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« Reply #495 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 1:14pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 09:58am, Marvin wrote:
Hi Castles,

I am trying to understand your thoughts.
1. We are working together with aliens.
2. They gave us this technology (Isaac did not know why).
3. We are working with this technology (even back engineering it for civilian use for over 20 years).
4. But we are not flying it (we are not taking advantage of this gift of technology).
5. All drones are only flown by the aliens (other than the AL drone).

Is this correct?

Why does the AL drone have a human origin?


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1. I wouldn't know for sure if in fact the government is working WITH the aliens, but found a correlation between the location of sightings. They were all near an air force base, or in airspace over a national park. Both, government owned, and possibly, they were allowed to fly there.

2. The "they" in his documents is not clear. Either he means "they" the aliens gave us (U.S.) their technology, or "they" the PTB gave us (the group of scientists at PACL) their technology.

3. Right.

4. Not sure if we are flying it. If you go back and research that era of time and what the computer artificial intelligence community was able to accomplish and what companies were doing such as Lockheed, Xerox, XParc, Lawrence Livermore etc... you can see that so much of a "burst" of technology came forth right around the same time. Like the Isaac letter stated, they were using the technology for CIVILIAN applications, which I believe that they did just that. Whether or not we are actually FLYING a drone copy around is beyond me.

5. I am assuming, just based on gut feeling, that the drones that we see are in fact alien flown and produced. When I look at the Birmingham drone, it looks more manufactured than the others, and there is no alien writing on it. (albeit birmingham drone could be a copycat hoax drone) But, I don't think the drones we have seen in the photos are US back engineered. That certainly doesn't mean that they haven't back engineered them, or that somewhere, there ARE some more.

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« Reply #496 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 1:45pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 1:14pm, castles4me wrote:
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1. I wouldn't know for sure if in fact the government is working WITH the aliens, but found a correlation between the location of sightings. They were all near an air force base, or in airspace over a national park. Both, government owned, and possibly, they were allowed to fly there.


I should point out this is not accurate. The only National Parks in any of the drone reports I can remember is Yosemite and Sequoia. Big Basin is a state park. Capitola is not a park and there are no national parks in the Tahoe area.

So my point is there may be no correlation between the drones and government airspace. Until we find out what the purpose of the drones are we will probably never know why they were spotted in those locations.
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« Reply #497 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 1:51pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 1:14pm, castles4me wrote:
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1. I wouldn't know for sure if in fact the government is working WITH the aliens, but found a correlation between the location of sightings. They were all near an air force base, or in airspace over a national park. Both, government owned, and possibly, they were allowed to fly there.

2. The "they" in his documents is not clear. Either he means "they" the aliens gave us (U.S.) their technology, or "they" the PTB gave us (the group of scientists at PACL) their technology.

3. Right.

4. Not sure if we are flying it. If you go back and research that era of time and what the computer artificial intelligence community was able to accomplish and what companies were doing such as Lockheed, Xerox, XParc, Lawrence Livermore etc... you can see that so much of a "burst" of technology came forth right around the same time. Like the Isaac letter stated, they were using the technology for CIVILIAN applications, which I believe that they did just that. Whether or not we are actually FLYING a drone copy around is beyond me.

5. I am assuming, just based on gut feeling, that the drones that we see are in fact alien flown and produced. When I look at the Birmingham drone, it looks more manufactured than the others, and there is no alien writing on it. (albeit birmingham drone could be a copycat hoax drone) But, I don't think the drones we have seen in the photos are US back engineered. That certainly doesn't mean that they haven't back engineered them, or that somewhere, there ARE some more.

IMHO of course


1. Could it be:
a. We allow them to fly there or,
b. They are observing what is happening there or,
c. They are actually ours?

2. Isaac sadly is not clear, but Isaac does mention other races that are called "sources."

3. Okay

4. I was thinking that (depending on what given to us means) we may be the ones flying these things. And we may have the ability to manufacture them by now. Who knows? If it is ours now, I can see why heads will roll if they are seen.

5. It may be possible, that in order to work, the drones are going to look this way, that is they will have the "language" on them... yet they maybe made by us and flown by us (just maybe).

Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #498 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 2:11pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 1:45pm, Latitude wrote:
I should point out this is not accurate. The only National Parks in any of the drone reports I can remember is Yosemite and Sequoia. Big Basin is a state park. Capitola is not a park and there are no national parks in the Tahoe area.

So my point is there may be no correlation between the drones and government airspace. Until we find out what the purpose of the drones are we will probably never know why they were spotted in those locations.


you are right... I should have said that "many of them" were and not all.
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« Reply #499 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 2:17pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 1:51pm, Marvin wrote:
4. I was thinking that (depending on what given to us means) we may be the ones flying these things. And we may have the ability to manufacture them by now. Who knows? If it is ours now, I can see why heads will roll if they are seen.

5. It may be possible, that in order to work, the drones are going to look this way, that is they will have the "language" on them... yet they maybe made by us and flown by us (just maybe).

Just my thoughts.


yeah, definitely could be. Maybe they HAVE to have the alien language on them in order to work and they could in fact be back-engineered. Maybe the gov just put the alien language on them so that when they accidentally got cloaked and people took photos of them and sent them into UFO sites, that people spent hundreds of hours researching the UFO aspect of it and didn't realize that they are U.S. owned and they are used for ubiquitous spying on telephone and email conversations for national security (or otherwise) LOL grin

After all, when we try to report seeing drones flying over telephone wires to the media with alien language on them they laugh, call us crazy and don't publish it. If we said government drones are spying on (and subsequently breaking the civil rights of our citizens) telephone calls by hovering over telephone wires.... that just might be a story for live at 5:00.

The possibilities are endless, and we just don't know. I am still believeing that are alien.
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« Reply #500 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 3:03pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 2:17pm, castles4me wrote:
The possibilities are endless, and we just don't know. I am still believeing that are alien.


My feelings on that for what it's worth are that the drones are alien, all of them including the Alabama drone. We continue to study them but have yet not figured out how they work. If we did Nasa would not be spending billions lifting satellites and shuttles into orbit by burning chemicals. It's sad to think that Nasa is still using technology from the middle ages and 1926.

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« Reply #501 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 3:12pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 3:03pm, Latitude wrote:
My feelings on that for what it's worth are that the drones are alien, all of them including the Alabama drone. We continue to study them but have yet not figured out how they work. If we did Nasa would not be spending billions lifting satellites and shuttles into orbit by burning chemicals. It's sad to think that Nasa is still using technology from the middle ages and 1926.



This is my belief as well.

Latitude... what on earth is that avatar of yours... I can't figure it out smiley lol
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« Reply #502 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 3:33pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 3:12pm, castles4me wrote:
Latitude... what on earth is that avatar of yours... I can't figure it out smiley lol


You've been staring at it for almost a month now smiley

It's the center part in the cage of the Ty BB photo.
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« Reply #503 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 3:47pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 3:33pm, onthefence55 wrote:
You've been staring at it for almost a month now smiley

It's the center part in the cage of the Ty BB photo.


well that would be three months .... lol

What are we looking at there? Some kind of alien in the cage? (here we go again... tee hee)
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« Reply #504 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 4:04pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 3:47pm, castles4me wrote:
well that would be three months .... lol

What are we looking at there? Some kind of alien in the cage? (here we go again... tee hee)


That is for you to decide. I still believe something may be going on in there. The cage interior has too many weird and different things showing from pic to pic. None of the other parts act that way. Is it only an optical illusion? Maybe. Somebody somewhere mentioned something about the BB drone cage but I can't remember what it was. If anybody finds it please post.
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« Reply #505 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 4:25pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 4:04pm, Latitude wrote:
That is for you to decide. I still believe something may be going on in there. The cage interior has too many weird and different things showing from pic to pic. None of the other parts act that way. Is it only an optical illusion? Maybe. Somebody somewhere mentioned something about the BB drone cage but I can't remember what it was. If anybody finds it please post.


Hi all:

I'm one of the cage people.

