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« Reply #1035 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 12:13pm »

on Apr 12th, 2008, 11:35pm, Truether wrote:
If I was bullied by OMFERS as she has been I would publicly burn the photos and send the ashes to OMF Admin and Mods.
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Don't you see that is what the naysayers want? They continually post there rants and accusations in an attempt to destroy the evidence.

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but it’s not just me and the majority seem to agree

Dr Dill, I don't know what polls you are looking at but all of them I have seen on the forums always favor the real side including this one http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1187492559 . What are the naysayers so afraid of that they must post so fervently and loudly?
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« Reply #1036 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 12:27pm »

I might quitely keep a few copies.
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« Reply #1037 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 12:31pm »

on Apr 13th, 2008, 10:33am, murnut wrote:
Agreed, and let me just say...I am looking forward to "Speed Racer".

Hey, wait a minute...The drones could be viral for "Speed" shocked

hahahahahahaha


As I get older I look back at our technology and marvel at how over-rated it is. Cell phones that always cut out. Batteries that always go dead on you at the worst time. A transportation system that has not progressed in fifty years. Gadgets that try to convince us we are so advanced but when one looks closer we find that the future that was promised never really materialized.

CGI is another over-rated technology. They try to convince you that they have mastered the art of realism but it's not true. The movies end up looking like cartoons. Even the subject matter has been relegated to reproducing cartoons. Transformers? Spiderman? Speed Racer? Who exactly is running the movie industry? A bunch of overgrown kids?
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« Reply #1038 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 12:54pm »

on Apr 13th, 2008, 12:13pm, Latitude wrote:
Don't you see that is what the naysayers want? They continually post there rants and accusations in an attempt to destroy the evidence.

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Dr Dill, I don't know what polls you are looking at but all of them I have seen on the forums always favor the real side including this one http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1187492559 . What are the naysayers so afraid of that they must post so fervently and loudly?



Now why would I want to have evidence destroyed?

Do you really believe I am a agent?

All kidding aside I do believe there is something occurring that warrants investigation.

DRT is doing a much better job than LMH...I commend you and them.

I am puzzled by the fact the you spurned Carrion, and aligned yourselves with Howe.

Howe has shown no interest in solving the case.
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« Reply #1039 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 1:27pm »

I'm not sure I know what you are talking about. I never spurned Carrion. I thought he was a nice guy and was happy to see him on the forum. It was OMF admins that were not getting any cooperation from him and so basically ignored him. Carrion was there for one reason to find out about any photo witnesses. To him the entire case hinged on a photo witness coming forward completely. I tried to tell him that his only hope of contacting a photo witness laid with LMH and he should contact her. He had some sort of feud going on with her and was reluctant to make contact and that's why he was attempting to get evidence via the back door.

My beef was not against Carrion. It was against Reichmuth who I had caught deliberately spreading disinfo.
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« Reply #1040 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 1:46pm »

Fair enough...but generally speaking, the DRT has aligned themselves with Howe.

Carrion has shown an interest in solving the case.

Has Howe?

I cannot reconcile her actions


But to each, their own wink
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« Reply #1041 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 3:34pm »

Hi Llat!! smiley

I’ve missed been quoted out of context and having meanings attached to misrepresent me, it pleases me to see you don’t disappoint and you’re still reading intent into anothers words.

on Apr 13th, 2008, 12:13pm, Latitude wrote:
Truether wrote:If I was bullied by OMFERS as she has been I would publicly burn the photos and send the ashes to OMF Admin and Mods.
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Don't you see that is what the naysayers want? They continually post there rants and accusations in an attempt to destroy the evidence.

Well, you’re entitled to your opinion Llat and I sure do appreciate you sharing it with such fervour but perhaps, just perhaps (and I’m going out on a limb here) the only rant and accusation in the last few posts are in the one from you I quote above?

The discussion was civil, concentrated and, well, just altogether more adult in your absence. No accusatory or inflammatory comments, no questioning other people’s intent or motivations, just simply presenting what we know to be the facts along with our opinions based on them.

I think it’s more telling how much we all realised that we ALL only want the truth, regardless of where it takes us, I can’t speak for others but I feel it was an environment that was a great deal more conducive to progressing together as a unit (regardless of beliefs) than what we now have (again).

on Apr 13th, 2008, 12:13pm, Latitude wrote:
Dr Dill wrote: Quote:but it’s not just me and the majority seem to agree

Dr Dill, I don't know what polls you are looking at but all of them I have seen on the forums always favor the real side including this one http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&action=display&num=1187492559 . What are the naysayers so afraid of that they must post so fervently and loudly?

