Board Logo
« #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Dec 14th, 2017, 12:58pm


Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

*Totally FREE 24/7 Access *Your Nickname and Avatar *Private Messages

*Join today and be a part of one of the largest UFO sites on the Net.


« Previous Topic | Next Topic »
Pages: 1 ... 66 67 68 69 70  ...  102 Notify Send Topic Print
 sticky  Author  Topic: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth  (Read 2146 times)
endzone
Full Member
ImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

LMH your day will come!


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 69
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1005 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:24pm »

Here's a little something for us to discuss that I have been working on the past couple of days researching for good measure. Many have said we are using "Blind Faith" to feed our feelings of the drone phenomena being real. Well here are a few words on what "Blind Faith" means to many people:

"Blind" is the rude word that people who do not have it stick onto "Faith". By definition, all Faith is blind, since it means belief in that for which you have no physical evidence but only the words of others through their testimony. Sticking Blind before it is just rubbing that fact in. It is used by those who regard Faith as a Bad Thing to score off those who regard it as a Good Thing.

Blind faith is where you follow, without question, any and all dictates of your chosen solution, even if they seem paradoxical. In the case of the drones some are using the terms just to be derogatory, and commonly coin the term only for specific occasions, (such as arguing a point with a non-religious person who is laughing at your blind faith in faith).

Faith is NOT believing what you want to. Faith is NOT “your opinion” of things... Real faith knows exactly what it wants. It is not “blind.”

So if faith is not your opinions, blind faith or wishful thinking…faith is being SURE of things hoped for and CERTAIN of things not seen.

Without faith, many teachings tell us, nothing positive can develop, just as a green shoot can never grow from a dried-up seed. Faith is full confidence in the law of karma, cause and effect.

Faith is not about turning off the brain and merely relying on the heart, or squashing reason in favor of emotion. No, faith is about seeking and knowing with all facets of the human character. It's not a "blind faith" as once thought... It's a "calculated faith" based on a preponderance of the evidence at hand.

Edited for spelling only!
« Last Edit: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:30pm by endzone » User IP Logged

A lifetime is but a glimpse, a singular point in time. What lies beyond......that is the true journey.
Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1006 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:25pm »

The Drones and the Isaac Account are important even in the way they are debated. Why should such a hoax create so much. You see it is not a hoax, but a provocation that continues to work and do its job of provocation. Why it can even change any serious attention into silliness and provide fun to a bully.
IC
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1007 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:30pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 5:25pm, Truether wrote:
The Drones and the Isaac Account are important even in the way they are debated. Why should such a hoax create so much. You see it is not a hoax, but a provocation that continues to work and do its job of provocation. Why it can even change any serious attention into silliness and provide fun to a bully.
IC

Let’s not go down this path, some of your (collectives) posts could easily be misinterpreted as such, they’ve both agreed to be civil so there’s no need to further inflame with implications of another’s intent.
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1008 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:33pm »

I agree endzone and the instinctual feelings also tells much. The idea that the Drones must be a physical machine that is comprehended by a human is ludicrous. If this is alien, we would have no clue to their abilities. I wonder if Dan the Messiah will show up next. I would have thought he was in the best of all possible places. The Drones seem to be continuing their presence without the slightest interest in what posters post.
IC
User IP Logged

Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1009 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:43pm »

We recently saw information posted elsewhere indicating that when the Drones were fake in a Photo an anomaly would show up around the crown of wires. We looked this over using our own fake drones and found this was untrue. The anomaly is a product of digital images and not fake drones. The only way we found that this anomaly would show up as in the illustrations posted, was if the images were deliberately manipulated to make this happen. In other words someone wants the average viewer to believe and dismiss images based on a falsehood.

