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« Reply #1095 on: Apr 20th, 2008, 9:57pm »

Drone season has begun!
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« Reply #1096 on: Apr 21st, 2008, 08:52am »

Another case has recently been reported hasnt it? Someone saw that thing the other day..

Just send a helicopter after it... ( or a remote controlled toy one for the less brave at heart ^^ )

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« Reply #1097 on: Apr 24th, 2008, 8:47pm »

Wow it got quiet in here. Come on folks there is plenty of new info coming out to talk about. Speak up! tongue
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« Reply #1098 on: Apr 24th, 2008, 10:00pm »

Why bother?
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« Reply #1099 on: Apr 25th, 2008, 1:45pm »

Hi guys!
I don't have the time to read all of the discussions in here right now, but I've just stumbled over this view on Google maps.
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« Reply #1100 on: Apr 25th, 2008, 3:05pm »

on Apr 25th, 2008, 1:45pm, WT wrote:
Hi guys!
I don't have the time to read all of the discussions in here right now, but I've just stumbled over this view on Google maps.
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Thanks so much for sharing WT, checking it out now!! smiley
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« Reply #1101 on: Apr 25th, 2008, 7:05pm »

Excellent WT, well done.
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« Reply #1102 on: Apr 25th, 2008, 9:54pm »

thanks also WT,patience things get better with time. grin
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« Reply #1103 on: Apr 26th, 2008, 6:17pm »

An army of drones, spread out in a grid.
Invisible void of infrared,
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« Reply #1104 on: Apr 26th, 2008, 9:57pm »

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Nice, It sounds like Haiku!
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« Reply #1105 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 04:46am »

I agree with you wholeheartedly EndZone. Thats why I bring you and all my brothers and sisters good news. Now there is no reason for Ms.Linda to hold on to the pictures for fear of ridicule. OMF members 45 lettes and magicbar have jointly declared the TY photo authentic!
Why debate? This is press material for a news conference, exopolitics even. Why bother with annoying wranglings and commentary from the naysayers. Lord have mercy, we all have heard enough from them. This is proof positive that something was reversed engineered or, hopefully..THEY ARE HERE!.
I would encourage everyone here to email, or visit and insist OMF go on record THEY ARE REAL, like Linda has. Poor girl subjected all this time to such abuse and calumny, don't you think? She deserves an apology with a capital A. Well, she can come out and show us now! the proof times eleven more photos that will put the nail in real good. I know NBC and all those newspapers wouldn't waste a second looking at this now. Even Drudge report. Perhaps I should report this there too, what do you think? Lets get this finding out there!
So lets keep them in our prayers, and tell them to be brave, because the Truth shall prevail! Oh yes it will smiley
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Today at 7:08am, 45letters wrotetonguelease for the sake of photographers just-learning optical issues, let me explain:

First off-
The barrel distortion here is obvious, as you can see the edges of the montage are *CURVED*. This is how to line up panoramic photos that have barrel distortion. In fact, its about the only way to do just that. Notice the paste up does not have regular rectangles used. If the montage lined up all the trees *without* having to correct for this, it would indicate no barrel distortion.

Secondly-
Notice in the animation how the drone seems to "jump out" at the viewer. This is another phenomenon called "depth-of-field". see: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/depth-of-field.htm This was discussed earlier in the moon-eclipse issue, and how to determine how close a blurry object might be. While in this case, it does not cause blurriness, it does cause depth-of-field distortion. This is most likely directly caused by cameras with an "auto-focus", "auto-contrast", or "auto-white balance" enabled. What happens is in order to correct for brightness and exposure length, the f-stop on the lens is opened or closed. Higher f-stop values cause objects to be "pulled" towards infinity, or the horizon. Lower f-stop values cause far away objects to look closer than they appear. Ever hear that phrase? Its because its in most car side-view mirrors have fisheye distortion, and indirectly cause an effect very similar to what happens in a camera when the f-stop is lowered. So why the large jump of the drone? There is a large jump with the aperture time and focal length. I can also tell you this dramatic jump is neither abnormal or uncommon; conversly it is a frequent occurrence when this happens, and should happen with real cameras.

