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« Reply #720 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 8:54pm »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 8:15pm, interocitor wrote:
I don't know what the drones are, but I do know that some of the Isaac info and some of the drone info is based in good sound thinking and plain logic. At this late date, how can it ever be proved either way. If someone confessed and said " I hoaxed it all" posters would spring out of the woodwork to say "no you did not". Why try to resolve it, learn from it and apply what you learn to the next case. I truly wonder after all this if there will be a next case of any importance. Oh, and UFOs and the idea that such can really be are FUN, if it was misery, who would be interested. Personally, I hope they are real, look around you and you will see why. Look with an honest eye at what we humans are doing.

It already happened on OMF three days before the Isaac stuff broke.

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Reply #420 on Jun 23, 2007, 8:40pm

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You may call me Ty or Stephen but my name is really Mike. I am the creator of the Big Basin UFO images. I decided to create them after I found the link to Chad and Rajman1977s pictures on another forum. I am a student studying computer graphics and I was curious to see what would happen if I made my own UFO and tried to pass it off as real. I am amazed at the number of people who are willing to believe this is real. It took me about 3 days to render my drone from scratch and the pictures from Big Basin were from a outing I had with my family their a few days before. I would apologise for the confusion, but you people are just silly if you are going to believe in UFOs without hard proof.! I hope this finaly settles your arguement and you all become aware that UFOs only exist in science fiction and movies.
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« Reply #721 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 8:54pm »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 5:17pm, VonStern wrote:
The number "eight" (8) is occuring in most of "Isaac"'s Primers.

As I've investigated this, it might relate to the planet Venus, or just a coincidence in Earth Myth.

http://www.angelfire.com/ab6/imuhtuk/gdmans/poligrams.htm

Not that it has any resemblance, but it just might have been the way early scriptures evolved, the source of this is yet unknown.


The use of Octagrams, may just hide the true nature of the "Linguistic Primers".

What do we know that come in 8'th?

01010203

Yep, computer language. (Binary)

As we've grown, 16 of the same comes to mind. Not to forget the 64 ones. Now we're using 128...

Go for this, you smart guys and girls....

The barcode might just be the upscale in numbers...extended ones *?

He's clever, our "Isaac".

--VonStern


Musical octaves come in 8. Music is a universal language... maybe some intelligent race integrated computations in musical form. Or would that be too "Close Encounter of the 3rd kind-ish"
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« Reply #722 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 8:58pm »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 8:54pm, Latitude wrote:
It already happened on OMF three days before the Isaac stuff broke.

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Reply #420 on Jun 23, 2007, 8:40pm

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You may call me Ty or Stephen but my name is really Mike. I am the creator of the Big Basin UFO images. I decided to create them after I found the link to Chad and Rajman1977s pictures on another forum. I am a student studying computer graphics and I was curious to see what would happen if I made my own UFO and tried to pass it off as real. I am amazed at the number of people who are willing to believe this is real. It took me about 3 days to render my drone from scratch and the pictures from Big Basin were from a outing I had with my family their a few days before. I would apologise for the confusion, but you people are just silly if you are going to believe in UFOs without hard proof.! I hope this finaly settles your arguement and you all become aware that UFOs only exist in science fiction and movies.



Only thing is... this guy is obviously from the UK because the spelling of s instead of z in apologise. So, most likely NOT in Big Basin smiley
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« Reply #723 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 9:10pm »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 8:58pm, castles4me wrote:
Only thing is... this guy is obviously from the UK because the spelling of s instead of z in apologise. So, most likely NOT in Big Basin smiley


Actually, he turned out to be a hick from South Carolina, USA. Ivo traced his ip and outed him. He was only a 20 year old hit and run punk. It was funny to watch as many of the hoax crowd were celebrating till Ivo blew the guy's cover.
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« Reply #724 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 9:12pm »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 9:10pm, Latitude wrote:
Actually, he turned out to be a hick from South Carolina, USA. Ivo traced his ip and outed him. He was only a 20 year old hit and run punk. .


