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« Reply #810 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 03:58am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 03:42am, Smisser wrote:
This is not a Seaplane thats a ufo with propulsion system.

Doesn't seem unidentified to me.
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« Reply #811 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 05:46am »

Found this interesting. If this is public makes you wonder what is not? see the video

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/09/british-polices.html
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« Reply #812 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 06:16am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 03:19am, nekitamo wrote:
Would you all please take another look at the 'moon-drone' video?

Notice at what angle the moon appears while 'drone' floats in front of it. The camera is obviously held rotated by 90 degrees ccw to its normal operating position. At the end of the video you can see the same moon phase shot probably just a few days later at normal angle.

What this means is that the object in front of the moon does not float up, but to the left. Just as it would if you filmed something stationary in front of the moon in earth's northern hemisphere.

So, the question is: why is the camera rotated that way?

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No. The image shot was of an eclipse when the Moon is shaded by the Earth. The shading from top down was correct for that eclipse on August 28 2007 in Kentucky.

The Moon was actually a full Moon on that day and the top shading is from the Earth blocking the sun.

No rotation is necessary.
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« Reply #813 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 06:54am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 06:16am, onthefence55 wrote:
No. The image shot was of an eclipse when the Moon is shaded by the Earth. The shading from top down was correct for that eclipse on August 28 2007 in Kentucky.

The Moon was actually a full Moon on that day and the top shading is from the Earth blocking the sun.

No rotation is necessary.

Must admit, I somehow missed the eclipse being mentioned... if that's true, than you're right - no rotation is needed:

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This also means that the object was quite low, otherwise someone else of numerous moon eclipse watchers would have spotted it for sure.

However, I will be much happier with this explanation when some better images are provided, preferably with moon surface details that would discard the possibility of camera rotation.
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« Reply #814 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 06:59am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 03:42am, Smisser wrote:
This is not a Seaplane thats a ufo with propulsion system.
http://www.ekip-aviation-concern.com/


That is a man-made airplane (named Ekip which means ecology and progress) based on standard technology of pushing air with fans.

That website you listed is a sales brochure for this product designed in 1994. Many of the images are artists impressions of the aircraft, with a few images of the prototype.

The video was from a TLC special. It was clear that the scientists did not disclose the "propulsion system" method because they are protecting their patent on this new seaplane. The video was carefully cut out of context as you can see by the very end when the reporter gets cut off.

The .rar package of images including the video appears to be an irresponsible attempt to make this aircraft look like something besides a man-made flying ship.

While very interesting as a human feat of engineering, it has nothing to do with the unexplained or being a UFO, except that it slightly resembles a UFO.

You can read more at this UFOCasebook link submitted in April 2007 http://www.ufocasebook.com/ekip.html which was taken from this WIRED link : http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2003/12/61681# of December 2003.
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« Reply #815 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 07:38am »

You are absulutly right - I have now read this " a propeller-powered, Frisbee-looking fighter plane that could take off and land like a helicopter."

BUT - I think they have no right from USA to make a Ufo with propulsion or antigravity because all of this sh.t was free energy.Do you know ? We all must buy electricity ?? Why look at this. - And thank you for your awnser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE

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« Reply #816 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 07:50am »

Btw, where's ATO? Is she OK?

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« Reply #817 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 07:52am »

on Sep 20th, 2007, 9:15pm, jeromystaggs wrote:
Thank you. The professors that have reviewed the video, said they could tell me what it wasn't, but not what it was. They said it was huge. Still needs analyzed by more professionals.


Jeromy Staggs, welcome to the UFO Casebook Forum. Is it possible, that you could upload a copy of your original video clip to this:

http://www.rapidshare.com/

or to another free service of your choice, and then post the Download Link here in this thread?

This service has a 100mb limit per file. It should be sufficiant for appr. 2 minutes of high resolution video.

There are many serious investigators in here that would be emencely pleased to have an original video to work further on.

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #818 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 08:03am »

Jeromy, welcome! Thank you so much for coming forward and sharing your information. I assure you that no one here doubts your experience, they are just researching, looking for answers as you are. So please don't take anything personally. You've already earned our respect and appreciation for coming here.

On an interesting note - I sent the news story link to LMH when it first came out, simply asking her if she'd seen it. I haven't heard a word nor is it mentioned anywhere on her site. While this may or may not turn out to be a drone, it sure merits some serious investigation, the similarity is pretty obvious. So the mysterious silence continues.

As far as I know ATO is fine, and just taking some time off. While she is no longer a Global Moderator, she'll continue to contribute as a valued member. I know that we all wish her the very best and look forward to her return.
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« Reply #819 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 08:11am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 07:38am, Smisser wrote:
BUT - I think they have no right from USA to make a Ufo with propulsion or antigravity because all of this sh.t was free energy.Do you know ? We all must buy electricity ?? Why look at this. - And thank you for your awnser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6pOpcSmIzE


I did see that video and made a comment earlier:

When you watch and listen closely, it appears they are talking about a battery powered inverter. The batteries are contained inside the "coil" and they have to turn it on to produce 120V. It does not appear to be free energy except that they neglect to do proper tests, and the presenter is not familiar with basic electricity and simple power measurement techniques.

