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« Reply #105 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 7:42pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 7:32pm, hjdelight wrote:
Link not working elephant.

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Here it is. http://cropcirclexplorer.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1191744843
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« Reply #106 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:05pm »

Let the show begin. shocked
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« Reply #107 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:05pm »

I don't know what to make of that. It again sounds like techobable. Honestly it seems like the author enjoys throwing weird scientific jargon around instead of clearly stating his point. The whole thing sounds weird pyramids, ceramic dynamic thingamabobs. I would imagine a trained scientist would have trouble following any of this. I am suspicious of this fellows input.

I firmly believe the original drones are a real phenomena, but sadly many cooky people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon and muddying the water.

Whatever happened to sending Linda more Issac questions? He responded to some of the critics, has that e-mail been sent and if so when? and also has someone simply and politely asked linda if she is writing a book on the drones? At least we'd have something to look forward to, if not then we could ask her if she would release the high res pics for members of her site. I for one would join just to get the pics.

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« Reply #108 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:17pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 8:05pm, Ufocatcher wrote:
Let the show begin. shocked


He's baaaack!

How's it going, Catcher? Have you seen anything strange up in your neck of the woods lately?
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« Reply #109 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:25pm »

Not lately, but a few weeks back I was looking at the moon through the telescope and as I was adjusting it. I seen to bright lights in the sky going very slow. then one turned off like a light bulb. then the one that was flying chase vanished in the same area as the first. I was not the only one that could not explain what we seen that clear night. net was not ready for action LOL. tongue
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« Reply #110 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:30pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 8:05pm, danblast wrote:
Whatever happened to sending Linda more Issac questions? He responded to some of the critics, has that e-mail been sent and if so when? and also has someone simply and politely asked linda if she is writing a book on the drones? At least we'd have something to look forward to, if not then we could ask her if she would release the high res pics for members of her site. I for one would join just to get the pics.



No response as far as I know. I have asked about the book and she did not respond to that question. She's a very suspicious lady. As soon as I aligned myself too heavily with these forums she clammed up. I think you should send her an email. But be forewarned. She won't reply to you if you take an attitude like you have done with Dr Sherwood. I got to tell you, I have been around some physicists and they sometimes sound like they are not speaking English. I must take what they say very slowly and analyze each word. Let's at least hear what the Dr has to say before slamming the door shut. I'm very interested. Oh, don't tell LMH you frequent any of these forums.
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« Reply #111 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:32pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 8:25pm, Ufocatcher wrote:
net was not ready for action LOL. tongue

ROTFLMAO grin grin grin
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« Reply #112 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 8:37pm »

Glad you get a laugh out of it. I love being known for the net. It gave me a funny appeal to people here and many other forms. But most of all how have you and the many other friends here been doing. wink
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« Reply #113 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 9:22pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 8:37pm, Ufocatcher wrote:
Glad you get a laugh out of it. I love being known for the net. It gave me a funny appeal to people here and many other forms. But most of all how have you and the many other friends here been doing. wink


We are still hanging in there. Still fighting out the drone topic. I still have not seen a drone but I thought I heard one once. I felt a low rumble and heard cracking noise and went outside but saw nothing. Maybe it was only a car with a big stereo going by.

In case you want to know it was I who put OTF up to making that cartoon. He has a talent for doing those and I suggested he do one in your honor! I think he might even have another one in the works, so stay tuned. I'm glad you can see the humor in it. That says a lot about your character. wink
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« Reply #114 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 9:29pm »

He let me in on it. I thought it was alert 5 using a different screen name LOL. But truly thanks for thinking about me I just havn,t the time anymore to come here often. but I promise I will still put a laugh or two your guys way. UFOCATCHER......
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« Reply #115 on: Oct 9th, 2007, 12:46am »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 6:41pm, DrDil wrote:
It’s a long story but there’s only been one true hi-res image released, it’s one of the 12 TY/BB images and can be downloaded here:

http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

But even this is merely a scan of the original…………….


DD, thanks for the link. It is unfortunate we always seem to be working from copies....usually from a digital source...which is so much easier to manipulate that film negatives. I think it is time we use another technology to try and bag a Drone!
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« Reply #116 on: Oct 9th, 2007, 01:31am »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 6:53pm, Latitude wrote:
Cogent1,

I am disappointed in your expert. Does he believe in the possibility of ETs? I think not, hence his knee jerk label of fake. Some of us have been here since the beginning and have already heard these same arguments. But I'm going to stick it out with you because you seem like a sincere fellow.

