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« Reply #675 on: Sep 16th, 2007, 10:49pm »

This is how he died...

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/schneider.html
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« Reply #676 on: Sep 16th, 2007, 10:50pm »

Re: above link...his wife wrote an email about his death which follows his monologue
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« Reply #677 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 02:25am »

Schneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17, 1996. He had apparently been dead for several days (perhaps up to a week), and reportedly had a rubber hose wrapped three times around his neck. Tim Swartz writes that "Clackamas County Coroner's office initially attributed Philip Schneider's death to a stroke or heart attack." Some suggest Schneider was murdered; supposedly because he was leaking information to the public, unveiling conspiracies. He in fact claimed to have avoided 13 murder attempts taken on his life during the time in which he was lecturing on conspiracy theories. He suffered multiple physical illnesses (osteoporosis, cancer, injuries). Officially, suicide is now stated as the cause of death.

The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy but refused to analyze them, saying that the county would not "waste their money on a suicide". Although samples would be kept for 12 months, when asked for these samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they were "missing" and presumed "destroyed". Schneider had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion in his shoulders. It may have been physically impossible for him to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck, slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first into a wheel chair. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly and painlessly. He also had a 9 mm gun that he had borrowed to protect himself.
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« Reply #678 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 09:32am »

on Sep 16th, 2007, 12:52pm, Latitude wrote:
This one's better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMEHUUuutk
It would be funny (like when he says the alien "crispy crittered" his foot) but then he waves that mutated hand around. I kind of cast a skeptic's eye toward Phil and his story. He brings up Billy Meier and Val Valiant Thor? Sounds too kooky?



If I recall, ole Val claimed to be from Venus. And that we would be visited from time to time by his fellow friendly aliens who are trying to help us.

Frank Stranges came by our college and spoke about Valiant. There was no mention about Greys or other races at that time (nor any war between aliens). This was in the very early 1970's. I even picked up a copy of "Stranger at the Pentagon" form Mr. Stranges at the time.

The stories just do not fit together as told 35 years ago. Now Val was saving us from the Greys? huh Is Val now from Pleiades and not Venus? This is a whole new twist to the Valiant Thor story. embarassed
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« Reply #679 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 1:07pm »

Here is what one site is calling the crop alphabet... but is basically just shapes from some of the crop circles over the years. I do find them very interesting and reminiscent of the drone linguistics.

http://www.crystalinks.com/cropalphabet.html

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« Reply #680 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 6:11pm »

on Sep 14th, 2007, 1:28pm, Latitude wrote:
Can you illustrate the parallel lines you speak of? It was never said what kind of camera Ty used. It could be digital or film. LMH has stated she received 12 5x7 prints along with the typed letter from Ty B. So the hi rez photo could be considered an enlargement. I guess it all depends on how you view it on your monitor. Parallel lines could be explained by anomalies with LMH's scanner or Ty's printer.



Okay, here we have Chad’s drone at a 100% enlargement:


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As you can see, there is nothing unusual.

If you enlarge it several hundred percent:


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Now you can see the “lines” show up in the thin “feelers.”

If we look at the drone “feelers” Ty high-res photo:


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We can see the “lines” in the “feelers” at a 100% enlargement. We should not be able to see this as demonstrated with the Chad photo at 100%.

If we look at the trees enlarged at 100% (what little of the trees that are shown):


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There are no “lines” in the thin branches, like on the drone, as one would expect to see... if the resolution was consistent. It appears the drone was photographed with a lower resolution, enlarged and added to the photo, then scanned to make it a homogenous picture (at the same resolution) at a much higher resolution.

If the “lines” were cause by the LMH scanner or Ty’s printer, one should expect to see this added anomaly on all features of the photo. That does not appear to be the case.

The problem is that we do not have the whole photo to work with. We are working with very little of the actual evidence here. We need the original “high-res” photos in order to really know anything (real or hoax) for sure.
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« Reply #681 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 8:18pm »

Hi Marvin,

Look at the bottom of the branch. It does have a small amount of moire on it. Look at the enlarged Chad drone. The large arm has a lot of that distortion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern Go check out the low res Ty photos. Those are really bad.
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« Reply #682 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 8:40pm »

on Sep 17th, 2007, 6:11pm, Marvin wrote:
Now you can see the “lines” show up in the thin “feelers.”

The feelers barely cover a few pixels of the original as can be seen by the 300% "no interpolation" image. This problem leads to the initial image of those relatively straight lines having moire patterns (as mentioned by latitude earlier).

When you "zoom" into the photo with your graphics software, it employs a technique to smooth the edges, otherwise it would look like the "no interpolation" image. I have shown two more possible smoothing techniques for zooming, notice that the "cubic interpolation" is better and almost as good as the twigs, but it still cannot work magic on the almost non-existent data.

Now, the question about the twigs looking natural, I think that since the twigs are oddly shaped, it is almost impossible to distinguish any naturally occurring "lines" in there. Any moire patterns or aliasing gets lost in the noise of the twig coloring and shape.

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« Reply #683 on: Sep 17th, 2007, 9:07pm »

on Sep 17th, 2007, 8:18pm, Latitude wrote:
Hi Marvin,

Look at the bottom of the branch. It does have a small amount of moire on it. Look at the enlarged Chad drone. The large arm has a lot of that distortion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moir%C3%A9_pattern Go check out the low res Ty photos. Those are really bad.


To say the lower resolution photos are really bad, is exactly right. You can not do any enlargement without introducing the pattern immediately. This also seems to agree that the drone was at lower resolution.


on Sep 17th, 2007, 8:40pm, onthefence55 wrote:
The feelers barely cover a few pixels of the original as can be seen by the 300% "no interpolation" image. This problem leads to the initial image of those relatively straight lines having moire patterns (as mentioned by latitude earlier).