Exactly!!

You don’t know as I wasn’t, as polls weren’t mentioned, alluded to or quoted. As I say we were discussing why we believe as we do and discussing the parameters in which these beliefs were formed, do you know what fervently means?

Fervently: showing ardent or extremely passionate enthusiasm.”

Now, read back over the last few posts, including your own obviously and tell me whose posts could be described as showing, “extremely passionate enthusiasm” as before your arrival all emotions were checked and tempered so as not to nullify the content or incite division.

And I know you’re going to ask how you quoted me out of context, so look at what else DrDil also wrote wink:

on Apr 13th, 2008, 08:00am, DrDil wrote:
I don’t hold my belief dear and would happily be proved wrong, in fact that’s the best possible outcome as far as I’m concerned…..

I may require more proof than others…..

My interpretation of the evidence to date is simply not enough for me to believe….

I’ve said before it probably says more about me than the available evidence, but it’s not just me and the majority seem to agree, I realise this doesn’t make it right…..

Again, I realise this doesn’t make it right as many other similar members believe they are what they purport to be.….

Just today at OMF with regards to Isaac I wrote: “In my opinion his letter is a superbly executed dialogue, leaving little to no room for misinterpretation and it also seems as if every slight deviation on content was flawless in its logic, and was always justified in contributing to the full picture as we were meant to see it. Every literary nuance and all of the overtones suggest that this was a premeditated document and certainly wasn’t the first draft, this doesn’t mean it’s fake or hoaxed, merely that it’s an impeccable presentation of the facts.”

Believe me I don’t think it’s merely some gifted adolescent with a penchant for mischief, but that reasoning alone doesn’t justify the Drones as a reality, it just deepens the mystery.

Every quote above is completely free from passion and is my belief, in all of the sentences I offer both points of view or point out that this alone doesn’t make me right.

In fact the snippet you selected to misrepresent is sandwiched in between:

on Apr 13th, 2008, 08:00am, DrDil wrote:
“I’ve said before it probably says more about me than the available evidence, but it’s not just me and the majority seem to agree, I realise this doesn’t make it right…..

Again, I realise this doesn’t make it right as many other similar members believe they are what they purport to be.….”

Viewed in its proper context, what makes you think I was quoting any kind of poll?

The very word used, i.e. “Seems” makes it obvious it’s my opinion?

Doesn’t it?

I also think it’s blatantly obvious who is, “so afraid that they must post so fervently and loudly?”

And I respect your position on the Drones as I respect your right to post whatever you want, I also respect your right to blame whomever you want for whatever you want, in fact I’d even fight for that right if the time came.

I am not the enemy my friend regardless of how much blame is placed and of how many fingers point…..

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« Reply #1042 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 4:26pm »

Dr Dill, I'm not calling you of being the enemy. I am only pointing out the membership of both forums always favor toward the photos and reports being legit. I'm also pointing out that reading the forums, one would think that most lean toward the hoax explanation. But it only seems that way because of how fervent the pro hoax crowd is in their postings. Unfortunately most pro real leaning members are quiet about their views. It's the back slapping pro hoax crowd, even though they are the minority, make it appear they are the majority. I am the exception to the rule. The louder the pro hoax crowd screams the louder I scream for the open minded side. If it wasn't for members like me the entire case would have been shouted down by now and the more open minded would have moved on.
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« Reply #1043 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 4:55pm »

on Apr 13th, 2008, 4:26pm, Latitude wrote:
Dr Dill, I'm not calling you of being the enemy. I am only pointing out the membership of both forums always favor toward the photos and reports being legit. I'm also pointing out that reading the forums, one would think that most lean toward the hoax explanation. But it only seems that way because of how fervent the pro hoax crowd is in their postings. Unfortunately most pro real leaning members are quiet about their views. It's the back slapping pro hoax crowd, even though they are the minority, make it appear they are the majority. I am the exception to the rule. The louder the pro hoax crowd screams the louder I scream for the open minded side. If it wasn't for members like me the entire case would have been shouted down by now and the more open minded would have moved on.

Sorry, my mistake smiley.

When you said, “What are the naysayers so afraid of that they must post so fervently and loudly?.” I assumed you were referring to me as you quoted me immediately prior then proceeded to comment.

