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« Reply #1020 on: Apr 10th, 2008, 7:24pm »

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I agree with you about the model aspect, it does seem the most plausible, but only a full, physical model, not a full-size one, why is this so implausible?

Iím not saying I think youíre wrong, just trying to coax a little elaboration and perhaps glean a little insight from your cryptic comments.


A model of the Drone scanned in is certainly possible, but does add more complexity to the operation. I have never said this could not be CG, because it could. I have said that if CG it is of a remarkable sophistication. I should now say for the time, because the programs have become even better in one year. Soon if one looks at the Drones and what present CG can do one will say of course it is CG. That was not the case a year ago. New scanners and texture scanners are now available and though expensive they are still available.

What I have seen is that the original design had very little precedence and the Isaac info even less. True or not true, someone had to spend a fair amount of time and have access to more than home equipment to do this, if you rule out an alien presence. Now the Haiti Hoax was very good, but crashed and burned, so why not this one. Why does this thing keep reinventing itself and coming back. Several new photos on this site have a Drone appearance or seem to be evolutions of the Drone. More CG? If not why is this phenomena morphing again? From George Adamski to the Drones is a long evolution in design, but it seems to follow a logical and believable pattern. Why? This phenomena may not need to be physical, it may just need a human to play with. Now it has the Internet as a vehicle for its evolution, even if it uses the human imagination to achieve its goals.
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« Reply #1021 on: Apr 11th, 2008, 11:39am »

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The media attention has brought back CG talk to another Forum and a self proclaimed expert. IMO the return is soley due to the media attention and is in no way for the resolution of the Drone events. This is a dangerous time because the media will listen to this person and make this person the Drone Star. All posters truly interested in the Drone event for its value of increasing our knowledge, no matter its source, should be aware of this and not be swayed by self importance that in no way can resolve this issue. Who would really believe if someone shows up saying that they are the hoaxers of The Drones and Isaac. By now I could claim that and bring up all sorts of CG proof. It is to late for a definite answer to the Drones because the answer, right or wrong, would always be questioned. The absolute proof of a hoax IMO would be more suggestive of a PTB cover-up out of fear that someone will finally begin to be aware of what is really happening. So beware the subtle trickster is back with a new bag of tricks to further a personal agenda.
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« Reply #1022 on: Apr 11th, 2008, 2:55pm »

Anyone showing up and claiming to be the hoaxer would have to answer a mountain of technical questions, show proof of ability and probably, to convince the faithful at least, reproduce each and every bit of evidence that was hoaxed. I have little confidence that will happen. As far as the PTB, one can imagine any scenario one wants but we'll never know the true answer to that one because if they hoaxed this to cover up, that in itself shows what they are capable of and willing to do to hide something from us. We will never know.

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« Reply #1023 on: Apr 11th, 2008, 10:03pm »

on Apr 10th, 2008, 7:24pm, Truether wrote:
A model of the Drone scanned in is certainly possible, but does add more complexity to the operation. I have never said this could not be CG, because it could. I have said that if CG it is of a remarkable sophistication. I should now say for the time, because the programs have become even better in one year. Soon if one looks at the Drones and what present CG can do one will say of course it is CG. That was not the case a year ago. New scanners and texture scanners are now available and though expensive they are still available.

What I have seen is that the original design had very little precedence and the Isaac info even less. True or not true, someone had to spend a fair amount of time and have access to more than home equipment to do this, if you rule out an alien presence. Now the Haiti Hoax was very good, but crashed and burned, so why not this one. Why does this thing keep reinventing itself and coming back. Several new photos on this site have a Drone appearance or seem to be evolutions of the Drone. More CG? If not why is this phenomena morphing again? From George Adamski to the Drones is a long evolution in design, but it seems to follow a logical and believable pattern. Why? This phenomena may not need to be physical, it may just need a human to play with. Now it has the Internet as a vehicle for its evolution, even if it uses the human imagination to achieve its goals.
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Being a hobbist in CG and image creation I have been in the field since the early 90s..While models could have been used so also could the traditional sketch and imagination....Even just looking at some of the games for computers and gaming consoles these are not complicated as one might think....
As far as textures one could easily scan in textures from a commercial scanner or use a program that generates textures which some are very acurate in reproducing...Genetica comes to mind....

Also it seems to me that this is still being talked about since there is no real answer either way. Real or hoax..
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« Reply #1024 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 12:03am »

Guys, you're missing one very important point. Of course the pictures could be re-created using modern CG programs. A talented artist could probably paint something similar. However, how about creating something of this magnitude from scratch? You can look at almost any great invention and say "I could've thought of that". Yet nobody did until it was actually invented.
And this is far more complicated issue. Multiple witness reports, no detailed analysis from so-called experts (who dismissed it at hand) and the story just "clicks".

