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« Reply #1110 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 5:24pm »

Well I liked the rant so no apologies required from me wink

I feel much the way you do Dr.

I am thankful for the drones...they brought the community together, and unfortunately it has also divided us as well.

It is a polarizing phenomena, these drones, and it has achieved the myth status that was most likely the desired affect. The credit of the term myth status goes to a member here, one who on face value was hard to understand, but scratch the surface, and the insight was something very valuable.

My opinion is well known...the photos are bogus, but even if they are, I am in awe of the fantastic work done by all in the community.

If they are real, it does not change the way I feel about this.
My opinion is that there is a phenomena occurring, so I would not exactly be shocked.

We were targeted perhaps, and I think we rose to the challenge.

I would like to see an outcome to this story, but I am not so sure we ever will.

Does it even matter? I don't think it does.....our level of thinking has been raised, and that's a good thing.

Now I know that many here will disagree with me on this point...some think that disclosure needs to happen no matter what.

But it has been happening, although not the way many here and there desire

You can't force the masses to believe in God or drones, or UFO's...one must come to it on their own.

Proof for me is not proof for you, and it will be this way with the masses as well.

Whether the drones are real or not, it has still been a good ride, with good friends, friends I would not have had, without the appearance of these things.

I am so tired of debating real vs hoax...I no longer care....and I resolve, at least I am really going to try to stay out of the debate going forward.

I may make some comments but will do my best to remain calm , cool and collected.

I am going to try really hard to ignore cheap shots taken at those I consider colleagues, from those i consider collegues

The quest for what the truth of the drones are....real or not must be taken, but we should all try to remember that journey to our destination is just as rewarding as the destination itself.
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« Reply #1111 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 6:12pm »

on Apr 27th, 2008, 5:24pm, murnut wrote:
Well I liked the rant so no apologies required from me wink

I feel much the way you do Dr.

I am thankful for the drones...they brought the community together, and unfortunately it has also divided us as well.

It is a polarizing phenomena, these drones, and it has achieved the myth status that was most likely the desired affect. The credit of the term myth status goes to a member here, one who on face value was hard to understand, but scratch the surface, and the insight was something very valuable.

My opinion is well known...the photos are bogus, but even if they are, I am in awe of the fantastic work done by all in the community.

If they are real, it does not change the way I feel about this.
My opinion is that there is a phenomena occurring, so I would not exactly be shocked.

We were targeted perhaps, and I think we rose to the challenge.

I would like to see an outcome to this story, but I am not so sure we ever will.

Does it even matter? I don't think it does.....our level of thinking has been raised, and that's a good thing.

Now I know that many here will disagree with me on this point...some think that disclosure needs to happen no matter what.

But it has been happening, although not the way many here and there desire

You can't force the masses to believe in God or drones, or UFO's...one must come to it on their own.

Proof for me is not proof for you, and it will be this way with the masses as well.

Whether the drones are real or not, it has still been a good ride, with good friends, friends I would not have had, without the appearance of these things.

I am so tired of debating real vs hoax...I no longer care....and I resolve, at least I am really going to try to stay out of the debate going forward.

I may make some comments but will do my best to remain calm , cool and collected.

I am going to try really hard to ignore cheap shots taken at those I consider colleagues, from those i consider collegues

The quest for what the truth of the drones are....real or not must be taken, but we should all try to remember that journey to our destination is just as rewarding as the destination itself.


Hear, hear!

But I hate to see you stay out of the debate...
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« Reply #1112 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 6:13pm »

This is what we can put on the table now.

Big Basin Drone: If CG, the skinning of the model and the detail is there to be seen CLOSE UP.

The Drone appears to have ware and age, possibly broken areas, maybe even repairs!

Has the paint worn off in some areas revealing GOLD plating!

The Drone exhibits the optical distortion that would come from focal length, aperture, Delth of field.

There is much more detail than is necessary for a convincing model!

Different elements seem slightly out of place from photo to photo as if they moved on their own with different rotations, very subtle and why bother with it?

The texturing, if not a real surface, of the Drone is just fantastic in detail.

The Isaac like diagrams seem distorted to fit their surface in a strange way seeming to fit Isaac's info.

It even seems as if this Drone has hastily done repairs and quick fixes. Patched here and there.

The various parts of the Drone are very similar in design to a particle accelerator and appear to be loosely connected by a force instead of mechanical connections. Once again this hints of Isaac.

To texture a CG model is IMO more difficult than to construct the polygon model. The BB Drone is completely believable from its surface appearance. The device is not in pristine shape.