We show this at our blog site, because we know better than to place it at some places.
IC
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1010 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 5:51pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 5:24pm, endzone wrote:
Here's a little something for us to discuss that I have been working on the past couple of days researching for good measure. Many have said we are using "Blind Faith" to feed our feelings of the drone phenomena being real. Well here are a few words on what "Blind Faith" means to many people:

"Blind" is the rude word that people who do not have it stick onto "Faith". By definition, all Faith is blind, since it means belief in that for which you have no physical evidence but only the words of others through their testimony. Sticking Blind before it is just rubbing that fact in. It is used by those who regard Faith as a Bad Thing to score off those who regard it as a Good Thing.

Blind faith is where you follow, without question, any and all dictates of your chosen solution, even if they seem paradoxical. In the case of the drones some are using the terms just to be derogatory, and commonly coin the term only for specific occasions, (such as arguing a point with a non-religious person who is laughing at your blind faith in faith).

Faith is NOT believing what you want to. Faith is NOT “your opinion” of things... Real faith knows exactly what it wants. It is not “blind.”

So if faith is not your opinions, blind faith or wishful thinking…faith is being SURE of things hoped for and CERTAIN of things not seen.

Without faith, many teachings tell us, nothing positive can develop, just as a green shoot can never grow from a dried-up seed. Faith is full confidence in the law of karma, cause and effect.

Faith is not about turning off the brain and merely relying on the heart, or squashing reason in favor of emotion. No, faith is about seeking and knowing with all facets of the human character. It's not a "blind faith" as once thought... It's a "calculated faith" based on a preponderance of the evidence at hand.

Edited for spelling only!

It really depends on your definition of faith:

“Faith: Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.”

So taken in this context, “Blind faith” is a contradiction in terms as confident belief in the truth is anything but blind.

“Faith is NOT believing what you want to."
Perhaps not always but the more fervent the belief then surely the stronger the desire/want?

"Faith is NOT “your opinion” of things... "
When you believe in your faith then wouldn’t you inherit this opinion? If your faith doesn’t correlate with your opinion then you have no real, “Belief.” For example your faith says, “God is good/supreme being/father of creation” etc. Then if this is not your opinion then your faith has no grounding in belief and so can’t really be termed a, “Faith” as you don’t believe it.

Real faith knows exactly what it wants. It is not “blind.”
Real faith is simply a, “Belief” and lets face it, nobody, “Believes” they are wrong so when applied to your opening:

“Many have said we are using "Blind Faith" to feed our feelings of the drone phenomena being real.”

Are you saying you DON’T want to believe?

Are you saying that this ISN’T your opinion?

If you have no proof, regardless of how much you believe it is still just a belief a.k.a. faith. Once you obtain proof it can also be termed a, “Reality” it doesn’t negate your faith or belief, it just reaffirms it. But until you obtain proof how can you determine if it was blind or not?
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1011 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:02pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 5:43pm, Truether wrote:
We recently saw information posted elsewhere indicating that when the Drones were fake in a Photo an anomaly would show up around the crown of wires. We looked this over using our own fake drones and found this was untrue. The anomaly is a product of digital images and not fake drones. The only way we found that this anomaly would show up as in the illustrations posted, was if the images were deliberately manipulated to make this happen. In other words someone wants the average viewer to believe and dismiss images based on a falsehood.

We show this at our blog site, because we know better than to place it at some places.
IC

But if what you say is correct then wouldn’t this lean more towards a disinfo operation of some description, leaving the, “Tell” to be found a few months down the line.
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1012 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:13pm »

When you are shown this perfect CG representations of automobiles know this. The clay model, either full size or mocket, is scanned into the CG program and a paint sample is also scanned in. A CG artist cleans up the scans and there you have the CG model. The point is there is a MODEL FIRST. So then if this method was used, there must have been a model Drone, a full physical model with most detail first. I do not care if you think or want to think the Drones and all future unusual craft are CG, but get your facts straight. The more CG the more expense. So either alien or human, the Drones are still a mystery that had a real purpose and a serious purpose. The continuing debate, other than for EGO purposes, is superfluous and really does not solve the issue one way or the other.
IC
User IP Logged

endzone
Full Member
ImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

LMH your day will come!