At the bottom of the cage there is a circular ring. Each of the eight upward legs of the cage is hinged around this ring. If you look closely you can see that they are attached by hinges at the bottom of the cage around the ring. [This may be the reason that several people have noticed that the legs are not attached to the top of the cage.] This allows each leg to be lowered to the ground to act as a base for the entire central section.

The center of the cage may be the devices that hold the lower hinge ring in place and the wires may lower and raise each leg.

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« Reply #506 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 4:27pm »

Castles4me, have you found any more reports that occurred at the same time as the drone sightings?

Isaac said, in reference to the invisibility cloak being jammed: "God knows what else was suddenly appearing in the skies at that moment, and who else may have seen it."

I know that this report was in the same area and on the same day as the BB pics were taken.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pleasonton.html

Seems like those craft had the same cloaking technology...

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« Reply #507 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 5:49pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 4:27pm, newtothis wrote:
Castles4me, have you found any more reports that occurred at the same time as the drone sightings?

Isaac said, in reference to the invisibility cloak being jammed: "God knows what else was suddenly appearing in the skies at that moment, and who else may have seen it."

I know that this report was in the same area and on the same day as the BB pics were taken.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/pleasonton.html

Seems like those craft had the same cloaking technology...

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yes for that many to be fling around at the same time ,thy would have to of had a cloaking device to hide. cool
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« Reply #508 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 6:01pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 11:48am, Marvin wrote:
Sorry DrDil, let me explain:

Like most of what I read of Isaac, I think you too are seeing the lack of real explanation, clarity and tie together in Isaac’s writing.

I can not say if Isaac is trying or is not trying to put these things directly together. Isaac does not do so clearly. But Isaac does tie things together, if Isaac means to or not. Isaac may not directly spell it out in the writings when showing the inventory photo, anti-gravity device, cloaking and the drone photos, but Isaac is placing them all together. Isaac is indirectly linking everything together into one package as if it will “fly” together or fall together.

I do not think Isaac ever states that the drone in the Big Basin photos or its components are what Isaac or the team had worked on, but the photographed inventory components show them laying there. That is a large oversight on Isaac’s part when it should have been very obvious to Isaac (unless Isaac is blind). One would think Isaac would have pointed this out and said, yep... we worked on stuff like that. Look at Big Basin photos and the inventory photos.

I guess what I am saying is, there is what Isaac says, and there is what Isaac says and shows. I keep tripping over these. If Isaac is making a disclosure, it is like Isaac may not be aware of what is being disclosed here or is trying to beat around the subject a bit and not really disclosing anything. Something is missing or not right. Isaac had an opportunity to do a slam dunk that would convince everyone and 20 years to think about it.

"Something completely unrelated?"

This is where I think I see something different, Isaac has to know the Big Basin is the same craft. At least the same technology. It is unmistakable, that is if Isaac had worked on it. Isaac’s documentation suggests that Isaac should have been at least familiar with it. In fact Isaac would have known a lot more than what has been reviled to us (how many pages were in the two reports and how many have been shown). This should not a guessing game for Isaac. Isaac should know.

The Big Basin photos should have caught Isaac's eye alright, as being the same materials the team worked on. But Isaac over looked this.

DrDil, I find it difficult to understand what Isaac writes and presents in order to make a consistent and understandable story. Any help is appreciated.

I do understand the context of using Isaac's words and story vs., conjecture and "unrelated" UFOlogy being applied to drones and Isaac.

Hi Marvin.

You quoted Isaac as saying, “Something completely unrelated” then wrote,


"Something completely unrelated? This is where I think I see something different, Isaac has to know the Big Basin is the same craft. At least the same technology. It is unmistakable, that is if Isaac had worked on it. Isaac’s documentation suggests that Isaac should have been at least familiar with it. In fact Isaac would have known a lot more than what has been reviled to us (how many pages were in the two reports and how many have been shown). This should not a guessing game for Isaac. Isaac should know. “

Where as the full Isaac quote is as follows,

“The antigrav was amazing, of course, as were the advances we were making with materials engineering and so on. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated. In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, and even moreso in the Big Basin photos.”

