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« Reply #540 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 01:10am »

on Sep 12th, 2007, 9:53pm, notafulldeck wrote:
Going back to what Isaac commented - 'they may have accidentally triggered a known decloaking device that he knew of from the past.' But what if the decloaking incidents are created inadvertantly from our advancing technologies? I understand the number of variables here is absurd for us to fully persue, but it can still create some questions - The Birmingham siting in '06, does anyone know if there is any known technology/military base/power/nuclear plant/tech company associated with that geographical location which may share a common link with the CA area which we have been focusing on?


He mentioned the NASA Ames Research Center/Moffett Field specifically. I was looking around in google maps at the pinpoints they have and found Interfermoter which after some more digging got me to "Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory".
When you google that for California, you get this:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=California+Gravitational+Observatory&ie=UTF8&ll=38.702659,-119.223633&spn=7.901795,14.941406&z=6&om=1

Check out where the pinpoint J takes you!

I just now found that, but earlier in the day I was looking for the technology involved with interferometry, trying to find a link to NASA ARC and got this:

http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/successes/ss/5-064text.html

At the bottom right of that page, you will find Applications. I searched the bottom item, Synthetic-aperture-radar (SAR) interferometry and got to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_aperture_radar

These SAR devices are attached to planes, which explains why Isaac mentioned Moffett field. Probably just a really big coincidence, but... Near the bottom under the Data Collection, the 1st paragraph talks about it's attempted use with NASA in 1986. That would be the right time for Isaac to be aware of it.

Sorry so long, but my ADD kicked into high gear!


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« Reply #541 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 03:53am »

on Sep 12th, 2007, 6:41pm, Latitude wrote:
Marvin and I have been over at the Mufon forum trying to get some answers. It seems we may have called some attention to the subject. The guy over there is quoting Mufon policy of only investigating when a witness contacts them. So I pointed out that they did have a witness, Tahoe wife #7013.

So lets say that Mufon did contact Tahoe wife and she gave them a complete report. Would they then be compelled to pursue the investigation further by attempting to contact other non-mufon witnesses? They did make a link between Tahoe wife and Chad.


When MUFON's report came out, LMH was fast to respond and I must give her credit for that. She counted every drone sighting known to her for the past 20 years implying that wider investigation is necessary. And what was Mr. Murillo's response? Quote:
Correction to all. I did not forward _my_ investigation nor did
I imply that I conducted the investigation. I forwarded an
investigation conducted by Steve Reichmuth, the Northern
California State Section Director for MUFON.

Please read the e-mail _carefully_.

Well, it's true that LMH addressed the wrong person in her hasty reply, but this translates to 'none of my business' - not really a fit response for MUFON executive interested in research of the UFO phenomena, don't you think?

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but they are saying that MUFON wouldn't care for some 'White House lawn UFO landing' rumor that is all over the news until someone reports it through their CMS? I don't think so.

Could you kindly point this out at MUFON forum: Their 3-day investigation was biased, unprofessional and inconclusive without gathering all the evidence at hand. How did they conduct it, over the phone? At lunch? Their claim that other sightings weren't reported is pathetic and not an excuse (see example above). They were informed by LMH (in public!) that more evidence and witnesses are available, and they did nothing. Even if all drone images were hoaxed, they should look at all of them and declare them so one by one, clearly stating why.

And one more thing - they didn't really need CG experts to verify Chad's claims. He said he was seeing drones all the time through his window - why didn't they pay him a visit? But no... it's much easier to declare it as CG in one afternoon and forget all about it. Shame on you, MUFONs!
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« Reply #542 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 05:05am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 03:53am, nekitamo wrote:
When MUFON's report came out, LMH was fast to respond and I must give her credit for that. She counted every drone sighting known to her for the past 20 years implying that wider investigation is necessary. And what was Mr. Murillo's response?
Well, it's true that LMH addressed the wrong person in her hasty reply, but this translates to 'none of my business' - not really a fit response for MUFON executive interested in research of the UFO phenomena, don't you think?

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but they are saying that MUFON wouldn't care for some 'White House lawn UFO landing' rumor that is all over the news until someone reports it through their CMS? I don't think so.

Could you kindly point this out at MUFON forum: Their 3-day investigation was biased, unprofessional and inconclusive without gathering all the evidence at hand. How did they conduct it, over the phone? At lunch? Their claim that other sightings weren't reported is pathetic and not an excuse (see example above). They were informed by LMH (in public!) that more evidence and witnesses are available, and they did nothing. Even if all drone images were hoaxed, they should look at all of them and declare them so one by one, clearly stating why.