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 69
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1013 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:14pm »

Touche.............. touche, my friend wink

For some of us we already have enough "proof" to make our faith surely not blind. More than anything I guess the truth of the matter is it takes differing amounts of proof and differing kinds of proof for some to believe something is real. I guess my "faith" in general is in believing the folks who have stepped forward and brought their lives under scrutiny by reporting what they saw. But that applies to all UFO cases as well as the drones. For me that is enough, on top of all the serious investigating into the depth of the primer and it's effects on proffesional artists who have seen it, they all say how amazing the design is and how extremely complicated in it's design it is. This and the feeling in my gut that says this is real. That gut feeling that we all have and some use has always served me well and never let me down. I guess what I'm saying is I DO believe, and I always wanted to, even when I was on the fence at first. I want every sighting to be real, but some can't cut the mustard, this is so large and so far beyond any other sighting ever reported that i tends to make many feel the same as I do.
User IP Logged

A lifetime is but a glimpse, a singular point in time. What lies beyond......that is the true journey.
Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1014 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:23pm »

Quote:
But if what you say is correct then wouldn’t this lean more towards a disinfo operation of some description, leaving the, “Tell” to be found a few months down the line.


I meant the Illustrations of the anomaly and not the original Drones. I have no doubt that disinformation at some level is involved with this whole episode and this would be the case with the Alabama Drone and its inner ring anomaly if it is CG. My point is what else has caused this stir, the Texas sightings or other recent events seem to fade. There is a real quality about this Drone issue that provokes heated debate and firm believers on both sides. What is this quality and if planned, then by whom. To me this is the mystery. The alien, human, CG debate is secondary to the why. What propels this thing along each time you think it is dead?
IC
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1015 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:25pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 6:13pm, Truether wrote:
When you are shown this perfect CG representations of automobiles know this. The clay model, either full size or mocket, is scanned into the CG program and a paint sample is also scanned in. A CG artist cleans up the scans and there you have the CG model. The point is there is a MODEL FIRST. So then if this method was used, there must have been a model Drone, a full physical model with most detail first. I do not care if you think or want to think the Drones and all future unusual craft are CG, but get your facts straight. The more CG the more expense. So either alien or human, the Drones are still a mystery that had a real purpose and a serious purpose. The continuing debate, other than for EGO purposes, is superfluous and really does not solve the issue one way or the other.
IC

That last post was remarkably like one of your group posted earlier on in the Drone history, can you remember, Lev regarding the CG black BMW? wink

I agree with you about the model aspect, it does seem the most plausible, but only a full, physical model, not a full-size one, why is this so implausible?

I’m not saying I think you’re wrong, just trying to coax a little elaboration and perhaps glean a little insight from your cryptic comments.
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Truether
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1016 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:26pm »

Quote:
I guess what I'm saying is I DO believe, and I always wanted to, even when I was on the fence at first. I want every sighting to be real, but some can't cut the mustard, this is so large and so far beyond any other sighting ever reported that i tends to make many feel the same as I do.


Absolutely.
IC
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1017 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:28pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 6:23pm, Truether wrote:
I meant the Illustrations of the anomaly and not the original Drones. I have no doubt that disinformation at some level is involved with this whole episode and this would be the case with the Alabama Drone and its inner ring anomaly if it is CG. My point is what else has caused this stir, the Texas sightings or other recent events seem to fade. There is a real quality about this Drone issue that provokes heated debate and firm believers on both sides. What is this quality and if planned, then by whom. To me this is the mystery. The alien, human, CG debate is secondary to the why. What propels this thing along each time you think it is dead?
IC

I agree with your musings completely, it’s the who’s, where’s and why’s that keep me interested, (whichever side of the fence the answer lies.)
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
TheShadow
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 299
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1018 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:30pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 6:14pm, endzone wrote:
Touche.............. touche, my friend wink

