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« Reply #930 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 5:11pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 4:25pm, 3rdman wrote:
Thank you Razor for your response. I think due to some of my earlier posts some folks may be a bit angry with me. But, my latest rant is based on a genuine interest in a comprehensive review of all images to date. It is also based on my lack of understanding as to how big this phenomenon has become on all sectors of the web; both positive and negative. I think the response to this situation can and should only lead to a clear, concise study of all the facts to date. My Father who passed away last December was a retired D.O.D official and a veteran of WW2 as a rear turret gunner on an Avenger, Korea as an ordinance specialist, and Vietnam. He almost never spoke of his early military years and he NEVER spoke of his work in Vietnam and thereafter. Growing up I hardly ever saw him. When I left for college I realized that I hardly knew him at all or even what he did. However, he told me (only once I might add) that "known, available technologies" were far beyond what the general public could begin to comprehend. That's all he ever said and I never forgot it. So I feel an open mind is helpful when dealing with these sort of situations. Thanks again. -- 3rdman


Hey I just thought of something funny 3rdman you could do like me kick back and go with the flow lol wink I dont think anyone is angry with ya maybe they might not always agree on some points but it seems to be pretty smooth bro.
DrDil and I where not on the same wavelength earlier on a discussion about Linda, but I respect his point of view and dont dislike him or what he said if anything I have more respect for him becuase he is willing to say what he believes. I think if we look at conflict with an open mind and an objective view it is a good thing I just happen to see things a litttle differently from him. So I think no worries Bro enjoy the forum and continue to always post if people dont like what you say then they can talk with others.
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« Reply #931 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:18pm »

on Sep 24th, 2007, 9:33pm, interocitor wrote:
The reality of real vs fake.


on Sep 24th, 2007, 10:25pm, DarkSky wrote:
The bottom one has neat fluffy clouds. The top has a diffuse overcast look to the sky.

IMO, the bottom clone has a problem. The fat tail section (point towards the front) seem somewhat torqued in the middle. The end where it attaches to the ring looks good, and the other end (closest to "us") looks good, but the part between seems muddy/unclear/unsharp and twisted.

The same section on the top pic seems more flat

Overall a nice reproduction, but not flawless.


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on Sep 25th, 2007, 12:20am, hjdelight wrote:
Of the two images, the bottom one with the "fluffy" clouds looks unreal to me. I know nothing of CG images but I know what looks real because I've looked at it all of my life. There is a difference.

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on Sep 25th, 2007, 01:01am, Latitude wrote:
When you enlarge these you can pick out a myriad of differences but the most glaring problem with the fake is that it has no shadows. I circled a few good examples. When you look at the photos you can see the shadows match up (sun angle) with the shadows in the trees.

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on Sep 25th, 2007, 04:07am, nekitamo wrote:
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Yet another CGI that does just the opposite of its intended purpose - it actually makes Chad's images look more credible. I admit they could still be CG, but if so the person that created them really tried hard to make them look convincing. This half-hearted attempt perhaps satisfies the general idea of a drone shaped object in the sky, but fails miserably if you pay any attention to details.

All it takes to declare some image fake is one missed detail - i.e. purple fringing on the foliage, but not on the drone.
That's it, case closed. Well, Chad's case is still open...


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As I read through these, it seems that we quickly lose sight of the question, is it possible for the drones to be CGI.

As DarkSky closes, there is the reminder that Wayne’s CGI were made with little effort. In other words, the detail and attention to make it perfect was not made.

There are comments about “what looks real” (I have no clue as to what looks real or fake from one person to another), missing shadows, and more references to lack of attention to details (or missing details) which make the Chad drone look more real.

The point that is over looked… is it possible for a CGI drone to look as real as the other drone photos?

We already know that Mr. Robson’s examples do not have the attention to details and that he did not want to invest the time to make the drone “perfect.” But does that mean that he can not do it?

I am of the impression from a number of CGI sources that with the time and effort, it is possible.

I think we are being somewhat less than honest to hold these CGI drones high as proof that drones can not be made using CGI… especially if only a few details and shadows need to be added (did anyone notice it was a cloudly sky?). These are not the weakness of CGI anyway, but of the effort of the artist.
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« Reply #932 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:40pm »

Forum members have come up with some great questions for Isaac. BUT, there is really only one question I'd ask:

"Isaac, tell us some more about what you know and we'd all like to see some more of your documents and photos."
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« Reply #933 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:43pm »

Hi Marvin, you make some very valid points.

I think, for me, what's missing - whether we're talking about the photos, the documents, or the various witnesses - is motive. Why such a technically complex and organizationally elaborate effort to perpetrate this hoax (if it is)? And on top of that - not one of what must be a large cast of characters has blown the charade. That's what really boggles the mind.

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« Reply #934 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 6:56pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 5:11pm, Razor wrote:
DrDil and I where not on the same wavelength earlier on a discussion about Linda.