The photo editing software does not indicate a fake. It may indicate the photos has been re-sized or the brightness adjusted or any number of things. Some people use photoshop simply to get their pictures out of their camera and into their computer.

Do a search in the forum for "white sky". Remember that the Ty photos are 4x6 prints that were scanned and enhanced by LMH. Ty most likely used a cheap instamatic camera. You also have to take into account the weather that day. Here is the Steven sighting which happened the same day, taken from a different vantage point (he could have been photographing the object simultaneously as Ty was). Check out the sky.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

Be sure to click on the images to get the full size.

I'll look around to see who's hosting the higher res pics and post back.



Lat, thanks for the input.....but let's not judge my expert too quickly. wink They looked at these images for all of 10 minutes or so, as I could not afford a full analysis at $350.00/hour (2-40 hours required depending on depth of analysis). They do work for many world governments, DoD, NSA, Museums, etc.....The methods used include computer modeled algorithmic optical computational still image and video techniques (too many to post here). These are academic world players. Granted, they operate within the current narrow scientific paradigm....so they probably aren't going to be inviting ET's to their next symposium. A moot point anyway. The main point they make is simply this: if the sky is long/over exposed and the craft is under the same lighting conditions, the craft should be similarly washed out, but it is not....perhaps a field distortion of some sort...could be, but could also be due to digital manipulation (perhaps innocently), but there is an inconsistency from a photographic point of view. That's all they were getting at. They said also that it would take much more analysis to reach a solid conclusion.
Were the TY prints from a digital or film camera? Digital manipulation could have ocurred prior to printing depending on who made the prints.
We need to get some images of one of these Drones with something other than optical instruments. I am quite sure if these are actual craft, they must have several different "unique" signatures that would be quite singular in nature. Lat, we must not give up, no matter where the truth leads us. A valid conclusion or proof of concept is worth the effort. Even if this turns out to be an unprovable case....there are many others out there if we can just use the right tools/methods to capture the data. Ahhh, the fun of the chase!
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« Reply #117 on: Oct 9th, 2007, 05:32am »

--o0o--

I was looking up "StarGateSg1"(Science-fiction movie/TVseries).
Notice the "barcode" in the inner circle (For best performance view fullsized picture):

http://www.wallpaperlinks.be/img/mes_wall/stargate02-1024x768.jpg

It has parallels to the ones on the "Isaac Primer", only prensented in
another way.

Whether or not this is coincidence I'll let it be up to you. I find it interesting, yet strange somehow.
--o0o--

I find this interesting too, talking about barcodes:

http://www.technoriversoft.com/CircularBarcode.html

--o0o--

--VonStern

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Thanks, Dan smiley
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« Reply #118 on: Oct 9th, 2007, 06:47am »

on Oct 9th, 2007, 05:32am, VonStern wrote:
--o0o--

I was looking up "StarGateSg1"(Science-fiction movie/TVseries).
Notice the "barcode" in the inner circle (For best performance view fullsized picture):

http://www.wallpaperlinks.be/img/mes_wall/stargate02-1024x768.jpg

It has parallels to the ones on the "Isaac Primer", only prensented in
another way.

Whether or not this is coincidence I'll let it be up to you. I find it interesting, yet strange somehow.
--o0o--

I find this interesting too, talking about barcodes:

http://www.technoriversoft.com/CircularBarcode.html

--o0o--

--VonStern

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Thanks, Dan smiley
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Hi Von Stern,
Your Bar code theory is very good I find it being used in several areas of technology including Physiology which could explain some contact from a previous research effort I studied.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=523874

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:zosJ9QwAHQoJ:www.engr.uconn.edu/~ion/FILES/pub/iwbra05b.ps+algorithms+expressed+a+barcodes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

This link shows info about Castles4me ASC II theory alogaritims along with a sample barcode that shows how they look.

http://www.neodynamic.com/barcodes/DataMatrix_Barcode.aspx

And finally wink barcode of the Cosmos.

http://passporttoknowledge.com/sun/educators/cosmos.html

With the witnesess testimony of an earlier post of a Park Ranger that thought drones where just a normal thing around his part of the woods.

Maybe the drones that we are all so interested in are doing what I had an earlier thought testing the enviorment for dangerous stuff, looking at battle damage, following airplanes. LOL ETC. Just a thought on my part..
Some better searcher here can find that post about the park Ranger thinking the drones are just normal cause I just gave up ROFL I am researched out lately.