Oh, then that explains the misspelling cool
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« Reply #725 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 11:04pm »

Musical scales is something Len Horowitz talks about in

DNA Pirates of the Sacred Spiral

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9061550232536519022


also the use of symbols.. very interesting to listen to..
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« Reply #726 on: Sep 18th, 2007, 11:13pm »

Thank you castle four taking a second look at Arthur. I did not pick him merely for his computer background, or even his hobby of building models...It was his reverence for Tai Chi , that none of the other players had. Why is this important..because Because Neil Bohr, a quantum physicist made no pretense of his devotion to the geometries, and philosophy of natural relationships.. of this Art dating back nearly 5000 years.
AS you are seeing , Binary numbers are coming out..That was a tai concept. The same principles of Einsteins E=Mc^2 are found in also, but he was never able to prove that grand unifying theory Arthur has that same admiration..The fibonacci numbers and even mandelbrots..are traceable. Its quite amazing.

http://www.69yinyang.com/ICscience/scientists.html

The crop circles source of geometries is no mystery.The same as Arthurs.. Most of our greatest scientists..were philosophers first and developed their theories by observing nature. Arthur is drawing from that same source and order he sees in the universe and has put it in that diagram.
So this is in a way a Teachers question..what do you see, what patterns and relationships derived from Yin Yang.
This is the order of the universe self organizing and yet has limits..we are all one..the singularity message..Kurzweils Machines are a part of us..and we will become evolve with the machines. (I hope not like Borg)

So I do not consider it a hoax..in the traditional way..but a believer like ourselves that understanding the ETs will require us understanding and appreciating the beauty in Natures laws is what will evolve us..I wish I had studied my old math and science teachers..
But some of you appear splendidly to do so..
So if someone says all phtos are hoax..and thats all..they have missed the entire lesson..
There is something here for us all and urge you to continue this angle of attack ..Everything you need is there..you don't need witnesses..or pix..its in the diagram and Isaacs clues..remember he said you can assign any value you want..the function will still be the same.

Good Night and Good Luck

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Vern here is a link may explain the venus relationship..its by a man and his friend who saw a Ufo
and he dedicated his life studying ancient geometries. and did things with planetary and solar geometry..It may kick start you..Salad posted a slew of crop circles and subatomic collisions that mimicked the patterns we see in the diagrams..again..the same in the macro as well as the micro..the tiniest part has the same information as the whole..are these atoms or are they planets..they are the same.The essence of Tai..follow that and you will find the "creator"
http://solargeometry.com/index.htm

To Skeptic and Believer Niel Bohr said it best
The great truth is a statement whose opposite is also a great truth.






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« Reply #727 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 07:58am »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 7:54pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Ddp, if thats the case then its my mistake, and in my defence it is the exact portion of the image to which the CGI experts were referring.


Hi DrDil, i never implied nor even suggested that you'd been cheating or something : i was thinking that your image had gone through this "smoothing and contrasting software" that someone here had discovered, a couple of months ago.
Here is a portion of the "original" pic. When magnified on your desktop, you'll probably not see the same accurate details on the wheel :
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« Reply #728 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 09:42am »

on Sep 18th, 2007, 11:13pm, TeachersPet wrote:
Thank you castle four taking a second look at Arthur. I


Well I am not going to be so close minded to not at least see what you all were talking about... but my feeling is still that the drones, Isaac and the PACL documents are real, regardless of how much Arthur Reyes is into Tai Chi... and the whole esoteric theologies one could muster up concerning the linguistics primers. If you base your assumption on the fact that this particular scientist is into theories of infinite numbers and mandlebrots... well I am sure there are thousands that fit that category.

I don't think there is a person on this board that is a believer, that, if proof given of a hoax, could not gracefully accept it and say "well, it's been a fun ride, and wow.. ok this IS a hoax after all.... we really worked on this to determine the facts and now the facts show it is a hoax," and then be done with it.

But, I still don't see any facts that prove it is a hoax, no matter if Dr. Reyes or anyone else was the perpetrator. If you have facts, please post them. Otherwise, it's just another speculation.
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« Reply #729 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54am »

In the General section of the board.... poster 3rdman is supposedly CGI expert, is making (its a hoax) comments on drone photos here is the link:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1190126132&start=0#1190212939

I will go ahead and post it here.... at least he is explaining his "It's CGI" statement. Most just come in here say "Its CGI" and leave without an explanation. I have asked him to come to this thread for further discussion.