Now just who went to all this trouble for a laugh, or is this thing an actual device or optical manifestation of some sort.

The longer it hangs around the more questions come up.

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« Reply #1113 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 6:33pm »

on Apr 27th, 2008, 5:24pm, murnut wrote:
Now I know that many here will disagree with me on this point...some think that disclosure needs to happen no matter what.

But it has been happening, although not the way many here and there desire

You can't force the masses to believe in God or drones, or UFO's...one must come to it on their own.

Proof for me is not proof for you, and it will be this way with the masses as well.

Whether the drones are real or not, it has still been a good ride, with good friends, friends I would not have had, without the appearance of these things.

I am so tired of debating real vs hoax...I no longer care....and I resolve, at least I am really going to try to stay out of the debate going forward.

I may make some comments but will do my best to remain calm , cool and collected.

I am going to try really hard to ignore cheap shots taken at those I consider colleagues, from those i consider collegues
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Thanks for the kind words Mur (again!!)

I agree with you about disclosure, well sort of, Iíve always felt that way and last year I (on this forum) I wrote:

on Oct 24th, 2007, 5:19pm, DrDil wrote:
Iím not shouting for scientific study, Iím not even shouting for disclosure!! I respect those who actively pursue it and they are to be commended, but I have no such goal, partly because Iím very small plankton in a vast ocean that isnít capable of creating a ripple, much less a wave. But mostly because I love the subject, I love all of itís fringe groups, all of the skeptics, I hardly ever agree with them but what can I say, I guess Iím just a sucker for UFOís and all of the paraphernalia that comes with them!! Disclosure or not, Iíll still be interested.

It would be great if the world government/s were honest about what they know but itís no great passion of mine to see it realised, Iím sure it would be appropriately diluted to a socially and culturally accepted standard long before the public ever heard about it. Even if it were seen first hand via the media I feel confident in the inherently corrupt world powers to taint the perception of the people to such an extent as to render the event powerless or at least put enough of a spin on the event so as to mislead the public and turn it into to a personal gain for themselves rather than a collective one for the people.

In fact the only time I have disagreed with you was regarding Salad and a certain ex-member being in cahoots, and I also told you this at the time. To your credit you publicly apologised and incidentally I thought the entire episode was hilarious!! (In a good way). grin

I know exactly what you mean about the, ďColleaguesĒ and I even had a post typed up in reply to the comment/s you are referencing but thought better of it. Firstly as there was obviously no resolution possible and secondly as Iím a mod here I couldnít really ask members of another forum to chill out, especially so when both you and I were part of the group in question!!

Viva la ARC!! wink
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« Reply #1114 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 6:54pm »

Truether,
I still have this nagging suspicion that this has been a very well perpetrated hoax by a very brilliant group of engineering students from one of the major colleges like MIT. I think its meant to show that those with very real beliefs are fools. Its mean spirited and they are laughing at us every day. It is just my opinion of course but this would NOT be the first time it has been tried. This time I think the planning was much better and with very good execution. Of course this is just opinion but I have spent hours looking and researching everything I could get my hands on and its what I believe to be true.
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« Reply #1115 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 7:01pm »

Marvin,

I will still be in the debate, just trying to take the emotional factor out.

Tru,

Good points as always....the BB drone is worn, yet the others appear brand new...interesting...maybe someone was learning?

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« Reply #1116 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 7:03pm »

To All,
Of course, Like everyone has said here...Only Time Will Tell!!!!
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« Reply #1117 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 8:46pm »

All completely valid points as to The Drones. The other Drones do look new in comparison to the BB Drone. It was surprising to find recently that on the other Drones the lettering is even on the small blades and appears to be extensive lettering at that. Not easy from a texturing standpoint. Can the Drones ever be resolved as to their origin, probably not. Are they more metaphysical than physical! Are the Drones the winged serpents of the past come to oversee 2012! Is the BB Drone as ancient as it appears! My research shows me that so far no one has come up with the answer. These things strike a note with me that is like an old memory. They seem familiar as if they had always been just around the corner always moving away before you could get a better look. I will never be satisfied with a mundane explanation because there is nothing mundane about them.
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« Reply #1118 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 10:58pm »

on Apr 25th, 2008, 1:45pm, WT wrote:
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I don't have the time to read all of the discussions in here right now, but I've just stumbled over this view on Google maps.
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Hi Guyz,
my Lord we almost have a quorum here for an ARC meeting cheesy
Kudos on the great posts too. I have a question for WT, I researched your research and find your ideas intriguing, particularly the last one. Many MSN multemidia stocks are based on generation of ufo events, and when stocks and investors are considered you will find many within the circles either make strange bedfellows, or take certain initiatives upon themsleves. Google of course is the prime recipient of traffic, irrespective of sides. The more controversey the better.
traffic breeds bandwith demand, equipment changes, etc, and everyone can feed in the waterhole. In a way, it is the waterhole. IMO.