Thirdly-
The barrel and depth-of-field distortion is not only displayed in the trees, but also the drone. Basically what this means, is that the trees can be determined to be authentic and from a real photo based on the fact this distortion is present. Because this same distortion is also found to be affecting the drones in the photos, similarly, it would be found the drones also are from a real photograph.

finally-
This leaves two possibilities.
(1) The distortion is authentic and the photos are also authentic.
(2) Original photos of trees were taken with *NO DISTORTION*. The drones were placed as CGI in the photo. Then artificial distortion was added to make the entire set of photos appear real.

conclusion-
I will mention we can eliminate (2) as a possibility for a few reasons. In order to create a set of originals with no distortion, a very expensive lens is required. While most may argue the size and scope of this would cost as a hoax, as a whole, we must exclude cost as a factor, as we do not know if the forces behind a hoax, it may not be an issue. However, with an expensive lens, which normally work with expensive cameras, and not the ones mentioned Ty might have; we would have far superior pictures to these. Not only in resolution, but in contrast values, far less bleaching, less pixelation and aliasing, etc... It is obvious the quality of what these originals would have to derive from without distortion, would be much different than what we have... even if the pictures passed through 15 re-encoders on the jpeg - and the original resolution was dropped way down. Also digitally correcting for barrel distortion leaves obvious artifacts in the encoding, which I have not found. (all digital artifacts are in cubic squares, which is normal.)((otherwise the digital artifacts would have the same barrel distortion, which they don't.)) On a last note, I am not familiar with any filter/plugin/digital correction that will fix for depth-of-field distortions, with the exception of a de-blur for out-of-field objects. (there is no correction for distance distortion)

OK, that throws down the gauntlet. Conclusion: one photo labeled as authentic. Anyone challenging the analysis? Not challenging the direction and tone of the argument, what I mean is that I'm talking specific challenges to the arguments that have been made in the post by 45letters.
Given the import of the claim, I think that this deserves it's own thread in the great Ty debate. "





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« Reply #1106 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 06:03am »

I was just thinking if there could be a link between Google and all this drone stuff. What if they wanted to find about something. They have the means. Didn't they set an award for the first photo of the apollo landing site? And they want to go to the Mars with the Virgle project. Google surrounds some kind of mystery, don't you think?

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« Reply #1107 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 1:59pm »

We have always pointed to the Big Basin Photos as the most likely to be real or super CG. We did this at OMF where we were labeled everything under the sun. The point is that our little group has accepted this for almost a year and has used that time to move forward on the implications, motivations and methods associated with this device. Debate for egos sake is always foolish and now many will learn it has used up precious time. Time is a luxury this human society is running out of and there are those who are here to watch the final curtain. Now debate all you want forums and listen to self assured skeptics and CG self proclaimed experts. We have never mentioned our backgrounds or our basic goals because we have been at work while keeping the Drones alive. Some will understand what we mean others, well we don't care. Just remember we are almost a year ahead.
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« Reply #1108 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 4:34pm »

on Apr 24th, 2008, 8:47pm, endzone wrote:
Wow it got quiet in here. Come on folks there is plenty of new info coming out to talk about. Speak up! tongue

on Apr 24th, 2008, 10:00pm, Truether wrote:
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Yet again I inadvertently find myself agreeing IC…..

To be honest though Endzone, I’m sick of voicing my opinion then having to spend the next two pages defending it. Also (and of course in my opinion) the last witness account is the same as all the other nameless and faceless witness accounts in that as real as it may be, it could also just as easily be a hoax, especially since the media have brought the Drone enigma to light and thrust it into the public consciousness.

Don’t get me wrong, this is only a good thing but it also inevitably means any new witnesses could just as easily be regurgitating information as recalling a personal experience, again it probably says more about me but the recent witness (NUFORC) report just didn’t feel right, especially:

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I have never seen anything like this before and am quite disturbed, I hope it is somthing [sic] military or some kind of projected image.

