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« Reply #735 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 11:48am »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:08am, tomi01uk wrote:
One big problem with people who are biased against the drones to begin with is that they don't take into consideration the "logistics" of the craft. For instance, how can you cite shading when if the craft is real, it is obviously operating under some type of field, which would affect light to some degree.

Here is an example for this man to try to rationalise, I wish him luck:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6247


Besides, there's nothing wrong with the shadows any way. He's making it up. The shadows are spot on. I have picked these shadows apart looking for a smoking gun and it's not there. They are not diffused or anything like that. There are many variables in photography. For somebody to think they have considered them all is arrogant. That's it "CGI Arrogance". This is my new buzz word for these guys. They think because they can click around in graphics software that somehow makes them a lighting and photograhy expert.
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« Reply #736 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 12:38pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:48am, Latitude wrote:
Besides, there's nothing wrong with the shadows any way. He's making it up. The shadows are spot on. I have picked these shadows apart looking for a smoking gun and it's not there. They are not diffused or anything like that. There are many variables in photography. For somebody to think they have considered them all is arrogant. That's it "CGI Arrogance". This is my new buzz word for these guys. They think because they can click around in graphics software that somehow makes them a lighting and photograhy expert.

Well, you know, none of the CGI crew could ever replicate the drones, but given enough time they should be able to. Maybe when anti-gravity and invisibility technology is available then they'll be able to re-create the drone images phenomenon perfectly cheesy
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« Reply #737 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 12:45pm »

Possible drone posted to OMF

http://tinyurl.com/2e7o96
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« Reply #738 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 12:56pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 12:45pm, Latitude wrote:
Possible drone posted to OMF

http://tinyurl.com/2e7o96


OMG Lat -- that looks like the silhouette of a drone going across his vision between him and the moon.

At first I didn't know what to click -- it is the little news clip movie. I was WONDERING when we would get more drones on camera... I knew it was just a matter of time smiley Sure looks like a drone to me!!!

He said it had spikes protruding out and other at 90 degree angles. It looks like it has a long tail.

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« Reply #739 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 2:23pm »

I think the news piece said he reported to MUFON and NUFORC and then took the film to Morehead University. I posted there on the news site (I see Lat beat me to it lol) and I also emailed the news station and will see what I can do also to contact the person who made the film. Hopefully he can come here and post his comments. Great find, whoever from OMF found this!
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« Reply #740 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 2:27pm »

I'm interested to read for MUFON's report on this one.
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« Reply #741 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 3:15pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 2:27pm, drewlac wrote:
I'm interested to read for MUFON's report on this one.


Yeah, I hope they don't bungle this witness!!

Hey.... I did a comparison from one of the Chad photos to the "Moon Drone"

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« Reply #742 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 3:49pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 11:08am, tomi01uk wrote:
One big problem with people who are biased against the drones to begin with is that they don't take into consideration the "logistics" of the craft. For instance, how can you cite shading when if the craft is real, it is obviously operating under some type of field, which would affect light to some degree.

Here is an example for this man to try to rationalise, I wish him luck:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6247


I'm not buying ANY of his explainations, the line, these jump right out at you ticks me off. It seems people would rather squint at light blobs looking for structure.
As far as the shadows go, what is he talking about ? Nothing wrong at all with them, he's forgetting the craft is of light color, light reflects and bounces.
If you really want to stand by what you said 3rd man make me one that looks JUST LIKE IT !!! I need you to show me and everyone in here that it can be duplicated, other than that your words are empty.
I think I have found the pole in Capitola, but it's missing some elevation from the point pic was taken.
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« Reply #743 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 3:51pm »

another crude comparison with the Chad drone -- I think we have a match.

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« Reply #744 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 3:56pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:49pm, LangLee wrote:
I think I have found the pole in Capitola, but it's missing some elevation from the point pic was taken.

You found the Capitola pole?

Do tell more!

Got any pics?

Can you survey the area, can you knock on the neighbors doors and ask about the new son-in-law Raj?
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« Reply #745 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 4:00pm »

castle4me,latitude,great it my turn some eyes this way. good match c4me. cool
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #746 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 4:01pm »

I have been experimenting to see if I can demonstrate what I have been saying about the Ty high-res photo.