Hi Razor,

I fear you may have misunderstood my earlier intentions as earlier you wrote:

“Yes that is most definitely true I have been a little busy and missed a lot of the good stuff so I will need you guys to guide me when I speak to Linda. I dont know what this conversation is about but from reading the words above Lindas picture I would have to say I agree with her and that original pictures should not be shown so that CG hacks cant get them.”

The first line of my reply was:

“Hi Razor, I think you’re a little misguided in your rationalizing of LMH’s refusal to publish the high-resolution images.”

Misguided - motivated by or based on ideas that are mistaken
Rationalizing - to attempt to justify behaviour normally considered irrational

I chose these words carefully so as not to appear confrontational and seeing as you had said you’d missed a lot due to being busy I thought I would try and explain to you what had transpired regarding LMH’s involvement with the Drone images. I considered the best way to do this, rather than write a new post and instead of quoting a post meaning that everyone would be forced to read it, I posted a couple of links, even stating:

“And while I can’t emphasize enough that they are SOLELY my opinions I feel that I elaborate and explain them enough so you can get a good sense of what has transpired so far………….if you read them you will see it doesn’t matter whether you agree with any of what is offered or not as it will help you understand why it’s such a bone of contention and at the very least provide you with the opportunity to see things from a different perspective.”

I still can’t see any other way I could have phrased any of this to further reinforce that this was an attempt to bring you up to speed, not to impose my opinion on you. I still avoided replying and a possible confrontation when you felt it necessary to reply with a direct rebuttal before even reading them in their entirety:

“Thanks for the links I am reading them now. But quite honestly Like VonStern has said I have complete 100% confidence in Linda……..Quite honestly I dont think anything is going on other than she is trying to protect Isaac and her story from those people that would try to destroy it.”

I thought you were just airing your opinion but when you later wrote,
“DrDil and I were not on the same wavelength earlier on a discussion about Linda.”
I feel I must interject. The discussion was in fact me trying to tell you what had happened in the past. Really, there was no wavelength as I didn’t participate in any discussion, I made one post to try and tell you what had happened thus far. I can’t stress enough that this is nothing personal, I feel I was misunderstood and subsequently misrepresented so consequently I’m clarifying my intentions and position.

But seeing as we’re on the subject and regarding the 11 photographs that LMH has in her possession, they are all already released and in fact the majority of the images you see of the Big Basin craft are of these 11. But she has only released 1 of these 11 in hi-res.

What do you suggest can be done with the other 10 hi-res images that can’t be done with one hi-res image and 11 of a lower resolution? Except perhaps further detailed analysis, and I hasten to add that no hoax (CGI or otherwise) has happened as a direct result of her earlier release so I feel her claims that this WILL happen have no basis in fact and are at best unfounded assumptions.

Finally allow me to echo the sentiments of your earlier post when you said, “I respect his point of view and dont dislike him or what he said,” as (for a change grin) I don’t think I could have said it any better. wink
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« Reply #935 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 7:21pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 6:18pm, Marvin wrote:
The point that is over looked… is it possible for a CGI drone to look as real as the other drone photos?


It is not overlooked if you read my post carefully. IMO it is possible, but not easy. And Wayne shouldn't have bothered if he didn't really mean it. This thread would be much shorter if it was him instead of Chad back in May...
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« Reply #936 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 7:27pm »

Hi Dr.Dil

"I thought you were just airing your opinion but when you later wrote,"
Yes you where right the first time I was only airing my opinion. Anything I say about Linda decision is just speculation as to what i think I am seeing.The Wavelength thing was a reference to an earlier post where we where discussing the reason for holding back the photos in which I thought you meant she should release them and I thought she should not. I am still a little in the dark on this subject but I am getting a better understanding the more we talk.Those links you gave me helped some Thanks. No worries wink

I came back to edit, another thing I wanted to share with you is I often throw out off the wall theories such as my bigfoot theory that you can see, just to get conversations started, as a matter of a fact I started that off the wall conversation about bigfoot because I knew Ashiana liked that subject and was trying to get some people to discuss it with her.
The actual way to best discuss something with me is to just tell me straight up whats on your mind and I will always answer with what I think about it, if it is a direct conversation. Otherwise I would think you could consider anything I say as speculation. wink
D if she is able to keep those 10 high res safe where no CGI hacks can get to them then she can use them to disprove the claims that the low res are CGI fakes, do you see what I mean?

"I chose these words carefully so as not to appear confrontational and seeing as you had said you’d missed a lot due to being busy I thought I would try and explain to you what had transpired regarding LMH’s involvement with the Drone images. I considered the best way to do this, rather than write a new post and instead of quoting a post meaning that everyone would be forced to read it, I posted a couple of links, even stating:"
Absolutely D I didnt take it wrong sorry if I sounded that way.wink
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« Reply #937 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 7:53pm »

You know we really should appreciate what LMH has done so far and not resort to criticism because we are frustrated. It does no good as far as advancing our cause to tick someone off who could be helpful. We simply do not know the reasons for her actions. If you want to be critical in private, fine but this is a public forum and everything that has been said against her might as well been said to her face. I suggest a little reserve with a dash of tact over some diplomacy. It's been known to work wonders.