on Sep 19th, 2007, 09:42am, 3rdman wrote:
Hi again all: I would first like to say that I do not want to incur the ire of those that are buying into these "photos." I would also like to add that the burden of proof lies with the individuals who have posted them. I say "individuals" as it is clear that they are the work of two different (perhaps more) 2D digital compositors. One of whom has a better understanding of light and shadow and the "black ranges" within the spectrum as they appear on 3 dimensional objects. In the visual effects industry the ability to comprehend the balancing of blacks within a the color spectrum is more of an art than a craft.
So let's get started. The unprecedented clarity of the California/Capitola (CC) shots should be an immediate "red-flag" to any of us who take the UFO phenomenon as seriously as we do. Compare this series of photos to ALL the photos posted on the Casebook site...these "jump out" front and center. I'll be xxxxed if I can find a single photo to match any of this series.
Getting back to the "blacks." The other "red-flag" as it pertains to the CC shots is the overall diffused nature of the shadows upon the craft. Not to mention the inconsistent shadow depth within different parts of the craft. The underside of the wing structures are almost a neutral gray while the inner circle (fuselage) of the craft has a tendency to be darker. This is particularly suspicious in regards to the circular ducted fans on the wing structures. One would assume that these fans (directional stability units whatever they are) have a certain mechanical depth to them. Hence there details should be darker. I must also mention the telltale blurred blue haze around the wing structures in the close-ups are a sure sign of a multiple planed image. Better known as the "halo." When I say "multiple planed" I mean in vfx parlance a foreground plate; the trees and hills, and a background plate; the craft itself. What we call a "comp," short for composite done in the computer on any number of compositing programs. SHAKE comes to mind as an accepted industry standard.
Keeping shadows in mind. The Tahoe/Big Basin (TBB) shots stand up better to scrutiny. The Tahoe shot past the roof line of the house is a comp (multiple planed image) done with a bit more expertise. The sun passes the craft and bounces off the earth. In nature the craft would have a darker under shadow; it does. The person responsible for this set has a better understanding of the play of light upon objects in the sky. The CC shots would be more convincing if the under shadows on the craft were darker.
As for my earlier contention the digital visual effects program MAYA was used. I would like to make it clear that it could have been any number of digital programs. However, MAYA is well-known for it's worth in building an image or in this case a space craft, from the ground up. Once designed (in grid form), it is textured (made solid), colored (painted), and lit (shadows added). At that point it can be rotated 360 degrees so any part of the craft can be used to support the needs of the designer's background plate. The real trick is making sure you've lit the craft to match your background plates and have taken into consideration the play of shadow as it bounces off the earth to an object in the sky. Keeping all of this in mind the TBB shots are more true to life due to the handling of the shadows within the color spectrum. And perhaps real if you want to accept them as real. I cannot accept these as real, but the TBB shots stand up better under digital criticism. In addition, this shadow play is even more difficult to perfect if you do away with a program like MAYA and build a craft "in the round" meaning a "model." You then photograph the model in front of a green screen and then it place over your background plate. This is a possibility in this particular case as the inscriptions on the CC shots look a lot like they came from decals off any one of a thousand Japanese Bandai or Otaki Gundam model kits.
I hope this has helped a bit and you may not chose to take it as "proof," but I
simply sought to shed some light on what I think are some artfully done hoaxes. Much like the (now legendary) Twin Towers comp video promo for the SciFi Channel, done by a small studio back east. Too many people bought that video as "fact," when it was done in the computer by a very skilled and respected digital artist. I wish you all the best and keep looking towards the skies. -- 3rdman
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« Reply #730 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 11:08am »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54am, castles4me wrote:
In the General section of the board.... poster 3rdman is supposedly CGI expert, is making (its a hoax) comments on drone photos here is the link:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1190126132&start=0#1190212939

I will go ahead and post it here.... at least he is explaining his "It's CGI" statement. Most just come in here say "Its CGI" and leave without an explanation. I have asked him to come to this thread for further discussion.



One big problem with people who are biased against the drones to begin with is that they don't take into consideration the "logistics" of the craft. For instance, how can you cite shading when if the craft is real, it is obviously operating under some type of field, which would affect light to some degree.

Here is an example for this man to try to rationalise, I wish him luck:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6247
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on Sep 19th, 2007, 09:42am, castles4me wrote:
Well I am not going to be so close minded to not at least see what you all were talking about... but my feeling is still that the drones, Isaac and the PACL documents are real, regardless of how much Arthur Reyes is into Tai Chi... and the whole esoteric theologies one could muster up concerning the linguistics primers. If you base your assumption on the fact that this particular scientist is into theories of infinite numbers and mandlebrots... well I am sure there are thousands that fit that category.

