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« Reply #75 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 2:21pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 1:58pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Don't get me started then on MUFON. I want to show you something so bad but I can't. What I can say is how do we bring them anything when for the last month I've got nothing but auto-response emails from them. Three times. I'll go for a fourth today.

Here's the Gulf Breeze mess.
http://ufos.about.com/od/visualproofphotosvideo/p/gulfbreeze.htm


I can't answer regarding the email. But they have a directory for each state, with each state subdivided into local areas. I believe contact information for state directors is available on the web site. From there they should direct you to the local representative. I don't think people at the top want to speak over the folk at the local level. So if you haven't tried the local level first there may be a reluctance from anyone higher up (don't know who you emailed). But again I can't speak for them and my suggestion would be to start at the local level. They in turn may be able to help you directly or suggest something else.

Not wishing to reopen this (Gulf B.) or pour salt in any wounds but it seems that in the end Mufon believed the sightings as genuine.

And you agree with this but are disappointed in the way the whole investigation was conducted?




"Watson's reinvestigation found no basis for rejecting the original MUFON conclusion...that Ed Walters IS TELLING THE TRUTH........

Thus, it is still my conclusion, as the current State Section Directory for the Walters case, that "Ed Walters' UFO photographs, and his accompanying story, must still be accepted as the truth."
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« Reply #76 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 2:37pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 2:21pm, Gort wrote:
I can't answer regarding the email. But they have a directory for each state, with each state subdivided into local areas. I believe contact information for state directors is available on the web site. From there they should direct you to the local representative. I don't think people at the top want to speak over the folk at the local level. So if you haven't tried the local level first there may be a reluctance from anyone higher up (don't know who you emailed). But again I can't speak for them and my suggestion would be to start at the local level. They in turn may be able to help you directly or suggest something else.


that sounds logical. I wonder if we could contact the Big Basin California area guy and see what they would do on a local level to track down the witnesses.
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« Reply #77 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 2:55pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 2:37pm, castles4me wrote:
that sounds logical. I wonder if we could contact the Big Basin California area guy and see what they would do on a local level to track down the witnesses.


You could try, but typically it’s the other way around; the witness seeks Mufon. I really doubt if Mufon would have anything more available to them then you or I in finding someone who has chosen to remain seclusive.

Now if you could convince the witness to contact Mufon their anonymity would be assured at the very least.
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« Reply #78 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 4:59pm »

on Aug 29th, 2007, 10:13pm, Arkhangels wrote:
Hi People!!
I've made another analysis of what could be the case of Ty's pictures KK and LL...

I kept the camera cone angle the same size and in the same position that in Analysis 1 of photo KK (and LL).
I kept Ty in the same position in LL, but rotated a little bit the camera cone more to the right (with the same size of course)
In the LL I just showed 100% visible the drones in one interval that they would still fit in LL considering an error margin.


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I think the answer is now in the angles of the image from photo KK to LL rolleyes

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This is what I am seeing, as Ty moves from KK to LL, Ty also changes the vertical angle of the camera (Ty looks up, maybe squats down at the time). As I have shown, the drone does not move, just Ty moves. So I think we can get an idea of location (and maybe size) of the drone between these two photos. I am still working on it (when I have spare time).
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« Reply #79 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 6:02pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 2:55pm, Gort wrote:
Now if you could convince the witness to contact Mufon their anonymity would be assured at the very least.


It's already been done. The second witness to come forward was Tahoe Wife. She took her report and pictures directly to Mufon. That's one of the reasons Mufon has so much blame.
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« Reply #80 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 6:10pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 2:37pm, castles4me wrote:
that sounds logical. I wonder if we could contact the Big Basin California area guy and see what they would do on a local level to track down the witnesses.


The Northern California Mufon rep used to post on ATS. He was a nice guy. Maybe somebody can invite him to register here to answer some questions. I would but I'm banned.
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« Reply #81 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 9:54pm »

Hi guys!

I´ve just come accross an interesting clip, may be you´ve seen that one already, I don´t know and if not, then I´m a lucky guy.

So, here it is!

Sigils, Magick, and The Ancient Alien Torah
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WHc4ecUO1HY
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« Reply #82 on: Aug 30th, 2007, 10:32pm »

Good find
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« Reply #83 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 07:02am »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 4:59pm, Marvin wrote:
This is what I am seeing, as Ty moves from KK to LL, Ty also changes the vertical angle of the camera (Ty looks up, maybe squats down at the time). As I have shown, the drone does not move, just Ty moves. So I think we can get an idea of location (and maybe size) of the drone between these two photos. I am still working on it (when I have spare time).