You may well be right about the percentages Llat, but that’s just two forums, discounting ATS & OMF the other UFO forums combined have way more members and the Drone threads combined (in my opinion!!) have less posts than any one of the popular threads here, at OMF or at ATS.

So what does it prove?
Absolutely nothing.
What could it prove either way?
Absolutely nothing.

How is that, you may ask?

Because my opinion is formed from my experience and my knowledge, sure it can be changed and has been. But my opinion is ambiguous and humble enough to allow for errors.

Is yours?

While I may run the risk of sounding a little, “Mur”ish (the nut dropped him!! grin) your entire comment was comprised of trigger phrases, designed to incite an emotion/reaction, for example:

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Back slapping pro hoax crowd
Make it appear they are the majority
The louder the pro hoax crowd screams
Entire case would have been shouted down by now

I realised a long time ago that’s what you seem to be, “About” and that’s great, I’m pleased you’ve adopted such a stance as it appears to make you really happy. smiley

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I am the exception to the rule. The louder the pro hoax crowd screams the louder I scream for the open minded side.

This was my initial point, who was screaming?

It was a relaxed environment where we were discussing the various personal views on where we are at this moment in time. I realise you don’t agree with anything I say, but even you must admit there was certainly no, “Screaming” be it for hoax or otherwise.

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If it wasn't for members like me the entire case would have been shouted down by now and the more open minded would have moved on.

Yet again that’s great news and I’m pleased you’ve kept it alive, I thank you for it. smiley

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« Reply #1044 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 5:17pm »

New Issue available here:

http://vonstern.homepage.dk/Magazine.html

Has to do with the propulsion and antigravity issues of the drones. And in general. grin

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« Reply #1045 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 9:31pm »

This is gonna ruffle a few feathers ..but..... here goes. Long ago and far away.. I started out my working career as a draftsman, then decided to get my hands dirty an became prototype/ machinist/ modelmaker. If I took two maybe three well worn GM T400 automatic trans. A McLeod racing gravity clutch and a Knights of Columbus ceremonial sword, and about two hours in a good kiln to make a few of the nice white tile thingys that are glued to it.. and a certain lamp I have in my cellar.. I bet I could have a pretty dang good 'Texas Drone' of my own. Its very well made to be sure, But I see to many 'Earthlike' pieces on it. Just my Dos Centavos.
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« Reply #1046 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 10:50pm »

I know..I know. Thats the Critter thats making the crop circles. Seen one just like it on the TV~~~ must have been the landing zone for it!
Seriously though, look at the circles made in the UK on some of those fields and then look at the correlation to the Texas drones main body parts and the connecting parts. Its very close!

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« Reply #1047 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 11:06am »

to quote: "As I get older I look back at our technology and marvel at how over-rated it is. Cell phones that always cut out."

I've said before and will say again - one of the things about the drone issue is how new and unique this thing is.

Think on this: in hundreds of years of sci fi and fantasy, not a SINGLE writer predicted the "cellphone". Closest thing in all human knowledge leading up to about 1992 is Star Treks communicators.

Prior to the first drone upload, in all the history of sci fi, over ALL TIME no one EVER envisioned an aerial vehicle like the drone.


Prior to the first Isaac/CARET upload, in all the history of sci fi, over ALL TIME no one EVER came up with the idea of "Rigid Spatial Relationships" holding a vehicle together.

All of this stuff is so new, so unique, so mind-bendingly original, that if it was fake (especailly the CARET docs) someone would have come forward by now to collect from Alienware (amongst others) making money off this.

Mark me - the Alienware inclusion of the primer images is a fishing expedition - the guys over there are just as curious as we are, and they are like, "Hey, lets stick some of this on the box and see if anyone comes forward with a copyright infringement claim" - and to this day, no one has.

As i study this from the shadows, i look back at all the groundbreaking sci fi stuff i've witnessed over the years, the great graphic design, concept work, etc.

No Drones...nowhere...hundreds of years of human creativity...

What should that tell us?
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« Reply #1048 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 11:32am »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 11:06am, Kenray wrote:
Think on this: in hundreds of years of sci fi and fantasy, not a SINGLE writer predicted the "cellphone". Closest thing in all human knowledge leading up to about 1992 is Star Treks communicators.


Thats is untrue

Dick Tracy comics in the 1920s or 30s had wrist communicators...much like cell phones!!
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« Reply #1049 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 11:41am »

It tells us plenty, but it will never tell a skeptic anything. That would go against the very core of their reason for living. Communicating with these types is a waste of time and energy that could best be spent on more profitable pursuits.
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