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« Reply #1025 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 4:35pm »

That aspect has come up many times and is generally agreed upon that it would be difficult. I don't think impossible though. I think the game designers/artists would argue that if they can come up with heretofore never before seen objects and creatures, why can't someone imagine and "build" a very far out and unknown creation like a drone. The argument that because no one has seen one before then it can't be made in CG has been proven weak by the examples that contradict it.

All that said, they did one helluva job if it's CG and are probably the best in their field with the best equipment/software. Not to mention the intricacies
of the hoax. There's no getting around it when you analyze the whole subject, it's either the very best hoax ever.....or a very real phenomena.

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« Reply #1026 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 4:37pm »

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You can look at almost any great invention and say "I could've thought of that". Yet nobody did until it was actually invented.
And this is far more complicated issue. Multiple witness reports, no detailed analysis from so-called experts (who dismissed it at hand) and the story just "clicks".


Your analysis is rare and brilliant because you grasp the salient points. Those who can not get off the CG wagon do not want to get off the CG wagon. The Drones are very original not to mention the awesome Isaac diagrams. Many neglect the amount of thought, human or otherwise, that had to go into them. Thank you for having a real open mind.
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« Reply #1027 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 6:28pm »

2 things for sure in this whole thing.

1. If Real, the drones are the tipping point for disclosure and the beginning of a new age for us all.

2. If Fake, the drones and Issac images and documents are part of the largest, best laid out hoax in the history of hoaxing.

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Either way what a ride this has been!!
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« Reply #1028 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 7:32pm »

endzone, you are 100% correct and this the others can not see. To them this all came about because some teen in his bedroom decided to play around. This shows their complete lake of CG knowledge and it also shows what their CG 'expert" is really up to.
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« Reply #1029 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 10:35pm »

on Apr 12th, 2008, 7:32pm, Truether wrote:
endzone, you are 100% correct and this the others can not see. To them this all came about because some teen in his bedroom decided to play around. This shows their complete lake of CG knowledge and it also shows what their CG 'expert" is really up to.
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Okay my friendly neighborhood soothsayerwink....explain the inexplicable actions of LMH.

One might conclude, she prefers the drones remain a myth.

Apparently, LMH's unreleased hi res photo's have never even been analyzed by any photo expert.

Would you venture an explanation for the high strangeness of LMH actions, or rather inaction?
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« Reply #1030 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 11:35pm »

As I understand it, the pictures were sent to LMH therefore they are hers. They were not lent to LMH. The continuing innuendos about her at OMF are nauseating and should infuriate her. She is not required to share anything with OMF. CG is of course possible and for every present and future image of anything. Now I am well aware of the one worshiped at OMF and that is their business and I will not give this one any more publicity. I have no idea if they have been examined and I personally do not believe there is such a thing as conclusive proof, at the moment, that something is CG or not. The software is that good and getting better. Who is it that argues that they can not be CG. Whatever they are they are quality and that is what concerns me. The Drones purpose evaporates in the CG mist, why? Who wants so desperately to lay them to rest as silly CG with the only purpose being a hoax. Posters say why won't the witnesses come forward and now we here FBI, and PI and what next Homeland Security. What person would want all this from seeing an object that has always garnered skepticism. LMH says that she has promised some of the witnesses anonymity as a prerequisite for them confiding in her. More power to her. If I was bullied by OMFERS as she has been I would publicly burn the photos and send the ashes to OMF Admin and Mods.
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« Reply #1031 on: Apr 12th, 2008, 11:48pm »

Then why should she pretend to care about the truth?

Why should any of us?

You want the myth...thats fine, you're honest.

WYSIWYG.

Investigative reporters who bank on high strangeness, have no interest in seeing the fog dissipate...not exactly honest.

It borders on complicit
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« Reply #1032 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 08:00am »

The points covered in the last few posts are the crux of why Iím still fascinated by the entire Drone phenomenon, my belief is inconsequential and whether ANY proof either way will ever be forthcoming is also debatable, I donít hold my belief dear and would happily be proved wrong, in fact thatís the best possible outcome as far as Iím concerned, I just donít expect it.

I may require more proof than others.

My interpretation of the evidence to date is simply not enough for me to believe.

What others perceive as validating reasons for the reality I perceive as suspicious.

Iíve said before it probably says more about me than the available evidence, but itís not just me and the majority seem to agree, I realise this doesnít make it right but Iím not just talking about newbieís or the public in general, I mean forum members of boards such as this one.