My question is when you posted the googleview I went and got it too from several angles after Dr.Dil posted it at ATS.
was there something in particular you were looking at, the trees, landscape, telephone power pole etc, that we were supposed to be looking at, that was related to the Caret Pix.?
Thanx

Truether, I thought the invasion was 2023 not 2012, how did it get moved up? what will whiltley do, his movie comes out 2010. what will he do with next 2 years? I hope he's not in league with them. jk smiley

I read somewhere the name associated with Tony sova , (under another pseudonym)as part of a vegan essene and slightly libertine group. He had left a rather bizarre morman hybrid cult that collapsed.
Order of the Nazorean Essenes (ONE)
I know reader will love that (we are one)
The essene group combined every religion from buddhism, , christianity, etc. lots of text, but few symbols and grafx to go by. Some how this group also has some alex crowley stuff in there too.I know truether can analyze that one. google, has not been too helpful, but its all we have. Anyway, just bizarre googl results, that tell little, but interesting to peek into.
I hope I find a better search engine.
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« Reply #1119 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 11:48pm »

on Apr 27th, 2008, 6:13pm, Truether wrote:
It even seems as if this Drone has hastily done repairs and quick fixes. Patched here and there.


Hi,

Would you point that out with an illustration please. I would really like to see the evidence of repairs or patches.

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Truether, I thought the invasion was 2023 not 2012, how did it get moved up? what will whiltley do, his movie comes out 2010. what will he do with next 2 years? I hope he's not in league with them. jk


Our belief is 2012 - 2023 - 2068: These could be very significant dates. 2012 through 2068 = close of this eon
2023 = the closing of the gate (invasion, impact, ?) something big. 2068 = The next eon begins. No need to live in fear, just watch for yourself.

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Would you point that out with an illustration please. I would really like to see the evidence of repairs or patches.


Yes we will, just give us time.
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« Reply #1121 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 10:55am »

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These are wise words in my opinion....

I have to say...I look forward to your posts, and I miss you....you know where wink
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« Reply #1122 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 11:22am »

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Would you point that out with an illustration please. I would really like to see the evidence of repairs or patches.


Small graphic at our Blog on this now, just suggestions, no absolute proof. Take a look and then think about a CG artist doing all this and expecting someone to look so close. It is possible, but why!!! The closer one looks the more you see. Not true of all the Drones.
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« Reply #1123 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 12:00pm »

on Apr 28th, 2008, 11:22am, Truether wrote:
Small graphic at our Blog on this now, just suggestions, no absolute proof. Take a look and then think about a CG artist doing all this and expecting someone to look so close. It is possible, but why!!! The closer one looks the more you see. Not true of all the Drones.
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Thanks for posting the illustration. I have to disagree about the repairs though. I see no reason why those two items (the part on top of the large wing/arm and the wires that connects to it) can't be a normal part of the drone. What was it about those items that suggested to you they were a repair?

The spotty dirty reddish brown that you call "worn plating" is interesting. Could it be rust?

I agree with you 100% about the detail being way too much for a cgi artist and for what, kicks? Salad's drone had very little detail (but let's not go into Salad tossing).
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« Reply #1124 on: Apr 28th, 2008, 12:41pm »

Even though we have looked at this thing for months the detail is mind blowing. The "repairs" seem to be so different in design and seem like additions or adjustments or repairs only because of their different feel. Yes the coloration could be rust, also some parts that are repeated seem to be "bent" or slightly different. The two diagrams that you can see are also not the same. Since we have made Drone models and textured them, we know the difficulties in "skinning a model" especially a model that must have a mechanical look to its surface. We are working on showing this on the Blog. I am not suggesting a conclusion, but I see another site rushing to a CG explanation to finish the Drones off. I believe they are hasty in expecting to have a group of "experts" who can pass judgment on an image being CG. This is ridiculous. I suggest anyone truly interested in the Drones really keep an open mind. Think, why has so much effort gone into burying this as nothing but common CG. The Big Basin Drone is not common CG and a real expert would agree with that from the texturing and diffuse maps alone. Be honest and think, when have you seen anything like this in a movie special effect! CG or real, the question remains, why!
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