has seen it then huh? Or is it just your opinion?

If I am a joke, then why are people so worried? If my CG is so bad, and it can't come close or convince anyone.. why are you worried?

I have seen the real deal. To tell it accurately, as ATO said I saw it out of the corner of my eye. I don't know where she got that from, as I never said it. I was actually looking right in the direction of it at the time. That is how I have such a clear and vivid memory of it.

So don't talk to me about the real deal. I've seen it, and I know the reality. Now all I want is to find out what information out there should be believed, and what shouldn't be. Is that so wrong?

Kris

p.s. here is what I wrote about my sighting, in full.


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I've mentioned my personal experience before, and I know this is a bit off topic, but I just want to talk about it briefly, as I have been considering it after reading some things in here.

It is a very simple tale. I was looking out of my bedroom window (about 8 years ago I think) having a cigarette. I'd often do this, as I don't like smoking where I sleep. It would also give me a few minutes to relax, and lookup at the stars. Back then i was in the middle of the countryside, so loads of stars.. lovely!
Anyway, so there I was, doing my usual, when totally out of the blue, a square of light flew right over the house (well, about 5- 600 metres to the right of the house ) and over the horizon in what would have to be about a tenth of a second!
I mean it really was, blink and I'd have missed it, it was that fast!!

As fast as it was, it was still extremely clear. No trail, nothing, just a square light, as bright as a camera flash.

Now to the point i was considering. I had never really thought to work out how fast it was actually going before. So I did a little math.

The land is pretty flat to the point it disappeared, and I'd say it travelled about a mile in a tenth of a second. Honestly.

Sooo, if it travelled approx a mile in a tenth of a second, it travelled 10 miles in a second. 600 miles in a minute!!!

So down to the miles an hour... (drum roll please... dbdbdbdbdbd)

36000 miles an hour!!! THIRTY SIX THOUSAND MILES AN HOUR!

That would mean it could travel around the Earth and back again in about 50 minutes.


My conclusion is that man has not got the technology or science to achieve that, or at least not without ETs help. So to me this has proved the existence of ET, and an alien visit to this planet.
I also realise how lucky i am to have seen it. Unfortunately, every time I share this with friends, I get the very real feeling that they think I am just making it up, or saw a shooting star, airplane etc. Without someone else seeing the same thing, it is impossible to describe the very real moment.

I know it wasn't a big saucer floating past my window, but I think it was probably better. It exhibited a speed which could offer no other explanation... as close to proof that I could have ever hoped for.

I've also mentioned before that i have only ever read a single other case of what i saw. graham Birdsall, the late editor of UFO magazine (UK), saw and described the exact same thing, and more or less came to the same conclusion. I really need to look that article out. I've got tonnes of the mags though, so will take me a long time. Still, reading that about 5 years later was so good, because i had started to feel like maybe i just imagined it.

Anyway, sorry for the off topic post, but i really felt like writing about it. THIRTY SIX THOUSAND MILES AN HOUR... minimum 20000.

Amazing.



Please don't edit this ATO.. i understand why you did, but I don't think it helps much... sorry second edit... I thought you had editted want2bleives post as I saw that it had changed. But that was edited by himself.

Btw, I also wasn't having a go at you. I just thought you were trying to maintain order.

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« Reply #436 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 10:45am »

I'll actually add one more thing to this, and then i will leave you to do whatever it is you feel you ought to.

Those that don't like me, and are dismayed at the images I have created, I say this. You have to be coming from a biased view point.

The search for truth doesn't have bias. It either is or it isn't.

I am biased to the reality that this could be quite likely a big hoax, perpetrated by a CG artist, or group. But I also readily accept that I could be completely wrong. I feel strongly about my bias, but I am not convinced 100 percent. But I know that it is entirely possible. That is what I am trying to show.

I am not trying to prove it is CG.. full stop. I am trying to show that it is entirely possible. That we should not trust to hope.

God knows there is enough craziness out there, and false information as it is. If we can achieve a slice of truth on what is a cornerstone case, then it is a remarkable achievement.
I don't have anything bad to actually say about anyone.. I don't actually know you. Passion for the subject of UFOs is extremely encouraging, and I am so glad that we are not alone in the world.

But the truth is the core issue. We can believe everything, or we can believe nothing. But all of the shades in between are where all of the beautiful detail lies.

Truth is all that i ask. Not hope. Not dreams. Reality, not fiction. Is that such a wrong pursuit? We should all share that common goal, irrelevant of our further beliefs.

I don't want to believe. I want to know. Full stop.

Take care everyone, and i am sorry to those i upset. I do honestly mean that, and I hope you will accept it.

Kindest regards.

Kris
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« Reply #437 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 11:11am »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 10:45am, Saladfingers wrote:
I'll actually add one more thing to this, and then i will leave you to do whatever it is you feel you ought to.

Those that don't like me, and are dismayed at the images I have created, I say this. You have to be coming from a biased view point.

The search for truth doesn't have bias. It either is or it isn't.

