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« Reply #750 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:08pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 12:45pm, Latitude wrote:
Possible drone posted to OMF

http://tinyurl.com/2e7o96


Great find !!!
Where are all the cries for CGI ?
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« Reply #751 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:23pm »

on Sep 4th, 2007, 8:35pm, jugement wrote:
so lmh is geting professional advice asuring her isaac documents are not faked. isaac knows we are wore now ,if new info is to come by way of isaac ,i predict it very soon .no later than 1 month or less.
Latitude; if that moon shot is that of a drone,I predicted right on point. grin
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« Reply #752 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:33pm »

on Sep 5th, 2007, 12:46pm, jugement wrote:
no not a dream. gforce came up with isaac mite be a woman.castle4me asked that everyone go back and read the caret documents over. I could not sleep last night. i stared seeing werd looking aliens in my head. then bj booth name sounded then case book finaly latitude. then i got up out of the bed and loged on thats what i wrote. wink
onthefence55; wrote on ;09/05/07=to be clear for everyone, can you clarify how this came to you...in a dream? grin cool
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« Reply #753 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:46pm »

Well, Well, Well, looks like a drone in front of the moon and not far away at all. A simple explanation, so of course it must be CG and not what it appears to be. Now who will fake it first! Any guesses?
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« Reply #754 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 8:58pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 8:46pm, interocitor wrote:
Well, Well, Well, looks like a drone in front of the moon and not far away at all. A simple explanation, so of course it must be CG and not what it appears to be. Now who will fake it first! Any guesses?
Is this comformation that proves any thing about the drones?
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« Reply #755 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 9:38pm »

Looks good. Let's see what happens now. Thanks Lat & Castles4me.
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« Reply #756 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 10:16pm »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 7:44pm, MarkM wrote:
Wow! that moon possible drone footage is amazing - and they reported it without sarcasm!

Nice comparison Castles. I wonder if that might raise a few eyebrows at that station.


I am excited Mark. I know people at OMF have already within hours dismissed this as a splice case on a telephone pole.... while I respect the opinion of OTF and Lat, I am not so quick to rule this out just yet. I will look at the video again at work tomorrow... I have trouble viewing them at home. But, I just don't think it was something stationary.

Real or not... it's awesome that the station AND newspaper covered it! And that the guy is contacting MUFON and NUFORC and colleges in a quest to find out what it is. That takes guts, especially because he wasn't scared to put his name on the line either. That adds to the credibility.

(I finally posted at OMF earlier lol I had joined several months ago but never posted -- I am "DronesRus" !! lol)
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« Reply #757 on: Sep 19th, 2007, 10:24pm »

I like the looks of it and form my own opinion. The OMF crowd, whatever!
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« Reply #758 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 02:58am »

on Sep 13th, 2007, 05:05am, Gort wrote:
I don't know the details of the investigation but when the witness contacted MUFON (how was that made known?) was it merely an anonymous submission of photos, an e-mail with links to photos, was there actually a person to interview? Did a meeting take place and was the witness interviewed? Did the witness request an interview? Or did the witness merely submit photos and not request an interview?

Anyone can submit photos to Mufon but that does not constitute an investigation.

So what exactly did this witness request? What were the comments to Mufon? Was it merely a submission of photos by e-mail? Was there ever a request for a personal interview? If it was only an anonymous submission of photos by someone with a screen name that would leave Mufon without much to go on. As far as a continued investigation based on Internet information, not likely.


Seems the contact was just an email with no response just as I suspected.

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Hi Steven,

I am wondering if you would be willing clarify your stance on this issue?

1) How was it ascertained that Chad and Raj were the same person?

Comparing Email & IP addresses with what little was shared by the witness in the CMS case file and sources at 'OpenMindsForum.com' forum. (A large web forum that is everything but open minded!)

2) This weather report for that location and day seems to conflict with your info. http://tinyurl.com/2xert6

We used the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration. Using visual, water vapor, and infrared images. These images were viewed during the ENTIRE 24 hour period on the date in question. The weather in other so called alleged sightings, the weather appeared consistent with the hoaxed images. The only sighting where there was a conflict was with images showing clear skies, while the weather was overcast and raining in Capitola. I remembered the weather too, as I live not far from this location. See - http://www.noaa.gov/

3) I have seen reports from just as many CGI experts who say the photos are legit. Can the discrepancies in the photos be clearly illustrated and quantified? I have looked for the examples of radiosity and mottling but cannot see any correlation to CGI manipulation.

The 4 sources of which were two from outside MUFON in the special effects industry (one did work time to time for the History channels 'UFO Files'), and later with permission from Mufon, our own Mufon photo consultants, Dr. Bruce Macabee, and Mr. Jeff Sainio. It was felt important for MUFON experts to also verify the other experts to either confirm or dispute everyone's findings. The result was unanimous the images were fakes. Interestingly, peer review brought out new different reasons among the main reasons they were regarded as hoaxes. So apparently, there are a number of 'red flags' as to why the images are untruthful being claimed to be authentic. The analysis was objective, knowing all these experts opinions lean toward that UFO's being likely alien craft. Two of the outside experts are even possible abductees, so their 'slant' if anything is pre-existing.... it is towards UFO's being extraterrestrial in a very personal way. Still, the outside Mufon experts emphatically stated they were most definitely bogus.

4) What was the extent of your investigation into this case?

I did research for my state director checking the Capitola and Lake Tahoe sightings. Only the Lake Tahoe report was actually submitted to Mufon. The other reports were not. I only became involved when a report was submitted to the MUFON CMS. With actual personal information then available (only an email address) a follow up was possible compared to the other sightings. I write again...the so called witness gave only an email address to follow up with.