I agree that the position of the photographer changed between KK and LL. I found that I have to scale the LL image by about 121% (and translate and rotate) in order for the trees on the right to match KK. For the tree on the left, I have to scale LL by about 118%. That means the photographer was further away from all the trees when he took the LL image. Now, since the trees bracket the drone, the drone should have to be scaled by something between 118% and 121% if it remained stationary. But, I only had to scale the drone by 103% in LL to match the size of the drone in the KK image. That means to me that the drone moved toward the photographer enough to almost compensate for his backing up between KK and LL.

Since the long fin on the drone is behind the leaves of the tree on the left in photo LL, it was at least that far away from the photographer.
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« Reply #84 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 1:31pm »

on Aug 30th, 2007, 9:54pm, Cheop wrote:
Hi guys!

I´ve just come accross an interesting clip, may be you´ve seen that one already, I don´t know and if not, then I´m a lucky guy.

So, here it is!

Sigils, Magick, and The Ancient Alien Torah
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WHc4ecUO1HY
very good. so now can the drones be back egine?
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« Reply #85 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 2:11pm »

off topic -- but I saw this vid on you tube, and I was wondering if any of you can do an image capture towards the end -- before the entity's eyes glow, and change the lighting so I can see what this is. The video says it's a "fallen angel" I zoomed in on it, and it looked more like an alien to me-- or human prankster. Can someone get a still shot of him and lighten it up etc ?? Maybe one at .51 and one at .53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5j6ha1t_T0&mode=related&search=
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« Reply #86 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 2:44pm »

on Aug 31st, 2007, 2:11pm, castles4me wrote:
off topic -- but I saw this vid on you tube, and I was wondering if any of you can do an image capture towards the end -- before the entity's eyes glow, and change the lighting so I can see what this is. The video says it's a "fallen angel" I zoomed in on it, and it looked more like an alien to me-- or human prankster. Can someone get a still shot of him and lighten it up etc ?? Maybe one at .51 and one at .53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5j6ha1t_T0&mode=related&search=


I think it’s just one of friends messing about as in the image in the top right hand corner you can see his head waiting to turn around, and in the main image looks like this, “Fallen angel” may have a moustache…… wink

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« Reply #87 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 3:07pm »

on Aug 31st, 2007, 2:11pm, castles4me wrote:
"fallen angel/or human prankster


Ok, somebody keep castles4me out of the youtubes. She's going to be wigging by Christmas. grin

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« Reply #88 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 3:21pm »

on Aug 31st, 2007, 3:07pm, Atrueoriginall wrote:
Ok, somebody keep castles4me out of the youtubes. She's going to be wigging by Christmas. grin



lol try Labor Day ? grin


DrDil -- thanks for the effort... pretty scary looking friend!!
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« Reply #89 on: Aug 31st, 2007, 3:55pm »

Have you ever considered WHY the Drones might be here? As stated earlier, they might have been here for a long, long time. As the way they work may be one thing, as described earlier in this continous thread, but why? Has it to do with Aliens monitoring us, or seeking new grounds? Maybe it's more complex that anyone up until now has been trying to unfold, if this dense mashinery are working our planet, why? Is it as some members say, to keep up with OUR way of using this Planet, and doing so eliminating it for further growth as once planned, as in the Mayans Calender, or in the ancient scriptures of our own religion, what that might be in it's diversity thoughout the World?

Who's to say?

Not me and you, maybe it lies in the interpretations of the "Primers" Isaac provided...

The real Enigma is lying in our selves, true believers, or the "Fencesitters", asking how this world we live in eventually came to be, as we ask ourselves: Why Are WE Here, that question has yet to be answered, but as I see it, we're on our way, dechiffering the charts Isaac provided us with. This Could be the New Religion, unless, ofcourse, all this is proven hoax.

Have you ever asked your self, truly, why YOU are here, at this time? Is there a purpose, or are we all just a part of pure "Coincidence"?? What can we do in our short time here on this Earth, that extends to Millenniums?? Maybe the Drones harbour answers you and I can't grasp, but if we do not look for answers, we will never know what really goes on in this little window in time, where we exist!

Just some Philosofical thoughts, so get your best imagination out, and research every bit of information left in this one incidence...maybe this is the only true evidence, that it matters that we have lived here on this planet!

God gave us advice, are we to follow?

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