Seems like what someone would assume we wanted to hear, especially the conjecture about the military (a la UFO Hunters) and the projection (a la Isaac docs, i.e. *image recorder/projector*) just a little too good to be true and also seems like what someone who has quickly browsed the previous images/documents would come up with.

An Elvis lyric springs to mind:

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Let's don't let a good thing die……
We can’t go on together,
With suspicious minds.” grin

Also Endzone I’m genuinely pleased to see you’ve been accepted back into the ranks and had your privileges restored although I fear this may bring an untimely end to your brief sojourn with us as already stated by Shads for whom it seems the aforementioned is entirely applicable, but regardless I’m pleased to see the hatchet is buried (and for a change not in each others backs…..)
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« Reply #1109 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 4:44pm »

on Apr 27th, 2008, 1:59pm, Truether wrote:
We have always pointed to the Big Basin Photos as the most likely to be real or super CG. We did this at OMF where we were labeled everything under the sun. The point is that our little group has accepted this for almost a year and has used that time to move forward on the implications, motivations and methods associated with this device. Debate for egos sake is always foolish and now many will learn it has used up precious time. Time is a luxury this human society is running out of and there are those who are here to watch the final curtain. Now debate all you want forums and listen to self assured skeptics and CG self proclaimed experts. We have never mentioned our backgrounds or our basic goals because we have been at work while keeping the Drones alive. Some will understand what we mean others, well we don't care. Just remember we are almost a year ahead.
Be seeing you in time (a big clue)
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IC, I also agree with you regarding the fact that it doesn’t matter whether or not they are CGI, but probably for entirely different reasons, I too believe that the origination of the Drones is irrelevant as are the ensuing arguments as to which particular anomaly bolsters whoever’s particular hypothesis, unfortunately it appears this is a necessary evil. This rings true especially in this new, “Information age” which the majority have been thrust into and it appears all have subsequently embraced.

If I’m being 100% honest and if they are eventually proved to be a hoax, while the reasoning and motivations still intrigue me to a point, I feel that I’ve learned more from and about others than anyone has learned or could learn from me. Even if entirely from a pathological and sociological perspective there’s no denying it has been a steep learning curve that I believe stands me in good stead, or at the very least better equipped for any future endeavours, whether UFO related or otherwise.

I say this because as much as I’ve personally questioned others regarding their implications of their belief and personal intent, it’s nowhere near as much as I’ve been forced to question my own beliefs and the circumstances and environments which ultimately caused me to arrive at and accept them as such. In fact this introspective journey has been a surprising and welcome one, again purely from a somewhat selfish and certainly personal perspective as unfortunately I have no group which to share my most profound musings and no solace to be found except my own.

Having said that I speak entirely from a, “Real world” perspective as there are undoubtedly many friends, cohorts, agitators and acquaintances that I’ve been privileged to encounter on the many forums and groups I frequent, a small number of whom I trust a great deal more than the majority of people I casually encounter in the real world, perhaps the most surprising revelation of all is that your *group* is among the minority that I’m inclined to trust.

So regarding your, “Year ahead” I feel that applying your rationale to my circumstances then you are probably 3 or 4 months ahead, because regardless of our respective and differing beliefs I feel that they are inextricably linked to the others as well as the shared and dubious ability to emotionally detach oneself from the *scene* and step back and view the frenzied analysis and increasingly biased appraisals from both sides. And in doing so to TRULY appreciate the devastating and polarizing effects that the Drones continue to exert on perceptions, ideals and behaviours, and once recognised then it is most certainly a thing of beauty and one that commands a begrudged respect, one that is beheld irrespective of original motivations and any final conclusions. For all those involved in any depth (discounting the superfluous observers) then there is a line that can be drew in their personal experience, however faint that line may be. And it is simply before they knew of the Drones and after they knew.


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