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Just some note about that video:


  • To measure true power, a Watt meter must be used, not a voltmeter then ammeter in separate parts of the circuit.
  • A clamp-on meter is only for measuring AC current while being clamped around a wire, they laid it beside wires. Some ammeters come with DC current measurements abilities which use magnetic field only, false readings can be had from permanent magnets nearby.
  • The Tripp-Lite inverter was stated as converting 12V to 120V, yet they claimed they were putting 170V out from the coil (apparently into the 12V line). I have some experience with inverters and 170V is the peak voltage on a 120V sine wave.
  • The voice cuts out near the end of the video just when the presenter is explaining what marks this thing work. Yet he explains it will replace anything where batteries where used.
  • The dropping voltage measured on the system near the end indicates to me that there is a battery somewhere in the system that is being drained
  • It should be noted that laptop batteries have a very high capacity for short times and are very compact, they could have been used to power the TV and drill for those short times.
  • A very new form of capacitors is being created that is also capable of replacing batteries. I doubt they used this but we should watch out for it being used to trick people.

My conclusion from watching that video is that the presenter is not fluent in basic electricity. Many times throughout the video he states that the unit produces a large amount of power measured in amps. Power is measured in watts and must be measured with a wattmeter so that the phase and direction of voltage and current can be taken into account.

It's pretty obvious that the presenter is not the inventor.

I suspect from his closing remarks that he is explaining an inverter powered by an internal battery. That coil could have been a rechargeable battery with an oscillator and coil to produce the larger voltage output. Connecting the coil to the other inverter was used to charge up the battery in the coil device. The large Trip-lite inverter could have had a 12V battery connected to it, there was a very large black box on the side of the Tripp-Lite inverter.

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« Reply #820 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 08:47am »

on Sep 21st, 2007, 08:03am, MarkM wrote:
As far as I know ATO is fine, and just taking some time off. While she is no longer a Global Moderator, she'll continue to contribute as a valued member. I know that we all wish her the very best and look forward to her return.

Thanks Mark, glad she's OK. Perhaps we didn't always share the same views, but I find her contribution valuable to this forum.

Now, on the subject of 'moon-drone' video, I've also used my camcorder for moon shots and I had to correct the exposure manually for any details of moon surface to become visible. It'll be a pity if the original video is similar to my uncorrected recordings, as we won't see much.
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« Reply #821 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 10:07am »

on Sep 20th, 2007, 8:12pm, Marvin wrote:


Hi Latitude,

How do we go about demonstrating that?


All I can say is Steven was a photography student using a higher quality Canon Rebel camera and shooting more horizontally. The photos he took came to us more directly. Ty had a cheap pocket camera and made 4x6 prints which were scanned, cropped, enlarged and "enhanced" by LMH. He also was aiming his camera more vertically toward the sky.
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« Reply #822 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 10:13am »

on Sep 20th, 2007, 8:19pm, jeromystaggs wrote:
Hey this is Jeromy Staggs. The electric pole was to the west of me. I was video taping to the southwest. As soon as I borrow my buddies GPS, I will give anybody the coordinates of where I was standing. I have about 1 minute and 10 seconds of video. And believe me it is no type of line or splice enclosure. And if you don't believe me your welcome to stop by and see for yourself.


Thanks for joining in, Jeremy. What is your take on the drone/Isaac case? Have you had a chance to check it out? You can get a quick run down of it from Dr Dill's excellent pdf here: http://www.ufo-blog.com/ufo-blog/2007/07/entire-2007-drone-ufo-sightings-reports.html
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« Reply #823 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 11:12am »

on Sep 20th, 2007, 8:19pm, jeromystaggs wrote:
Hey this is Jeromy Staggs. The electric pole was to the west of me. I was video taping to the southwest. As soon as I borrow my buddies GPS, I will give anybody the coordinates of where I was standing. I have about 1 minute and 10 seconds of video. And believe me it is no type of line or splice enclosure. And if you don't believe me your welcome to stop by and see for yourself.


Welcome Jeremy, and nice shot.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #824 on: Sep 21st, 2007, 2:20pm »

on Sep 20th, 2007, 9:23pm, jeromystaggs wrote:
Yes I seen it with my naked eye. The part hanging down goes to a point. The original is the best but have not viewed since I got it on dvd.


Hello Jeromy and welcome.

Were you able to see the object when it was not between you and the moon? Can you draw a picture of it and post a photo (or do with paintbrush and post it)?

I would like to see what you think the full outline looked like.

Best regards,

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