People who believe in the existence of UFOs

People who were interested and knowledgeable in the UFO phenomenon before the Drone story.

People who are aware of elaborate UFO hoaxes.

People who I believe are best equipped to arrive at an informed decision.

These are people who mostly agree that they donít think the Drones are ET craft.

Again, I realise this doesnít make it right as many other similar members believe they are what they purport to be. I think itís a little unfair to say, ďTo them this all came about because some teen in his bedroom decided to play around.Ē

Just today at OMF with regards to Isaac I wrote:

ďIn my opinion his letter is a superbly executed dialogue, leaving little to no room for misinterpretation and it also seems as if every slight deviation on content was flawless in its logic, and was always justified in contributing to the full picture as we were meant to see it. Every literary nuance and all of the overtones suggest that this was a premeditated document and certainly wasnít the first draft, this doesnít mean itís fake or hoaxed, merely that itís an impeccable presentation of the facts.Ē

on Apr 12th, 2008, 7:32pm, Truether wrote:
endzone, you are 100% correct and this the others can not see. To them this all came about because some teen in his bedroom decided to play around. This shows their complete lake of CG knowledge and it also shows what their CG 'expert" is really up to.
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Believe me I donít think itís merely some gifted adolescent with a penchant for mischief, but that reasoning alone doesnít justify the Drones as a reality, it just deepens the mystery.

on Apr 12th, 2008, 11:35pm, Truether wrote:
As I understand it, the pictures were sent to LMH therefore they are hers. They were not lent to LMH. The continuing innuendos about her at OMF are nauseating and should infuriate her. She is not required to share anything with OMF. CG is of course possible and for every present and future image of anything. Now I am well aware of the one worshiped at OMF and that is their business and I will not give this one any more publicity. I have no idea if they have been examined and I personally do not believe there is such a thing as conclusive proof, at the moment, that something is CG or not. The software is that good and getting better. Who is it that argues that they can not be CG. Whatever they are they are quality and that is what concerns me. The Drones purpose evaporates in the CG mist, why? Who wants so desperately to lay them to rest as silly CG with the only purpose being a hoax. Posters say why won't the witnesses come forward and now we here FBI, and PI and what next Homeland Security. What person would want all this from seeing an object that has always garnered skepticism. LMH says that she has promised some of the witnesses anonymity as a prerequisite for them confiding in her. More power to her. If I was bullied by OMFERS as she has been I would publicly burn the photos and send the ashes to OMF Admin and Mods.
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I donít doubt that you would destroy evidence as way of punishment for others daring to expect youíd do your job, in fact from you Iíd expect it and I admire your honesty in admitting it.

But youíre not LMH, LMH is supposed to be an investigative journalist at the forefront of the UFO/paranormal scene, a voice for the public, in the trenches, feet in the mud and relentlessly fighting for truth.

This was her career choice.

Her early work was admirable and as Iíve said many times I have no axe to grind with her, but to lay the blame for her paranoia at the feet of others -for betraying an unspoken trust to release the images- is reprehensible and indefensible.

Ty actually said in his cover letter to LMH:

ďSo thatís why Iím sending to the only place that will cover all this.Ē

I bet this isnít the kind of cover he was expecting, he probably meant cover as in coverage whereas LMH has evidently taken it to mean cover-up.

Do you think he went to all the trouble of developing the images at full size and sending them to LMH physically through the mail just so that they can be suppressed?

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All joking aside, pass my best onto Lev and remind him not to take life too seriously......

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« Reply #1033 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 10:03am »

To mur and Dr. Dil,

Both well put, logical and understandable posts. Basically, I agree with what you have said. My interest in this is not to rush to judgment, but one word, why. I can see something behind this that I have seen before. Government, PTB, Satan, The Trickster, Aliens, I do not know, but what ever it is it is not mediocre.

Popular Science Mag has an interesting article on the new digital effects that are now available to Hollywood. The Drone tech, if CG, is already outdated. The article is also a plug for "Speed Racer". We are not far from a new paradigm of reality, so is the Drone a set up for this is it a test being watched to learn how far they can go. To me digital games and digital entertainment have an all to familiar ring of programing. What are they programing us for!!!

I can attest to the intoxicating allure of digital manipulation. Couple the Internet and we have a powerful tool for good or evil. Whatever controls these two elements in the future, may control the world.
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« Reply #1034 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 10:33am »

Agreed, and let me just say...I am looking forward to "Speed Racer".

Hey, wait a minute...The drones could be viral for "Speed" shocked

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