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« Reply #938 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 8:03pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 7:21pm, nekitamo wrote:
It is not overlooked if you read my post carefully. IMO it is possible, but not easy. And Wayne shouldn't have bothered if he didn't really mean it. This thread would be much shorter if it was him instead of Chad back in May...


Hi nekitamo,

Sorry for being so generic. I was trying to address a number of "related" posts. I realize we were not disagreeing about the possibility of the drones being CGI.

I have not read the ATS threads, so I do not know why Mr. Robson created these CGI version or why he did not have the time to invest into making them perfect (I will let him speak for himself).

I think the whole point is that we can not rule out CGI, just based on shadows or a few details. To be sure we are dealing with the real deal, we need witnesses and original photos. Really, we have neither. That strikes me as being odd.

As a side note: to believe that this is too complex or involves too many people, one has to make and believe certain assumptions… to trust and have faith that we are being dealt with in a honest and fair manner with real and original data. I have been constantly reminded that history is harsh to the naive. That is not saying drones cannot be real, it is saying that we must at least have a satisfactory level of confidence about the evidence we accept as being authentic.
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« Reply #939 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 8:23pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 7:53pm, hjdelight wrote:
You know we really should appreciate what LMH has done so far and not resort to criticism because we are frustrated. It does no good as far as advancing our cause to tick someone off who could be helpful. We simply do not know the reasons for her actions. If you want to be critical in private, fine but this is a public forum and everything that has been said against her might as well been said to her face. I suggest a little reserve with a dash of tact over some diplomacy. It's been known to work wonders.

HJ


I highly agree Hjdelight I think we should all be here to reinforce each other even if we differ in our opinions and critisim of people should not occur. As I have said in an earlier post flaming people just takes all the fun out of it. I honestly think the earlier discussions of what should or should not have been done where very uncalled for. The arguments of the CGI guys where enough to prove that to me.
And now after almost ruining the subject that my friend worked so hard to start and support they are poof gone bye bye. Actually thats the typical modeus op for a disinformation agent to create desencion with in the group till they lose interest in a subject and then disappear.
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« Reply #940 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 8:32pm »

I'm still playing catch up here, but I would like to jump in and say what a pleasure it is to read so many different viewpoints expressed not just eloquently, but respectfully. The friendships that have grown here over these past few months are obvious. If nothing else ever comes from this mystery, that alone is priceless smiley.
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« Reply #941 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 8:37pm »

Absolutely MarkM I wouldnt trade this group for any other. I belong to several forums in order to gather research information and of all the forums on the web You guys are the best.
I think we should go Tabula Rasa on this tread now and start to concetrate on what its for to discover the truths of Isaac statements.
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« Reply #942 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 11:22pm »

on Sep 25th, 2007, 1:25pm, 3rdman wrote:
Hello again: Upon further review please forgive this run-on...Issac in danger? The Chad factor, PACL, Raj, Tahoe, Big Basin, Mufon's dismissal in May, Colin Bennett, meme, Drone Cult, ATS, Bruce Maccabee, Linda Howe, Kaptive 3D Animations, hard to find originals, that Scrutinizer guy on YouTube, movie tie-ins, game tie-ins, pipe pigs, splice boxes, coffee mugs, tee-shirts, Drones-are-us, cg arrogance, Photoshop, Shake, Maya, fluffy clouds, incorrect shadows, ILM, WETA, 2D, 3D, flip the image and read the english, and on and on and on! Who's legit, what's real, what's not? Who's independent of all of the above? A town meeting perhaps? MIT? AARRGGHH!!!! Dazed, confused and aggravated. I give up and if you're not mad you're not paying attention.
Sorry for the rant folks, and I truly respect your commitment to all of this; just need more analysis. 3rdman


First of all... I am dronesrus lol

Second of all.... if all of this dronology bothers you... then why in the world are you here?

Third of all.... this study on the drone story be it real or not, is interesting and fun, and all do respect... if you don't like it, leave.

No offense, but what does it matter to you if we believe or not. Click the "close X" and be done with it. It's that simple.
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« Reply #943 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 11:30pm »

question for photo experts...

When I look at the photo of the two black artifacts side by side that are curved with markings on them, I notice something which my eye perceives as out of place. The markings on the central flat part of the curvature appears to be reflected on one side of the rim which adjoins it and is perpendicular to it, but the angle of perspective from the camera does not appear to justify this reflection. Not trying to bash or be overly critical, it's just that I was spending some time just reviewing the shape of the symbols, and this kept coming up and bothering me.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #944 on: Sep 25th, 2007, 11:31pm »

I am so happy to see a return to civil discourse on here. It has been quite awhile since I posted--I had found discussions of about a month or so ago to be quite draining and counter-productive. I hope you are all well.
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