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« Reply #1065 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:09pm »

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Interesting though as we all hypothesised what would happen if someone picked up the ball and ran with all the way to the bank, the silence is certainly an ominous warning, but of what


Oh yes, I think it is obvious who wants to hitch his wagon to this star and also wants some of the media attention. Also there is now a very good debunker at another site so the Drones should fade away soon, unless another strong event happens. I wonder what the next rage will be. I hope its good and fuzzy and just a pinpoint of light in the shape of an out of focus bird. Of course I am sticking with the debunked Drones.
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« Reply #1066 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:10pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 11:41am, Truether wrote:
It tells us plenty, but it will never tell a skeptic anything. That would go against the very core of their reason for living. Communicating with these types is a waste of time and energy that could best be spent on more profitable pursuits.
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He, he, promises, promises. grin

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“Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.” kiss

I was going to compliment you as I believe it’s the first time I’ve witnessed your sense of humour…..

on Apr 13th, 2008, 12:27pm, Truether wrote:
I might quitely keep a few copies.
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And in a , "First person narrative!!" wink
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« Reply #1067 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:21pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 3:09pm, Truether wrote:
Oh yes, I think it is obvious who wants to hitch his wagon to this star and also wants some of the media attention. Also there is now a very good debunker at another site so the Drones should fade away soon, unless another strong event happens. I wonder what the next rage will be. I hope its good and fuzzy and just a pinpoint of light in the shape of an out of focus bird. Of course I am sticking with the debunked Drones.
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I assume as you quote me prior then your comment was directed at me, so how on earth could what I wrote be misconstrued or associated with debunking of any nature?

I was as unbiased as possible.

Which site?

Which, “Debunker?”
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« Reply #1068 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:53pm »

Geeees Doc...you mean I ain't original in my posts.....$#%)(&*^()&#$()&^()...I'm gonna go eat some worms!!!! Big giant alien worms....ya... thats the ticket!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #1069 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 3:54pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 2:37pm, Marvin wrote:
Do those protective laws come into application before or after he finds himself in the Federal Pin? laugh


You missed my point. If it's hoaxed, I believe copyright laws would be in effect as the claim it was art could easily be made. No "Federal Pin" for a hoaxer and no copy protection for a whistleblower.

But Doc is right that it would be argued in court for the protection issue. Although using a false name for authorship doesn't nullify protection as far as I know.

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« Reply #1070 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 4:23pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 3:54pm, hjdelight wrote:
You missed my point. If it's hoaxed, I believe copyright laws would be in effect as the claim it was art could easily be made. No "Federal Pin" for a hoaxer and no copy protection for a whistleblower.

But Doc is right that it would be argued in court for the protection issue. Although using a false name for authorship doesn't nullify protection as far as I know.

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My apology HJ,

I just could not resist the joke…

IMO, you are not going to see any copyright claims. If Isaac is just a hoaxer… Isaac is likely to lay low unless there is some money in it to risk a big coming out party.

Although, it would make an interesting legal battle based on intent… to claim copyright after freely handing out the material and claiming:

“The material I'm sharing is free to distribute provided it's all kept intact and unmodified, and this letter is included. I tend to question the motives of anyone charging money for their information, and will assure you that I will never do such a thing.” (per Isaac's own words)

But if his "letter" is a hoax, and the contents of which are a hoax, maybe the claim about not making a buck is a hoax. rolleyes

Geeze... where would it all end. grin grin grin
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« Reply #1071 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 4:43pm »

You know I had forgotten about that letter. (no apology necessary BTW) That could change things. You are right though, it's like chasing your tail to figure out how it would all come out. It would be landmark though and probably affect court decisions on the internet from that time on. For instance, when you post your picture on a forum, are you saying anyone can use your likeness? What if they use it in a porn movie, are they violating your rights or did you give them up by posting it? So by posting it willingly are you giving it to the public domain to do as the denizens wish with it? If Isaac is a hoaxer ( I don't believe so) then is the hoax his property or public domain. Are the photos his or ours? The story too could be claimed as property in which case, without that letter, retelling it is a copyright infringement. Yikes!

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« Reply #1072 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 4:55pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 3:54pm, hjdelight wrote:
You missed my point. If it's hoaxed, I believe copyright laws would be in effect as the claim it was art could easily be made. No "Federal Pin" for a hoaxer and no copy protection for a whistleblower.

But Doc is right that it would be argued in court for the protection issue. Although using a false name for authorship doesn't nullify protection as far as I know.

HJ

I agree HJ, otherwise pseudonyms/ghost names would be counter-productive if not impractical and impossible to maintain.

I was getting at more of a conceptual point of view, the Drone concept. After the images and documentation were released I imagine that any claim of ownership would be exponentially more difficult than if you alerted an independent, competent and officially recognised authority prior to the release.

Whoops, I see Marvin’s more or less said the rest!! grin
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« Reply #1073 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 5:41pm »

Dr. Dil, nothing is directed to you. I am referring to Knowhow on OMF. This ones subtle way of explaining the Drones and dismissing off hand and cleverly is extraordinary. You seem to be certainly within reason with your comments. My idea or belief is simple, the Drones and the entire UFO phenomena is something to manipulate humans or to herd them in certain directions. Whatever intelligence behind it, is far beyond the need of physical devices on the macro scale. They only need an observer.
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« Reply #1074 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 6:07pm »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 5:41pm, Truether wrote:
Dr. Dil, nothing is directed to you. I am referring to Knowhow on OMF. This ones subtle way of explaining the Drones and dismissing off hand and cleverly is extraordinary. You seem to be certainly within reason with your comments. My idea or belief is simple, the Drones and the entire UFO phenomena is something to manipulate humans or to herd them in certain directions. Whatever intelligence behind it, is far beyond the need of physical devices on the macro scale. They only need an observer.