Von Stern to be simple spoken I think You and Castles4me are on to something good. Thanks
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« Reply #119 on: Oct 9th, 2007, 09:49am »

I am new, I have tried to read as many posts as I can but there are so many! 500 pages or more. So it is possible, indeed almost certain that I am repeating points made earlier. Notwithstanding, as regards the Isaac Caret document:

1) As to antigravity: The Wikapedia article on this states most physicists doubt it exists. If it does, then if my understanding of the article is correct, it is linked to antimatter (as I would expect), and it has not yet been possible to create antimatter long enough to observe a gravitational effect. If the Caret lab had observed anything to do with antigravity it would have leaked out into the scientific community by now, this would be a tremendous scientific breakthough which could not be suppressed for long. The stated purpose of the lab was to commercialize this technology.

2) Symbolic intelligence wa (sorry just returned from Japan), each symbol would have to be an object, and have the necessary coding behind it (not necessarily conventional coding). Then the objects could be represented and processed much more flexibly in the usual way in a computer. This conception of Isaac's appears to be a romantic throughback to the days of analogue computing, and for its legitimacy draws on the formal symbolic calculus of Russell, Turing et al. Thus it seems plausible on first read, while you are "suspending disbelief" as you read a good story. After that, well we aren't here to be unkind to Isaac ...

3) Putting together four bits of memory gives more than four times the effect wa: It's called synergy, networks are good for that, so lets stick it in. How could they operate the alien device to make such an observation? If they did, it would have to be a massive line of research in itself. This purportedly top level summary would, in the real world, reference such work along the lines of "Kuhn and Tuckerman, doc:EC-192, have investigated the operating characteristics of the system and have concluded... ".

Others have made many similar points. If this were genuine, or even plausible, it would have attracted attention from mainstream media. Thus, reject Caret documentation.
Fine, so what? The real problem is, I realized that the Caret document is a poisoned well which deprecates the whole drone thing. The Stephen and Ty sightings incorporate the symbol diagrams, so they are almost certainly (like 99.99%) linked to something I have rejected. As to the pre-Caret sightings, the situation is more complex. They are also suspect because they feature the font. I have thought about this and I don't think it would be possible for the Caret document to be created in the short interval between Rajman and Caret, or even the longer interval between Chad and Caret. A lot of detailed work has gone into it. What is more, the font is not something tacked on afterwards. It is central not only to the diagrams, but to the very concepts expressed (the symbolic manipulation). 'Saladfingers' took somewhat longer to create his video, which is about the same level of complexity, a bit less if anything. Don't take my word for it, ask Saladfingers.

So it seems 99% probable, on issues quite apart from the images themselves, that the drone thing - at least so far as the good pics go - is a hoax. I would be 100% certain, and not bother to post at all, were it not for Linda Moulton Howe's rather impressive list of drone sightings, and the fact she has verified the independent existence of Chad, Rajman and Ty. As the months pass by, the promised interviews with Chad, Rajman and Ty have not appeared. Furthermore, Ms Howe has herself gone very quiet on the topic. Possibly she has drawn the same conclusions as me?

Turning now to the little stories accompanying each sighting, they each look plausible, but we have already established that Isaac is a gifted writer. Most people cannot do it, probably only 5% of the population have the ability to write an account which looks prima facie plausible. Note that no account accompanied the Lev drone photo. However, if *I* had witnessed the story of the millenium and taken high quality photos of it, I would be rushing to get my 5 minutes of fame, and cash in as well probably. Call me attention seeking if you will, but of the 20 people or so who who are supposed to have witnessed the drone in the high quality photo sightings, not one seems to want to come forward.
Chad: Chad and his neighbours, 5 say
Lake Tahoe Lady: 2
Rajman: 4
Stephen: 1 (incidentally, does anyone remember Chad- the dark half?)
Ty: 8
Total: 20
Particularly the cycling case is odd: eight hearty lads, oxygenated after a day's healthy exercise, see the drone not once, not twice, not even three times, but FOUR times, take excellent photos of it from every angle, and do nothing about it! Despite the fact there are eight of them to testify! I don't know what cyclists are like in America, but in Australia they are a pretty coc-ky bunch (did I tell you we won 6 gold medals in cycling at the last Olympics) - it wouldn't happen here. (Your editor rejects it when I write coc-ky, what is wrong with xxxxy? So I put it in two bits for you.)

It does not follow that drones themselves do not exist, and possibly if this is a hoax it is inspired by the hoaxers' genuine experience with drones. There are better validated sightings, including the Kentucky video and the bloke who gave his full name and occupation. I will make a second post with some more positive thoughts on the subject.

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