And one more thing - they didn't really need CG experts to verify Chad's claims. He said he was seeing drones all the time through his window - why didn't they pay him a visit? But no... it's much easier to declare it as CG in one afternoon and forget all about it. Shame on you, MUFONs!


I don't know the details of the investigation but when the witness contacted MUFON (how was that made known?) was it merely an anonymous submission of photos, an e-mail with links to photos, was there actually a person to interview? Did a meeting take place and was the witness interviewed? Did the witness request an interview? Or did the witness merely submit photos and not request an interview?

Anyone can submit photos to Mufon but that does not constitute an investigation.

So what exactly did this witness request? What were the comments to Mufon? Was it merely a submission of photos by e-mail? Was there ever a request for a personal interview? If it was only an anonymous submission of photos by someone with a screen name that would leave Mufon without much to go on. As far as a continued investigation based on Internet information, not likely.

Also, I would not expect much from the Mufon BB. Lately it seems to be dominated by the fringe element and I see where many of the original mainstream rational contributors have dropped out.
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« Reply #543 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 07:46am »

on Sep 12th, 2007, 5:40pm, Latitude wrote:
I just thought that the word "clacking" would have been flagged as incorrect. But I just checked it and I guess I assumed wrong. Clacking is a word. My mistake.


Also:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clacking
2. clack - a simple valve with a hinge on one side; allows fluid to flow in only one direction

It seems to my old memory that clacking is also a term for a signal sent out to an aircraft transponder, looking for an ID bounce back... as in to clack a unknown to see if it is a friendly.

What Isaac maybe referring to is a specific frequency signal that acts like an off switch? If true, you may have to be in the "near microwave" to do it. LOL finding the correct frequency. grin
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« Reply #544 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 09:05am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 01:10am, newtothis wrote:
He mentioned the NASA Ames Research Center/Moffett Field specifically. I was looking around in google maps at the pinpoints they have and found Interfermoter which after some more digging got me to "Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory".
When you google that for California, you get this:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=California+Gravitational+Observatory&ie=UTF8&ll=38.702659,-119.223633&spn=7.901795,14.941406&z=6&om=1

Check out where the pinpoint J takes you!

I just now found that, but earlier in the day I was looking for the technology involved with interferometry, trying to find a link to NASA ARC and got this:

http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/successes/ss/5-064text.html

At the bottom right of that page, you will find Applications. I searched the bottom item, Synthetic-aperture-radar (SAR) interferometry and got to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_aperture_radar

These SAR devices are attached to planes, which explains why Isaac mentioned Moffett field. Probably just a really big coincidence, but... Near the bottom under the Data Collection, the 1st paragraph talks about it's attempted use with NASA in 1986. That would be the right time for Isaac to be aware of it.

Sorry so long, but my ADD kicked into high gear!



Very good research Newt. I am going to look into those links.
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« Reply #545 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 10:06am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 01:10am, newtothis wrote:
He mentioned the NASA Ames Research Center/Moffett Field specifically. I was looking around in google maps at the pinpoints they have and found Interfermoter which after some more digging got me to "Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory".
When you google that for California, you get this:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=California+Gravitational+Observatory&ie=UTF8&ll=38.702659,-119.223633&spn=7.901795,14.941406&z=6&om=1



There is a lot of stuff on that map that you don't see grin (especially the grayed out areas). The gray area in Nevada is the infamous Nellis Test range, home to something better known as Dreamland or Area 51.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=extraterrestrial+highway&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.737461,58.447266&ie=UTF8&ll=37.263944,-115.801392&spn=0.120496,0.22831&t=k&z=12&iwloc=D&om=1



This is a busy region. A prime location to observe us... or to conduct a "test."
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« Reply #546 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 10:18am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 05:05am, Gort wrote:
Also, I would not expect much from the Mufon BB. Lately it seems to be dominated by the fringe element and I see where many of the original mainstream rational contributors have dropped out.

Well, perhaps we are just uninformed. There is no official MUFFON statement on this case, all we got was some indirect info. I've set to find out more and discovered this info about Steve Reichmuth, the man that allegedly investigated this case for MUFON:

Steve Reichmuth, SSD-Alameda Co., (925) 779-9578, skipjack@earthlink.net
website: http://uforesearcher.com/
Forums: http://forums.uforesearcher.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

His website is off-line, but the forum works and I've found this topic:

Explanation of the strange drone craft (Capitola etc) sightings?

In short, some forum member has just found Isaac's pages and he is quite amazed with them, so he asks what's the progress with this case. Forum admin steven (Steve Reichmuth?) gives him this reply - Quote:
I am involved to a degree with this case, especially the Capitola, and the Lake Tahoe images.

