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« Reply #855 on: Sep 23rd, 2007, 10:57pm »

on Sep 23rd, 2007, 5:27pm, DrDil wrote:
As well as being almost exclusively the, “Hoax Of Choice” for all things Leviathan…… undecided

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Ahh... yes.. the "pee pee" drone...
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« Reply #856 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 04:25am »

on Sep 23rd, 2007, 3:47pm, castles4me wrote:
fulminic from OMF posted this comparison to a cessna --I think that it does look very possible, in the video it doesn't look as if it is a plane that is flying, it looks like it is drifting and or hovering moving slowly or not moving at all. So, it might not be a plane.

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Hello all - new guy on board. The sharpened image caught my eye. It would be nice to know the wind conditions at the time of the video. From the movements and the sharpened still image, it surely looks like some type of large bird gliding while eyeing the ground for prey.

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« Reply #857 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 07:13am »

For those who have said that the drones can not be CGI:

I have received permission from Wayne Robson to post his work, demonstrating that with little effort, it is possible...

http://dashdotslash.net/

The following are not real drones and have been posted on ATS.

http://dashdotslash.net/ATS/waynefake1.jpg

And

http://dashdotslash.net/ATS/waynefake2.jpg

Thank you Wayne for your permission to post these.
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« Reply #858 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:10am »

Thanks, Marvin and Wayne. With all due respect for Waynes work, which is excellent, had I been seeing these images for the first time (presented as actual photos), I would have called them as fakes. As good as they are there is still that CGI look and they lack the "feel" of a real object.
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« Reply #859 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:17am »

Hello All: I would like to thank Mr. Wayne Robson (and others) for taking the time to demonstrate to those who refuse to believe that the Drones can be created in CG. This thanks also applies to the folks who have worked the moon video over. Perhaps Mr. Robson would be a good choice to go over the original camera negative or the original (raw) uncompressed files of the Drones. 2D and 3D digital artists understand the procedures, white balance, color temperature, pixel values,
roto, digital inter-negatives, SHAKE, MAYA and on and on. And I am sure that no "cg-arrogance" will take place. Thanks for listening folks and keep looking to the skies. -- 3rdman
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« Reply #860 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:28am »

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« Reply #861 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:37am »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 08:10am, MarkM wrote:
Thanks, Marvin and Wayne. With all due respect for Waynes work, which is excellent, had I been seeing these images for the first time (presented as actual photos), I would have called them as fakes. As good as they are there is still that CGI look and they lack the "feel" of a real object.


While the first image seems a bit dark to me, I have to confess that the second image (bluer image) would have fooled me.

Mark, maybe you can post, compare and give us some pointer with the second image vs. the other drones to help us to more easily see the difference?

I know Wayne told me he did not want put a lot of effort into making these, so I can only imagine what a determined person would produce with time and effort. Honestly, I was surprised. Impressive work Wayne!
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« Reply #862 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:47am »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 08:10am, MarkM wrote:
Thanks, Marvin and Wayne. With all due respect for Waynes work, which is excellent, had I been seeing these images for the first time (presented as actual photos), I would have called them as fakes. As good as they are there is still that CGI look and they lack the "feel" of a real object.


But they only look fake when you compare them to the real drones.
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« Reply #863 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 08:58am »

Waynes work is the best that I've seen at attempting to duplicate the craft, wonderful stuff on his site.

Of course, you guys are right, we have a comparison and that makes all the difference. What continues to fascinate me is the design of the drones. It's so far "out there" in terms of what a CG hoaxer might envision a visiting probe to look like. Of all the structural choice they may have had, these types of configurations invite calls of fraud! The only thing that makes sense of them is the info in the CARET docs and the Isaac photos. This link is still THE puzzle in all of this.

It might still turn out to be a hoax, I'm prepared for that possibility. But darn, it's a complex one (if it is)!
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« Reply #864 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 10:06am »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 08:47am, Gort wrote:
But they only look fake when you compare them to the real drones.


I disagree. The fakes have no detail. The depth of field is wrong. The shadows are wrong. As Roh pointed out, corners were cut with the foliage.

This only strengthens the proof for real.
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« Reply #865 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 10:08am »

I have to agree with Mark. There is a difference and I don't think it's just as a comparison. I would lean towards fake without the comparison. But, if more time and effort would make it better, maybe we wouldn't be able to tell. Without that, there's no way to judge really. Thanks Wayne, it is very good and at first glance, would pass easily as real.

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« Reply #866 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 11:20am »

Who is this person who says the drones can not be CG, since this began I have seen no one who said this was not a POSSIBILITY. A possibility does not constitute a positivity.

What is the pee pee drone?
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« Reply #867 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 12:40pm »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 11:20am, interocitor wrote:
What is the pee pee drone?

It's one of Leviathan's creations, i.e. the person whom you were accused of being back when you first joined (Leviathan66.)

At first he was all for them being real, then he started saying they were hoaxes, but with incredibly sarcastic overtones.

Then he dropped the sarcasm merely stating that they were hoaxes, then he spat his dummy, threw all of his toys out of the pram and disappeared!!

He appeared briefly at, “Book Of Thoth” was immediately, “Outed” as a hoaxer then vanished again.

I know you don’t visit OMF but as soon as the moon image was posted, “Reader” said something about, “The group” which was a predilection of Lev’s, hence, “Hoax of choice for all things Leviathan.”

Just for the record I don’t think Lev has anything to do with the moon image, but rather to the Drone report that Castles was referencing because I believe this is where Lev drew his inspiration from.
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« Reply #868 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 1:38pm »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 10:06am, Latitude wrote:
I disagree. The fakes have no detail. The depth of field is wrong. The shadows are wrong. As Roh pointed out, corners were cut with the foliage.

This only strengthens the proof for real.


and how would you know real from fake
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« Reply #869 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 1:44pm »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 11:20am, interocitor wrote:
Who is this person who says the drones can not be CG, since this began I have seen no one who said this was not a POSSIBILITY. A possibility does not constitute a positivity.



Let me see if I can answer this from my view:

There has been a group of folks basically saying that the drones can not be CGI for a number of reasons. The main reason given has been detail.

I have searching for a CGI of a drone to look at, and two were brought to my attention last week that were made by Mr. Robson. I decided to ask for permission to share his work on the UFO Casebook, my hope being that the same folks that have been saying they can easily spot a CGI version would share their knowledge we the rest of us so that we would not be so easily fooled in the future. In fact, I have requested people saying that they can easily spot the CGI (and Mark, this is not pointed at you) to please post the CGI version and the “real” version, and point out the issues with the CGI that the real version does not have. Please keep in mind that Mr. Robson did not put a lot of effort or work into his CGI drones. It is not perfect. He was not trying to fool or hoax anyone, he is just demonstrated that it is possible for hoaxers to have make drones using CGI. I believe he has indeed proven his point by making fairly impressive drones with little effort. I wish he had the time and energy to have made excellent versions, but I also fear someone would then claim his is trying to hoax someone. This can be a no win situation for someone like Mr. Robson.

But please point out the obvious defects and missing detail.

Anyway, the similarities between the CGI and the other drones have been pointed out to me by a third party. Personally, I no longer can say the drone images can not be CGI. There are specific “fingerprints” and defects that CGI have and these are being shown to me on the real drone photos.

I am not an expert, but I am slowly learning.
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