I am biased to the reality that this could be quite likely a big hoax, perpetrated by a CG artist, or group. But I also readily accept that I could be completely wrong. I feel strongly about my bias, but I am not convinced 100 percent. But I know that it is entirely possible. That is what I am trying to show.

I am not trying to prove it is CG.. full stop. I am trying to show that it is entirely possible. That we should not trust to hope.

God knows there is enough craziness out there, and false information as it is. If we can achieve a slice of truth on what is a cornerstone case, then it is a remarkable achievement.
I don't have anything bad to actually say about anyone.. I don't actually know you. Passion for the subject of UFOs is extremely encouraging, and I am so glad that we are not alone in the world.

But the truth is the core issue. We can believe everything, or we can believe nothing. But all of the shades in between are where all of the beautiful detail lies.

Truth is all that i ask. Not hope. Not dreams. Reality, not fiction. Is that such a wrong pursuit? We should all share that common goal, irrelevant of our further beliefs.

I don't want to believe. I want to know. Full stop.

Take care everyone, and i am sorry to those i upset. I do honestly mean that, and I hope you will accept it.

Kindest regards.

Kris


http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=66ttbuo

And once again Salad, you have posted a pic without clearly watermarking it as "MOCK UP".

I would have more sympathy for you if you had confined all your works to a single website (named something like) "DroneRecreations.com" as opposed to your releases into the World Wild Web. As it is, any debunker can misrepresent your hi-res material as real, then "expose" it as CG. Potentially confusing a LOT of people before the true origins were exposed.

Your motive might be pure, but your method has done nothing but muddy the investigation from day one.

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« Reply #438 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 11:33am »

As it is, any CG hoaxer can misrepresent his hi-res material, and "propogate" it as real.

Quite honestly.. I thought that was marked quite clearly, and my point made in big black ink. If it causes some to investigate its origin, and wonder if it is real, then it has made its point, and I see no reason for any more images from myself.

The crux of this case, is that it is not proven real. It could be one of 3 possibilities. Real, CG or model.

The dismissal by the believers as to a possible CG origin is, quite frankly obscene. I am afraid i will not offer you an apology for this image, as much as it upsets you.

But I respect your opinion, unfortunately i cannot agree with it.

Kris




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« Reply #439 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 12:06pm »

Intentionally or not salad you are hijacking this thread

Okay, you are a nice guy...now please stop this nonsense and contribute something worthwhile

There is no work going on here and whether you intended it or not is not the point, it is the outcome.

Can you see my point?
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« Reply #440 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 12:34pm »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 09:34am, Atrueoriginall wrote:
We are attempting to bring the thread back to its normal state. Please do not post any more thoughts on the previous subject and let's go forward on the drones and Isaac and nothing more.

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I have to agree with ATO here.

I do not have to agree with the Moderator's personal position 100% of the time, but I do respect the Moderator 100% of the time. I believe we should all keep this in mind.

Maybe this side issue should be moved to a new "How I love to hate CGI but I can't stop watching it" thread. grin

Now, may we drone on? wink
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« Reply #441 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 12:38pm »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 11:33am, Saladfingers wrote:
As it is, any CG hoaxer can misrepresent his hi-res material, and "propogate" it as real.


This is what you in effect have done with all of your creations. Maybe not in entirety because you have relied on other people to misrepresent and propagate them onto the web and the media thereby insulating you from the responsibility. You probably knew all along that would happen. Wasn't that the plan? Who did you say you worked for?

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« Reply #442 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 1:53pm »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 12:34pm, Marvin wrote:
Maybe this side issue should be moved to a new "How I love to hate CGI but I can't stop watching it" thread. grin

Now, may we drone on? wink


AGREED. rolleyes
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« Reply #443 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 2:01pm »

This report, from Nuforc, sounds like it came from a child. Could he be describing the BB drone?
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So I was playing basketball with my freinds and I saw a flying object in the sky. It was very bright and had three cicles and a sharp point at the end. It was on a diaganel and just disappeared!

I was playing basketball with my freinds. I was going to take a shot. When I looked up I saw a very brigt object. It was pure white. It had three white circles and had a very pointy end. There was only 1.
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« Reply #444 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 2:07pm »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 2:01pm, Latitude wrote:
This report, from Nuforc, sounds like it came from a child. Could he be describing the BB drone?


Either BB or another configuration. Sounds about right. Only, the Chad and Rajman drones look a bit more "white" than BB.
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« Reply #445 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 2:16pm »

Murnut...

I really don't think I am hijacking this thread. I have tried to apologise more than once, as i don't want any of this to continue. It does no good to anything.

But I didn't turn this topic on to me.. ATO did. She even said.. and it would seem it has been edited out.. that 'I AM THE TOPIC'. That was the moderator that said that.

I am sure everyone is feeling warm and happy. 'We can all gang up on Kris and make him feel sh*tty. Overwhelm him with accusations. Bully him into 'going away'.
It has to be that, because no other solution would make them happy. Am I right? Of course I am.

I've still not had a retraction for the claim that I was premeditating this whole thing. Totally forgotten.

Question.. who moderates the moderator?

MArvin.. gladly move one.. and get the work going on again here.


Latitude, I am self employed.