NOAA satellite images collected in this case's file on the same day of the so called Capitola images were taken....show & clearly prove the weather in Capitola, California ALL DAY was raining and heavy over cast. In the Capitola images - show clear blue skies.

The reports surrounding this and other such objects is a hoax. Chad, Rajman have been ID'ed as the same individual. All the photo experts within Mufon and two 'outside' people in the computer generated image special effects industry in 'Hollywood', and are involved in UFO research as well (so they could not be considered debunkers)...also state they are a hoax too.

It could be an elaborate internet dis-information campaign of late after the attention given in the media to the extraordinary Chicago O'Hare sighting early this year.

It is conclusively all LMH 'BS'.

Well... there you go. It is all just LMH 'BS' for MUFON - case closed. Does this mean that MUFON won't touch this case any more because LMH is involved? Seems likely... I wasn't happy too when she took over.

Perhaps we should contact Steve and find out more.
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« Reply #547 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 10:31am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 09:05am, castles4me wrote:
Very good research Newt. I am going to look into those links.


Ok very interesting stuff.

Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) was the project that began 1984-1987 by Kip Thorne,
The Feynman Professor of Theoretical Physics, California Institute of Technology

from their website http://www.cgu.edu/pages/1293.asp
"Thorne's research has focused on Einstein's general theory of relativity and on astrophysics, with an emphasis on black holes and gravitational waves. Thorne initiated modern research on whether the laws of physics permit the existence of wormholes. In 1984, he cofounded the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) Project-the largest project ever funded by the National Science Foundation. The project is designed to allow scientists to "see" the gravitational waves predicted by Einstein's relativity theory. LIGO will begin its search for cosmic gravitational waves this summer."

(it doesn't say when this was printed -- but "this summer" I wonder if it was this year?)

They have two locations for the LIGO facilities, one in Washington and one in Louisiana -- interestingly I found on the Louisiana one that their system went on the blink the first week in May -- althought the facility is in Louisiana, it could have affected things in california?? (hmmm weren't chad sightings in May 5?)
from their website http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/~ll_news/0607a_news/L1_progress.htm
"The bad news began on the morning of May 2 when LLO operators realized that one of L1’s 10-kg mirrors, ITMY (above left), had become immobilized on its suspension mount, rendering the interferometer uncontrollable. A large seismic impulse apparently lodged the mirror on several of its viton-tipped earthquake stops. Staff members began a series of interventions from the control room that became more serious over the following two days as the mirror refused to swing free. On May 5 the method of last resort was employed – a full vent of the chamber, removal of the chamber door and entry into the chamber by garbed personnel (above right) who manually dislodged the mirror. Following chamber closure and a 72-hour pump down, the gate valves that isolated the vented region were re-opened and interferometer operations were restored."

Of course, check out Newt's posted link to this NASA site that uses the interferometer for "Spacecraft Formation Control with Direct Interferometer-Output Feedback"
http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/successes/ss/5-064text.html

So if the main LIGO was having problems and went offline on May 5 -- and they worked to repair it, I guess it is probable that several different instances it went offline. And, if this is what NASA uses for spacecraft formation control, it is possible it interfered with the Drone formation control. eh??

From the NASA site at the bottom where you see Instrumentation, Sensors, Space Systems you can reference the different companies using the technology, many in California. Anyone of them could be using the technology that decloaked the drones!! Main one with a direct link on the main page of the NASA site is Optimal Synthesis, Inc. Los Altos CA -- a list of their projects here http://www.optisyn.com/ps/projects/projects.html


A different kind of technology in the area:

Also, in researching AMES research center at Moffett Field... I ran across a NEW facility there entitled the Bio-Info-Nano R&D Institute -- ok, here we have a NEW Nano technology research institute and it says that they begin THIS SUMMER (so maybe some kind of nano technology triggered the decloaking) from their website http://www.bioinfonano.org/about-us/

"The Bio | Info | Nano R & D Institute assembles the extensive research talents of UC Santa Cruz , NASA Ames Research Center, and industrial affiliates like Hewlett-Packard to engage in research at the cutting edge of “convergence science.” This represents the nexus of multiple disciplines, where biologists, physicists, chemical engineers, and others work together to develop next generation technologies. The applications developed at this specialized institute will leverage the Silicon Valley's powerful innovative spirit and unique resource base.