I don't think there is a person on this board that is a believer, that, if proof given of a hoax, could not gracefully accept it and say "well, it's been a fun ride, and wow.. ok this IS a hoax after all.... we really worked on this to determine the facts and now the facts show it is a hoax," and then be done with it.

But, I still don't see any facts that prove it is a hoax, no matter if Dr. Reyes or anyone else was the perpetrator. If you have facts, please post them. Otherwise, it's just another speculation.
I say the same thing, soon some one is going to come with some crap about the language is made up, whenthey are looking at symbols fo the first writings from on high,also no differant than syretic,accadian,phoenician,aramic,hebrew,ashuric,aribic,sumerian,ghe'ez amharic,and even farsi(persian)all coming from a language brought to the planet earth by ET later called eloheem.you can prove those cg pictures that has been copied from the originals,and then only then can some one come up with a hoax. simply put the drones are as real as ET whom constucted them among other crafts. seems to me that et are leting earthlings know that with your back engingnered machinery they ET is still the boss. grin
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on Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54am, castles4me wrote:
In the General section of the board.... poster 3rdman is supposedly CGI expert, is making (its a hoax) comments on drone photos here is the link:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1190126132&start=0#1190212939

I will go ahead and post it here.... at least he is explaining his "It's CGI" statement. Most just come in here say "Its CGI" and leave without an explanation. I have asked him to come to this thread for further discussion.

remember people are stilll out in this world that like to play mind games,testing to see if you are sure about your self or the drones or anything ect. think . mind your mind for the jewels of your soul. take note you have to be careful even here on earth you have agreeable beings and dis agreeable being and the same on high with ET. and what the disagreeable beings like to do ,they strive on confusion in anothers mishap. have anice day. grin
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on Sep 19th, 2007, 09:54am, castles4me wrote:
In the General section of the board.... poster 3rdman is supposedly CGI expert, is making (its a hoax) comments on drone photos here is the link:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&num=1190126132&start=0#1190212939

I will go ahead and post it here.... at least he is explaining his "It's CGI" statement. Most just come in here say "Its CGI" and leave without an explanation. I have asked him to come to this thread for further discussion.

remember people are stilll out in this world that like to play mind games,testing to see if you are sure about your self or the drones or anything ect. think . mind your mind for the jewels of your soul. take note you have to be careful even here on earth you have agreeable beings and dis agreeable being and the same on high with ET. and what the disagreeable beings like to do ,they strive on confusion in anothers mishap. have anice day. grin
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« Reply #734 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 11:34am »

This post to another forum from a guy named Denny basically sums up my response:

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Among the supposed torrent of "pathetic and gullible" ufologists there is an equally loud and obnoxious group of supposed "experts" barking loudly about the drone story. It's been pretty entertaining actually hearing the carbon copy responses to the drone story, from this egomaniacal slice of CG society. It would seem everyone is an expert these days because they can plunk around in 3DSmax and Photoshop.

More to the point, I think that you'll find with a look in the right places, that your knee jerk reaction to the case is largely unjustified. Many of the things you "think" are wrong with the photos and CARET docs are likely not what they appear to be. Radiosity rendering has been discounted along with supposed rendering artifacts and other stated "concerns". In fact many "experts" have already discounted the CG angle in favor of a physical prop shot on location. A variety of subtle details are apparent in high resolution versions of the photos which make the CG aspect highly unlikely. Some of these effects include purple fringing, micro surface distortion details, accurate and variable depth of field and a host of other optical FX which are much more easily attained with a camera and model.

On the CARET side of the coin there is some incredible linguistic study happening at the website mentioned below. There is more there than meets the eye and NO PROOF whatsoever that the glyphs were created in Illustrator. Speculation doesn't count as proof.


These people come to this topic with a preconceived opinion. They then use their knowledge of CGI (very conveniently) to attempt to prove that conclusion. It's the same as a model builder who will try to prove a hoax theory base on his model building talents. These are simply people who have decided to take a stance against the case because they don't believe in ET drones and government reverse engineering. They think their reasoning will be more credible because of their knowledge in CGI or model building. For that reason they think they have an obligation to present their side.

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