For some of us we already have enough "proof" to make our faith surely not blind. More than anything I guess the truth of the matter is it takes differing amounts of proof and differing kinds of proof for some to believe something is real. I guess my "faith" in general is in believing the folks who have stepped forward and brought their lives under scrutiny by reporting what they saw. But that applies to all UFO cases as well as the drones. For me that is enough, on top of all the serious investigating into the depth of the primer and it's effects on proffesional artists who have seen it, they all say how amazing the design is and how extremely complicated in it's design it is. This and the feeling in my gut that says this is real. That gut feeling that we all have and some use has always served me well and never let me down. I guess what I'm saying is I DO believe, and I always wanted to, even when I was on the fence at first. I want every sighting to be real, but some can't cut the mustard, this is so large and so far beyond any other sighting ever reported that i tends to make many feel the same as I do.


Endzone, Have you read Jeds recent post at OM about skeptism?
I want to believe too!! Believe it or not I truly and sincerely hope the DRT detectives actually see and photograph a drone while visiting Chads area or at the very least are able to verify the reality of the drones. I know you dont believe that but it is the truth!! I see it as extremely unlikely but i would love for that to happen! There is just so much of this story that doesnt add up. As i have said alarm bells sounded for me the minute i read Chads letter... if that letter was from a real expectant father with concerns for his childs life he would have at the very least called the local PD to ask WTF?
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #1019 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 6:50pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 6:14pm, endzone wrote:
Touche.............. touche, my friend wink

For some of us we already have enough "proof" to make our faith surely not blind. More than anything I guess the truth of the matter is it takes differing amounts of proof and differing kinds of proof for some to believe something is real. I guess my "faith" in general is in believing the folks who have stepped forward and brought their lives under scrutiny by reporting what they saw. But that applies to all UFO cases as well as the drones. For me that is enough, on top of all the serious investigating into the depth of the primer and it's effects on proffesional artists who have seen it, they all say how amazing the design is and how extremely complicated in it's design it is. This and the feeling in my gut that says this is real. That gut feeling that we all have and some use has always served me well and never let me down. I guess what I'm saying is I DO believe, and I always wanted to, even when I was on the fence at first. I want every sighting to be real, but some can't cut the mustard, this is so large and so far beyond any other sighting ever reported that i tends to make many feel the same as I do.

My views on the witnesses are different from witness to witness but that’s irrelevant, but I must mention I believe quite firmly that the entire Chad story is fabrication – not necessarily the images but the dialogue, I feel it can’t be any other.

Anyway I agree with you, that same, “Gut” feeling that tells you it’s real is the same one that’s telling me it’s wrong. smiley

Who knows, perhaps belief is biologically predetermined or neurologically programmed. Perhaps inherited, or learnt, adapted etc. I’m sure there are facts to be found from a study such as the Drones have provided, all in real time, all for free (except the original fabricating of images, docs etc. grin)

And then just monitor the results…..

Is this a study of the UFO Community?
Or to see how the newborn information generation accepts such a disclosure?
Maybe it’s to gauge media reaction?
Public reaction to media?
See how the propagation of, “Classified material?” unfolds?

If a hoax it could be any of many, many complicated reasons or it may simply be a handful (or less) of bored talented and mischievous individuals.

This was my point about belief, the belief that it’s a hoax is also a belief that is blind until proven otherwise, depending of course from on which side of the fence you are when asked about it….. wink
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Pages: 1 ... 66 67 68 69 70  ...  102 Notify Send Topic Print
« Previous Topic | Next Topic »

Become a member of the UFO Casebook Forum today and join our more than 19,000 members.

Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

Donate $6.99 for 50,000 Ad-Free Pageviews!

| |

This forum powered for FREE by Conforums ©
Sign up for your own Free Message Board today!
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Conforums Support | Parental Controls