A key program of the Institute is the BIN Energy Initiative, a growing consortium of organizations using novel processes and exotic technologies to build realistic, sustainable alternatives to hydrocarbon fossil fuels. For example, our partner company Solexant is working with UCSC faculty, including Sue Carter’s group, to develop a nano-enabled coating that promises to increase efficiency while lowering the cost of solar cells.

The Institute is truly the place where biology, information technology, and nanotech meet! BIN-RDI will commence operations in summer 2007 at the Advanced Studies Laboratories.
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« Reply #548 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 10:50am »

From another thread at Steve Reichmuth's forum - Quote:
I apologize. I had to delete my posts related to the Capitola BS on the net. I shared publicly some of my findings, and Mufon thought it was premature to do so. I have saved the posts. Mufon thinks I should keep quiet publicly about the Capitola bogus images till the appropriate time. My passion in preventing seeing people deceived and perhaps manipulated by an unknown individual or agency on the Internet was my motive for posting my findings. [Frown] It is no big deal, but when the time is right, I will spill all I know within my small station in this.

This computer generated image stuff has been the strangest case yet, and it does not even involve aliens!..but the internet! Bottom line...the images have all been checked by 4 experts, and all the images are all bogus as hell. lol

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The above is a radar image of California on 16-May-2007 at 1700 hours (5 PM) from the NOAA archives.

You can access this at:

http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?WWNEXRAD~Images2

When you get to the national map, click on the region to enlarge.
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« Reply #550 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 11:24am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 10:18am, nekitamo wrote:
In short, some forum member has just found Isaac's pages and he is quite amazed with them, so he asks what's the progress with this case. Forum admin steven (Steve Reichmuth?) gives him this reply -
Well... there you go. It is all just LMH 'BS' for MUFON - case closed. Does this mean that MUFON won't touch this case any more because LMH is involved? Seems likely... I wasn't happy too when she took over.
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NOAA satellite images collected in this case's file on the same day of the so called Capitola images were taken....show & clearly prove the weather in Capitola, California ALL DAY was raining and heavy over cast. In the Capitola images - show clear blue skies.


This report is bogus as hell. Here is the weather report for that day. http://tinyurl.com/2xert6

It says plain as day, clear sky with a 10 mile visiblitiy and no rain all day.
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« Reply #551 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 11:45am »

Another satellite weather map for May 16, 2007 at about 17:00 PDT. Looks like the California coast is pretty clear in this image.

http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/composites/sathts_snd/0705/07051700_sathts_snd_alt.gif

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« Reply #552 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 12:52pm »

Great job Latitude and Nodnunk!

To me, the statement that it was raining and cloudy at that time just proves one of two things, 1) this was a debunk by someone who was clueless (and not interested in the facts), or 2) they were sloppy in researching this data and reported the weather for the wrong location or the wrong day.

In either case, one can not say this is a hoax because it should have been raining.

Great work!
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on Sep 13th, 2007, 11:45am, Nodnunk wrote:
Another satellite weather map for May 16, 2007 at about 17:00 PDT. Looks like the California coast is pretty clear in this image.

http://virga.sfsu.edu/pub/composites/sathts_snd/0705/07051700_sathts_snd_alt.gif



Doesn't mean anything at a local level. Any fisherman could tell you that.
Instead of mouthing off on the Internet why don't you contact your local Mufon field investigator and present to him whatever evidence you have. If you have bona fide, hard copy, scientific (reproducible) data then by all means bring it forth. If this is just some Internet BS that is not verifiable it's worthless. Anybody can say anything on the Internet. As long as this "case" remains in the domain of the Internet it can only be taken for whatever that is worth. In other words it can be entirely true or it can be entirely fictitious there is no way to verify one way or the other. Contact Steve or better yet contact Isaac or the witnesses give us real people with real names. nodnunk
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« Reply #554 on: Sep 13th, 2007, 1:31pm »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 10:31am, castles4me wrote:
"The Bio | Info | Nano R & D Institute assembles the extensive research talents of UC Santa Cruz , NASA Ames Research Center, and industrial affiliates like Hewlett-Packard to engage in research at the cutting edge of “convergence science.” This represents the nexus of multiple disciplines, where biologists, physicists, chemical engineers, and others work together to develop next generation technologies. The applications developed at this specialized institute will leverage the Silicon Valley's powerful innovative spirit and unique resource base.

A key program of the Institute is the BIN Energy Initiative, a growing consortium of organizations using novel processes and exotic technologies to build realistic, sustainable alternatives to hydrocarbon fossil fuels.
BIN-RDI will commence operations in summer 2007 at the Advanced Studies Laboratories.
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Sounds like a 2007 version of Isaac's group!
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