Note: AS WERE THE ADVANCES WE WERE MAKING WITH MATERIALS ENGINEERING AND SO ON. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated.”

I always thought that the, “Something completely unrelated” that Isaac was referring to was something completely unrelated to materials engineering, as this was what he said immediately before saying, “Something completely unrelated.”

(I thought these engineering materials could have been what he earlier referred to as a, “Holographic computational substrate” As he also wrote,
Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each ‘computational element’ (essentially individual particles) can function independently.”)


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Hmm, this is harder than I thought as I still don’t think I explained my perception of it very well!!
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Isaac said that he had worked on the parts which can be seen in the Q3-85 review. (FACT)

The Big Basin Drone had one of the rings that are present in the inventory review. (FACT)

Isaac recognized the, “Language.” (FACT)

The Big Basin Drone has a paddle with the, “Language” on it attached directly to the ring that is visible in the inventory review. (FACT)


In my comment that you quoted (i.e. “I drew this conclusion from EXACTLY what Isaac wrote”) I wrote that,

“Isaac explains what he recognized, why he recognized it and how it works. So Isaac has said it was this, “Executable language” that he recognized….They are still employing the use of the, “Executable language” which Isaac recognized and so wouldn't that also mean they are inextricably linked to the antigravity device?”

That’s all I was referring to, the conclusion I made was being that Isaac recognized the executable language and the language Isaac worked on with the A1 is one and the same.

One of the four items dealing directly with antigravity that Isaac said he worked on was this, “Language.” It is listed as the 3rd item in the PACL document,

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“A complex system of symbols and geometric constucts capable of both defining the functionality of certain artifacts as well as manipulating their behaviour, crudely analogous to a computer programming language but without the need for a compilation or interpretation phase.”

So, Isaac tells us he worked on the anti-gravity devices. (FACT)

One of these devices is the, “Language,” i.e. “A complex system of symbols and geometric constructs.” (FACT)


Isaac wrote, “I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos.”

Note, “I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos.”

In summary:

1) ISAAC WORKED MAINLY WITH THE ANTI-GRAVITY DEVICES. (FACT)

2) ISAAC WORKED WITH THE SYMBOLS MORE THAN ANYTHING. (FACT)

3) THE LANGUAGE IS ONE OF THE 4 ITEMS LISTED UNDER ANTIGRAVITY IN THE PACL DOCUMENT. (FACT)

4) ISAAC RECOGNIZED THEM THE MOMENT HE SAW THEM IN THE PHOTOS. (FACT)


That is what I based my conclusion on i.e. that the Big Basin Drone has the language on them which Isaac recognized instantly as being the same that he worked on while studying the anti-gravity device.

This in turn led me to the conclusion I stated and which I also said was based on facts. I.e. that the, “Language” on the Big Basin Drone was DIRECTLY associated with the anti-gravity device as Isaac said he worked with the symbols more than anything WHICH ARE ONE OF THE FOUR ITEMS LISTED AS, “ANTI-GRAVITY” IN THE PACL REPORT. So it was this, “Language” he studied mostly during his work with anti-gravity and as a direct result he recognized this, “Language” instantly.

I hope that helps to clarify why I think (according to Isaac) that the Drones utilize the antigravity device.

So what’s your take on it Marvin?

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE’S VON (THE INSTIGATOR) STERN!!
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« Reply #509 on: Sep 11th, 2007, 6:16pm »

on Sep 11th, 2007, 6:01pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Marvin.

You quoted Isaac as saying, “Something completely unrelated” then wrote,


"Something completely unrelated? This is where I think I see something different, Isaac has to know the Big Basin is the same craft. At least the same technology. It is unmistakable, that is if Isaac had worked on it. Isaac’s documentation suggests that Isaac should have been at least familiar with it. In fact Isaac would have known a lot more than what has been reviled to us (how many pages were in the two reports and how many have been shown). This should not a guessing game for Isaac. Isaac should know. “

Where as the full Isaac quote is as follows,

“The antigrav was amazing, of course, as were the advances we were making with materials engineering and so on. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated. In fact, it was this technology that immediately jumped out at me when I saw the Chad and Rajman photos, and even moreso in the Big Basin photos.”