1. The drone was made at a lower resolution than the background photo with the trees.
2. The drone shows “moire patterns” and the trees do not. This is not due to the shape of the trees, but to the resolution difference.
3. The two were combined into a high resolution picture.

Let’s look at the following statements:

on Sep 18th, 2007, 11:22am, Latitude wrote:
Marvin,

Moire patterns normally manifest themselves in images with straight lines. They will always be more easily identified among artificial structures for that reason and natural structures less so. When those straight lines are superimposed with the orientation of another series of straight lines (scanner lines) then a moire pattern is produced. The moire pattern may also be in the trees to some degree but it is much harder to detect due to the randomness of the branches and foliage and the fact that those are not straight and clearly defined lines. That's another way of saying what OTF already told you.


This statement leads one to believe the reason we are not seeing the moire pattern on the trees in the high-res photo is due to their structure or shape. They are not straight lines, but natural structures.

As I have said, the shapes on the drone “feelers” are not that different in shape than the tree “trunk” and that we should be seeing that same pattern in the trees as on the drone. I have been saying that the difference has been caused by a difference in resolution between the original drone “picture” and the background or photo of the trees. This is now hidden after combining the two “objects” into one photo, then “scanning” it at a high resolution (I am assuming it was scanned).

Here is the original photo of the trees at 100% enlargement.

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If I take the original high-res photo and reduce it to 15%, save that version, then enlarge that picture by 800%, this is what the trees look like:

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As you can see, the moire pattern clearly shows up on the “trunk” of the tree (like I said). We could not see this pattern in the high-res photo because the resolution or DPI of that photo is so much greater. Reduce the DPI, and we can now easily produce the pattern. This is why the pattern is on the drone, but not on the trees. Because the original DPI of the drone was less than the current photo, it was enlarged to be the correct size, and the two were married together into the current version at the current DPI.

I was also looking at the “grain” on the high-res photo:

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But in the photo reduced to 15% and then enlarged 800%:

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Even when enlarged, the shadows now loose a lot of their graininess and look much more natural. Notice the new moire pattern on the “feelers.” This is important to note, especially that a moire pattern will be created on enlargement… but the other features are interesting too.

Here is the reduced photo (to 15%) so that you can play with it or you can do your own work with the original high-res photo:

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on Sep 18th, 2007, 1:26pm, Latitude wrote:
The feelers are straight and clearly defined lines. The tree tops are not. The reason that the hi res show less moire is because of the scanner. In hi res mode it uses more scan lines. It's the interaction between lines in the photo and the lines of the scanner that creates the moire.



I believe we have answered the idea that 1) there is a structure difference causing the pattern on one but not the other, 2) somehow the lines or moire patterns on the drone were created by a scanner. The scanner would not selectively choose to create the pattern on the drone and not on the trees.

As I have shown, the moire pattern on the drone can be caused by a resolution difference. Unless some one can recreate a legitimate scanned photo where only one object generates “moire” lines in that photo (because I can’t do it), then I believe the Ty case is beginning to crack.
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« Reply #747 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 7:03pm »

on Sep 16th, 2007, 7:17pm, Latitude wrote:
He says the alien fried his fingers off similar to how it burnt his toenails off and crispy crittered his foot. Also this guy supposedly was strangled to death with piano wire shortly after these videos were made.
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my spirtual guide and teacher told me once whom is an abductee himself,in general some goverments are going to keep messing around with them aliens,you know the rest if this is what actualy happened to this guy for real and he had a gun, wow let me think of all the kind words or things i can do for ET.i think it is wise to send rover or spirit lander up to mars or the moon, and see if the coast is clear, and that we dont have any hostile intentions on them. wink
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« Reply #748 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 7:12pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 3:56pm, onthefence55 wrote:
You found the Capitola pole?

Do tell more!

Got any pics?

Can you survey the area, can you knock on the neighbors doors and ask about the new son-in-law Raj?


I'm not sure if it's "The 1", there's so much ground to cover and you have to look at it in such a way as to if you had taken the pic with the corner of the house the lamp, and pole in view.

Coordinates:

36" 58' 58.43" N
36" 58' 52 09 N
121 56 43.16W elev.110ft.
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« Reply #749 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 7:44pm »

Wow! that moon possible drone footage is amazing - and they reported it without sarcasm!

Nice comparison Castles. I wonder if that might raise a few eyebrows at that station.
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