When you "zoom" into the photo with your graphics software, it employs a technique to smooth the edges, otherwise it would look like the "no interpolation" image. I have shown two more possible smoothing techniques for zooming, notice that the "cubic interpolation" is better and almost as good as the twigs, but it still cannot work magic on the almost non-existent data.

Now, the question about the twigs looking natural, I think that since the twigs are oddly shaped, it is almost impossible to distinguish any naturally occurring "lines" in there. Any moire patterns or aliasing gets lost in the noise of the twig coloring and shape.

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I think this is getting to the heart of the matter. If you enlarge the high-res to 16X or 1600, I can not really create the pattern on the tree or the drone. The resolution is to high to do it. It also starts to show at 1600, but not very well. This also seems to demonstrate that two resolutions were used.

The thickness and shape of the vertical tree “trunk” is not that different from the “feelers” on the drone. The color is the same too. Someone is going to have to explain the difference when the drone shows these patterns about everywhere the blue is found, and on other areas as well, but not anywhere on the tree. I just does not make sense.
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« Reply #684 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 12:28am »

Castle4me posted that Arthur Reyes was too young..are you sure you have the correct Arthur Reyes, actually Arthur A. Reyes?


http://www-cse.uta.edu/~reyes/personal/dream_log.htm#2003

He likes to make model planes and spacecraft
http://utamagazine.uta.edu/spring_2003/buzz/reyes.html

He's led the univ in several aeronautical uav championships his photo included
http://www.cse.uta.edu/news/2006/auvteam.asp

He likes FDDL programmers Teacher ..the stuff PACL did
this is his bio
http://www-cse.uta.edu/~reyes/research/reyes_biography.htm

His dreamlogs are the the same as ours UFOs

Is Tai Chi Esoteric?

Don't most professional artists writers scientists put something of themselves in their work or hobbies, like a signature?

I thought this might help
That crop Circle alphabet is a nice find by the way
If this is a hoax they seem to be using adhoc off the shelf symbols, letters, GPS (autonomous)controlled pipe pigs, pipe benders, and materials..which Texas an oil state would have , and is also Reyes home state..Curious


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« Reply #685 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 01:26am »

on Sep 17th, 2007, 9:07pm, Marvin wrote:
The thickness and shape of the vertical tree “trunk” is not that different from the “feelers” on the drone. The color is the same too. Someone is going to have to explain the difference when the drone shows these patterns about everywhere the blue is found, and on other areas as well, but not anywhere on the tree. I just does not make sense.

There's nothing to explain. Purple fringing is a problem that no camera is immune to, it appears only at high contrast edges and this holds true in drone images. This argument was discarded long ago. Also, extreme digital magnification won't get you anywhere. It simply doesn't recreate details that aren't there to start with.
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« Reply #686 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 04:40am »

on Sep 17th, 2007, 9:07pm, Marvin wrote:
This also seems to demonstrate that two resolutions were used.

The thickness and shape of the vertical tree “trunk” is not that different from the “feelers” on the drone. The color is the same too. Someone is going to have to explain the difference when the drone shows these patterns about everywhere the blue is found, and on other areas as well, but not anywhere on the tree. I just does not make sense.

Mufon says it is very bad CG but it's not my opinion. If it was bad CG, someone would have found the proof of it being a fake. If this is good CG, there is absolutely no reason that two different resolutions were used.
By the way, could someone indicate me where Mufon sees "radiosity" on the drone? Which photo and where, because I couldn't find it by myself.
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« Reply #687 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 06:51am »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 01:26am, nekitamo wrote:
There's nothing to explain. Purple fringing is a problem that no camera is immune to, it appears only at high contrast edges and this holds true in drone images. This argument was discarded long ago. Also, extreme digital magnification won't get you anywhere. It simply doesn't recreate details that aren't there to start with.



nekitamo, I think you misunderstand what I am asking.

I am not questioning the purple fringing.

I am pointing out an apparent difference in resolution (DPI) between the drone and the rest of the objects in the photo.

I am not looking for details that are not there. I am looking at why the drone is already creating a "moire pattern" at 100% enlargement, but the rest of the photo is not, and will not, even at 1600% enlargement. That is the question I am asking.
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« Reply #688 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 07:48am »

Marvin,
Is the problem you are pointing out with Chad's photo or Ty's photo. It sounds like you are trying to compare one with the other. There are too many unknowns in their origins to do that IMO.
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« Reply #689 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 08:29am »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 04:40am, isawaufooverparis wrote:
Mufon says it is very bad CG but it's not my opinion. If it was bad CG, someone would have found the proof of it being a fake. If this is good CG, there is absolutely no reason that two different resolutions were used.
By the way, could someone indicate me where Mufon sees "radiosity" on the drone? Which photo and where, because I couldn't find it by myself.


Yes and would someone please answer -

on Sep 13th, 2007, 05:05am, Gort wrote:
I don't know the details of the investigation but when the witness contacted MUFON (how was that made known?) was it merely an anonymous submission of photos, an e-mail with links to photos, was there actually a person to interview? Did a meeting take place and was the witness interviewed? Did the witness request an interview? Or did the witness merely submit photos and not request an interview?

Anyone can submit photos to Mufon but that does not constitute an investigation.

So what exactly did this witness request? What were the comments to Mufon? Was it merely a submission of photos by e-mail? Was there ever a request for a personal interview? If it was only an anonymous submission of photos by someone with a screen name that would leave Mufon without much to go on. As far as a continued investigation based on Internet information, not likely.

Also, I would not expect much from the Mufon BB. Lately it seems to be dominated by the fringe element and I see where many of the original mainstream rational contributors have dropped out.
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