Note: AS WERE THE ADVANCES WE WERE MAKING WITH MATERIALS ENGINEERING AND SO ON. But what interested me most then, and still amazes me most to this day, was something completely unrelated.”

I always thought that the, “Something completely unrelated” that Isaac was referring to was something completely unrelated to materials engineering, as this was what he said immediately before saying, “Something completely unrelated.”

(I thought these engineering materials could have been what he earlier referred to as a, “Holographic computational substrate” As he also wrote,
Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each ‘computational element’ (essentially individual particles) can function independently.”)


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Hmm, this is harder than I thought as I still don’t think I explained my perception of it very well!!
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Isaac said that he had worked on the parts which can be seen in the Q3-85 review. (FACT)

The Big Basin Drone had one of the rings that are present in the inventory review. (FACT)

Isaac recognized the, “Language.” (FACT)

The Big Basin Drone has a paddle with the, “Language” on it attached directly to the ring that is visible in the inventory review. (FACT)


In my comment that you quoted (i.e. “I drew this conclusion from EXACTLY what Isaac wrote”) I wrote that,

“Isaac explains what he recognized, why he recognized it and how it works. So Isaac has said it was this, “Executable language” that he recognized….They are still employing the use of the, “Executable language” which Isaac recognized and so wouldn't that also mean they are inextricably linked to the antigravity device?”

That’s all I was referring to, the conclusion I made was being that Isaac recognized the executable language and the language Isaac worked on with the A1 is one and the same.

One of the four items dealing directly with antigravity that Isaac said he worked on was this, “Language.” It is listed as the 3rd item in the PACL document,

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“A complex system of symbols and geometric constucts capable of both defining the functionality of certain artifacts as well as manipulating their behaviour, crudely analogous to a computer programming language but without the need for a compilation or interpretation phase.”

So, Isaac tells us he worked on the anti-gravity devices. (FACT)

One of these devices is the, “Language,” i.e. “A complex system of symbols and geometric constructs.” (FACT)


Isaac wrote, “I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos. They appear in a very simple form on Chad’s craft, but appear in the more complex diagram form on the underside of the Big Basin craft as well. Both are unmistakable, even at the small size of the Big Basin photos.”

Note, “I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos.”

In summary:

1) ISAAC WORKED MAINLY WITH THE ANTI-GRAVITY DEVICES. (FACT)

2) ISAAC WORKED WITH THE SYMBOLS MORE THAN ANYTHING. (FACT)

3) THE LANGUAGE IS ONE OF THE 4 ITEMS LISTED UNDER ANTIGRAVITY IN THE PACL DOCUMENT. (FACT)

4) ISAAC RECOGNIZED THEM THE MOMENT HE SAW THEM IN THE PHOTOS. (FACT)


That is what I based my conclusion on i.e. that the Big Basin Drone has the language on them which Isaac recognized instantly as being the same that he worked on while studying the anti-gravity device.

This in turn led me to the conclusion I stated and which I also said was based on facts. I.e. that the, “Language” on the Big Basin Drone was DIRECTLY associated with the anti-gravity device as Isaac said he worked with the symbols more than anything WHICH ARE ONE OF THE FOUR ITEMS LISTED AS, “ANTI-GRAVITY” IN THE PACL REPORT. So it was this, “Language” he studied mostly during his work with anti-gravity and as a direct result he recognized this, “Language” instantly.

I hope that helps to clarify why I think (according to Isaac) that the Drones utilize the antigravity device.

So what’s your take on it Marvin?

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE’S VON (THE INSTIGATOR) STERN!!
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Hi DrDil,

I did a lot of rereading today.

I think Isaac was talking about antigrav and then "something completely unrelated" is what Isaac was seeing in the photos. The language.

I have lost track of how many times I have read this now, I guess I just need to keep reading it. Strangely, it is starting to make more sense. I have set up a number of "what ifs" and read it again. I am still mad it is not an easy read, and that it is not totally clear. But I will keep reading. Maybe I am just getting old. smiley


I have to admit, I agree with you. Great work as always DrDil.
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