Sorry IC, my mistake. kiss

I thought you would have approved of Knowhow’s comments?
Aren’t they fundamentally of a validating nature?

I also (believe it or not!!) entirely digested your (collectives) take on the Drones quite a while ago and I agree that the quantum element you allude to but never mention is as tantalising as is it is profound by implication, and it’s a theory I always mull over, irrespective of the reality of the Drones. Whether or not they are ever proved either way to the satisfaction of everyone doesn’t detract from the point you understate, I believe this could possibly be a major part of the phenomenon as a whole. The observer inextricably linked to the reality of an object, solely through perception. But that’s another thread entirely….. grin
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« Reply #1075 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 6:28pm »

I detect something in this posters comments. The quantum question seems to me a good place to hang the UFO phenomena. Quantum effects on the macro scale. The supernatural may fit here too. A phenomena geared to it perception and the perceiver. Anyway, I have been looking at images of the new LHC at CERN. Sometimes they look like the place where spare parts were picked up to built the Drones. If CG did the designer get inspiration from devices that are used in studying particles! Are the designs similar because a "real" Drone uses an atomic force to do its job!
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« Reply #1076 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 03:40am »

on Apr 15th, 2008, 2:06pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi VonStern, looking good!! grin

I was wondering if you’d looked into the, “Hutchinson Effect?”

I uploaded a video ages ago accompanied by this text.



The video is here, but I’m sure you’ve already seen it, just wondered what you thought? smiley

Cheers!!


Thanks, DrDil!

I'm familiar with the Hutchinson effect. Only, I can't say I´m a believer in this matter. I've watched another TV documentary where he shows his laboratory and some small experiments. Not convincing, I'm afraid. If it were true, I'm sure we'd heard about it being commercialised by now. He's been working on it for decades. There has also been talk of cover-up by the military, more to read here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchinson_effect

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« Reply #1077 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 10:57am »

you can get FORM PA (or the other one for graphic arts) at the Library of Congress website. Issac (whoever he is) could have created the CARET docs and copyrighted them under some silly name like "Doodlefrag Bonkitydonk) and sent in the form...no way you or i or any copyright lawyer could find them (it would be like that last scene in Indiana Jones - all the boxes in the warehouse).

The only way the file could be pulled would be if Isaac requested it by the assigned number...


But That's Not The Point, really....I think what we have witnessed here is a...

FISHING EXPEDITION!!!

Let's separate the photos (all of them) of the drones and the CARET docs for just a second, please.

I work in a Federally Regulated job. All Federally Regulated docs get audited from time to time (sometimes decades in between audits for cold projects or archives).

So, lets imagine that CARET was/is REAL, and in the course of a doc audit, a Federal Auditor goes thru the CARET stuff and finds a wad of docs missing (including a big comprehensive report).

Since there were a group of civvies working on the project and you can't close in on who might have stolen yer docs to within less than 30 (as Isaac mentioned), how would you go about finding who got yer stuff?

FISH!!

Either computer generate images of your product, or allow the product to be filmed (by you or your designee), then meme it out to the net (raj, chad) and see if you can draw the guilty party out.

I think that is what happened.

I think the CARET doc is real and true, and Isaac's comments on the Fortunecity site were real and true.

If he would have just posted to Fortune city from a public computer and disappeared, he would have gotten away with it.

The second he emailed LMH, he was toast.

My theory - Isaac is dead or in a hole somewhere, and the Federal Auditor got all the documents back once they jumped him.

That's why nothing more of CARET has been released. Isaac is pushing up daisies and the Feds got their stuff back.

Anything else is most likely a copycat hoax, or a continuation of the fishing expedition to see if there are any other civvies out there willing to break their vow of silence.

Poor Isaac.
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« Reply #1078 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 2:13pm »

It's possible. My only contention would be the question of if the govt would release anything close enough to the real thing in order to find Isaac. And how could they be sure he would respond? It seems too risky to release real or very close photos on just a chance of him surfacing. The info/images, if real, are probably so compartmentalized that few if any would have access to it to release it in order for another "compartment" i.e. enforcement, to use it. I'm not being clear on it but what I mean is, the people after Isaac probably don't know why they are after him other than in general terms and have no access to the real data. I would suppose this anyway.

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« Reply #1079 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 4:28pm »

on Apr 16th, 2008, 10:57am, Kenray wrote:
I think the CARET doc is real and true, and Isaac's comments on the Fortunecity site were real and true.

If he would have just posted to Fortune city from a public computer and disappeared, he would have gotten away with it.

The second he emailed LMH, he was toast.

My theory - Isaac is dead or in a hole somewhere, and the Federal Auditor got all the documents back once they jumped him.

That's why nothing more of CARET has been released. Isaac is pushing up daisies and the Feds got their stuff back.

Anything else is most likely a copycat hoax, or a continuation of the fishing expedition to see if there are any other civvies out there willing to break their vow of silence.

Poor Isaac.

Hi KenRay, one of the problems with that theory is you are directly doubting the knowledge and experience of Isaac, remember he wrote:

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“While the powers that be obviously don't want this material leaking if they can help it, they're certainly aware that scans of documents aren't in the same league as UFOs landing on the White House lawn. I'm not the first person to leak a document or a photo, and I won't be the last. The information I've shared is very unlikely to change the world, and this is the reason I'm not worried about being literally murdered if I'm identified. I'll face consequences to be sure, but it's not the kind of thing they kill for.”

And if you start doubting Isaac’s judgement then surely it’s a very steep and very slippery slope?
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