5) Did Mufon ever contact the "Tahoe wife" witness from Mufon case #7013?

Yes, I personally emailed myself the woman several times. They never replied.

6) Did Chad ever contact Mufon? How was his last name deciphered?

'A Chad' did not contact Mufon. His information was forwarded to us via a contact (and confirming myself) at the so called 'Open Mindsforum.com' web site.

7) Why are Chad's images attached to Mufon case # 7013?

For comparison purposes. Are you a Mufon Investigator having access?

8) Were any other witnesses contacted by Mufon?

Yes, no one wished to reply to me or to Mufon about this case.

Thanks

I cannot comment further. Other theories are being pursued. Including one that the images were internet sub advertizing for a new computer game. Another it is an elaborate goverment disinformation campaign to undermind credibility regarding the earlier dramatic Chicago O'Hare report that capitivated the world. The case is now being pursued by others in Mufon. Frankly I had too many more active, interesting, and promising cases to check out. A close encounter, and a abduction case. As one effects expert we contacted outside of Mufon stated...."the fakes were not even good fakes."

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« Reply #759 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 05:26am »

Is this really a drone? Strange.
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Could someone tell me if the guy who filmed it thinks it was close to him or far away from him? I couldn't understand well what is said in the film (they speak too rapidly)
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« Reply #760 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 06:22am »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 7:12pm, LangLee wrote:
I'm not sure if it's "The 1", there's so much ground to cover and you have to look at it in such a way as to if you had taken the pic with the corner of the house the lamp, and pole in view.

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36" 58' 58.43" N
36" 58' 52 09 N
121 56 43.16W elev.110ft.


Great find, Langlee!
But is there anybody else who can check this on the place??
With Google you can see so many electric poles, I think it's possible that only one can match exactly with THE One. (Many details, orientation of wire, the corner of the house, the trees, the lamp.....)
It would be great if we can have THE One!!
Keep continue the good work!
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« Reply #761 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 07:07am »

I posted this yesterday, but it did not appear in this particular thread (unless I'm just not seeing it) in response to the anger aimed at my postings. I will try to forward the Drone photos elsewhere within the CG industry for comment. Oh, and spare me the "CG arrogance" thoughts, it's counterproductive. Just trying to make a point. I repeat:

Ladies and Gentlemen: A quick addendum...I think it would be helpful to all involved if the o.c.n. (original camera negative) of the "Drone" photos was subjected to scans and analysis. RGB value markers (numeric values) within each pixel of these photos could help determine if the "blacks" on the crafts match the "blacks" on the foreground plates. Or were all these photos taken with digital cameras and only exist in a RAW form? No matter which originals exist I am confident that someone; MUFON, Dr. Maccabee, ILM, whoever, could conduct an independent analysis. I am not being flippant here. I would like to the truth to come out as much as anyone else.
Again, I thank you all for your time and consideration. -- 3rdman
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« Reply #762 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 08:20am »

HI latitude; you have the athority on this one. I will wait and watch you on this one.cause I dont know how to begin other than disect infomation that comes on this craft. thank you for the find. cool
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« Reply #763 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 08:35am »

Just a follow-up: After 27 years in Hollywood and being something of a film dinosaur I cannot stress the word "Originals" (o.c.n) enough. Forgive me if I am stating the obvious. But, it serves no useful purpose to perform an analysis on 2nd, 3rd or even 6th generation prints, scans, or compressed downloads of any UFO or Drone photos. You loose too much information with each successive copy/generation. Non-compressed digital files are desirable when they can be had. Technically it is useful to do visual comparisons as some folks have done, but a pixel by pixel analysis of original material would aid in the explanation of some of these photos. I am interested in further information as to MUFON's interest (or lack of it?) in this Enigma.
On a personal note. In 1977 I witnessed something in the night skies in Upstate New York that I could not explain and it's memory has remained with me to this very day. I consider myself a true believer and do not actively seek to debunk anything. The Drone photos that I saw thrilled me at first, but they began to aggravate me as CG artists much more capable than myself started to find fault with them. Hence my desire to post. I am not sure if this makes a difference to some of you, but some how I feel you get it. Keep looking to skies
folks. I know I will. -- 3rdman
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« Reply #764 on: Sep 20th, 2007, 09:19am »

on Sep 19th, 2007, 10:16pm, castles4me wrote:
I know people at OMF have already within hours dismissed this as a splice case on a telephone pole.... while I respect the opinion of OTF and Lat, I am not so quick to rule this out just yet. I will look at the video again at work tomorrow... I have trouble viewing them at home. But, I just don't think it was something stationary.



In keeping an open mind... I have reviewed the video again to determine if in fact, the Moon drone is a splice case box. as mentioned by OTF at OMF and others....
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OTF posted a pic of one over at OMF. Here it is. It's the boxy thing with wires hanging out.
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OK so now we know what a splice case looks like, and the possible angle that the guy filmed the moon from.... so, I looked at the news video again and at the end, he points to where he was filming the moon.

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It doesn't look like the angle could get the splice box in the photo, unless he was looking to the right.. overhead facing the other direction.... as you can see, wires would be closer and the angle different. Again, I am trying to keep an open mind. I really would like to believe that this is a drone. The comparisons I did to the Chad drone are remarkable. BUT...it really could be a splice case too.

The only thing is.... it looks like the drone hovers and floats across the moon in the video....it doesn't look like a stationary item. And, I am trying to figure out why it would look like it was tilting -- unless the camera was pointed near the corner of intersecting wires and the perspective was viewed at an angle, or the wires sagged down.
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