You seem to think i premeditated everything too. I simply did not. Show me some solid evidence that hundreds.. or thousands have been turned away by my work. This accusation is riding on opinion. Not one of you can back it up.

You know, the fact that i am here, and trying to answer your questions, and quite frankly rude accusations surely says something?

Sadly, there is little to no point in me saying much else, because everything I write is ignored. You don't want answers. You just want to abuse me, and carry on the accusations.. safe in the comfort of your group.

I truly hope that this website isn't representative of the wider community. Anger, hate, aggression, loathing, bullying, judging, and it might as well be execution.
You know what, if I knew the aliens who visit us.. I'd tell them not to bother getting out of their space ships.. because those that want to see you are simply not ready.

No doubt they would say to me.. ahhh, you're the one who made people think we were CG models.

Guilty as charged your honours... but you never managed to give us any proof in nearly 100 years.

Yes, said the alien, sorry about that. We kind of got into this routine of turning up in remote parts of the world where only one person is about. Although we're trying to do something about that. We were over Stratford upon Avon the other week. The bloody gravity drive broke down. Quite embarressing in front of all those people.

Yes, I said, i saw that. Someone posted it on the internet.

Did they?? He replied. xxxx it! Bloody cheap cloaking devices. One radar and we're as naked as Lee Majors in the bath.

Well it happens I said.

You know what really bothers me Kris, he said. It is these xxxx military bases your governments make us stay at. Grey walls, no windows, and the toilets stink. Not only that but they are in the middle of no where!
We come 98 million miles to sit in a concrete box 5 miles underground.
Go into space they said.. visit other worlds they said. A glamourous lifestyle.. booze.. birds.. disected cows. I don't know.. i knew I should have taken up plumbing. There is some good money in that ya know..

yes I said, rolling my eyes.

smiley

Sorry.. going off on one.. I had to send my mind off into sharp relief.
I was perhaps being hard on you all, as I know you are upset with what you feel i have done. But what is done is done. I'm not going to waste my life away saying sorry, and then being attacked again, then answering back, then saying sorry... It is slippery road, as MarkM said.

The only reason I am even on this forum is because ATO left OMF, and didn't allow me to talk to her there. What choice did I have? I had to come here you know. If you were attacked.. you would defend yourself wouldn't you?

Anyway. bye bye. I do actually have things to do outside of this, and it takes quite a while to type these messages.

Night night

Kris


p.s. In fact, if you have anything more to say about this.. then please PM me. Much easier, and everyone else can just get on with whatever they are doing.

Thanks
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« Reply #446 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 3:04pm »

on Sep 10th, 2007, 2:16pm, Saladfingers wrote:
I really don't think I am hijacking this thread.

It's clear that this thread will be about you until either you get satisfaction or the admin locks it.

You still don't get it, put yourself in the complainers shoes and this is what you've submitted:

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Quite honestly.. I thought that was marked quite clearly,

As an artist, you refuse to defile your works with a real watermark so that it cannot be used for nefarious purposes. Your link on tinypic.com is undeletable, your fakes have now placed side by side with all other alleged UFO pictures. This literally is probably a turning point in UFOlogy and that change angers some. The following image is what people were expecting to see when you placed your work in the public domain, see what a real watermark is supposed to look like:

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p.s. In fact, if you have anything more to say about this.. then please PM me.


You want the last word? No one is going to let you spill pages of public excuses without publicly responding.
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« Reply #447 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 3:32pm »

Sorry onthefence, I was simply backed in to a corner, and felt outraged. My opposition is angry, but i am supposed to just sit back and take every bit of it. I reacted, and in my state of mind, I wasn't thinking about watermarks.

I'm sorry for the mess. I don't want the last word at all. Anyone can have the last word. That is fine.

As way of an apology...

I have a wealth of work that i have done over the last few months, and it needs putting into the public domain. No I'm not talking about CG drones. But certainly the work i did to understand the images. A very good composite of the primer in a very large format. All sorts of things.

I am going to sort through it all, organise it, and post it somewhere for everyone to have access to it.

Hopefully it will be of use to anyone who is actually doing investigation.

Maybe that will make up for some of the hard feeling.



Go on.. some one else have a go at me...

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« Reply #448 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 3:43pm »

[quote author=Saladfingers link=board=drone&num=1188266784&start=448#29 date=1189451776]Murnut...



Question.. who moderates the moderator?

Answer: WE do! All members here throw in good will, and if the moderators didn't respond the way they've done so far, there would be close to no members left in this forum.

Some are already scared from posting throughout this personal fight, and that is sad to see.

Anyone HAD to see this coming, but to openly fight in a forum like it's a childs playground is arrogance toward members of this forum, and should have been held private, as it has no relavance to the thread at all.

I certainly hope, that the members lost on this, reconsider and join in in the greatest adventure in time, and disregard this incident as a single event.

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« Reply #449 on: Sep 10th, 2007, 3:49pm »

Kris

What did you expect when you came here?

I told you what would happen, and I asked you not to do it.

My new advice is to back to OMF, where you will not be attacked

I say this because I am your friend

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