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« Reply #1155 on: May 7th, 2008, 03:04am »

Things were going so well when I went to bed a couple of hours ago.

Never mindÖ..

IC I wouldnít even have broached the subject if you and yours hadnít first via your Blog, I was merely seeking clarification, you should know by now thatís what I (try to) do.

Indeed it is one of Levís images where he claimed to be the creator that spurred me to ask what I felt (and feel) was a valid question, Iíve seen ownership of the image in question claimed several times but never denied, until now of course.

ďSir LetttuceĒ may be a nickname you deem appropriate to apply to Kris, I donít but donít really see it as offensive. However thereís no reason to label Jeddyhi as you do and respectfully ask that you either refrain from mentioning him or call him by his chosen title. I canít stress enough this has nothing to do with what whoever believes but rather a sign of respect, whether you actually respect him or not is besides the point it simply isnít fair to label a poster with derogatory names, especially so when they arenít a member here and able to defend themselves.

I would say the same about anything I perceive as a slight on any other member of any forum including this one and I think you know this.

@ Truether & Teachers Pet: I consider you both friends and would hate to see this discussion continue to go the way it is, I know that you are both very strong personalities and respect both of your opinions, I have come to you both enough times seeking them for you to know this is the truth.

This thread isnít going to follow the path that many others have if I can at all prevent it. Personality clashes are fine as are differing opinions and beliefs, thatís not what this is about.

Truether/IC, everything Iíve wrote (and will write) isnít personal and I trust your judgement in discerning this, can we please try and stay loosely on topic, your continued input and cooperation is greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #1156 on: May 7th, 2008, 09:31am »

The rules to test anything are based on human perceptions and nothing else. "Expertise" is assigned by one human to another human and therefore is based on that same human perception and bias. Your perception of us is of absolutely no consequence to anything. Just ignore us, for it is your only path to follow. We do not have the time to play in your playground and will not. Conversation is closed.
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« Reply #1157 on: May 7th, 2008, 09:39am »

IceDragon, you have described the situation perfectly. We will not be dictated to by anyone. I do not ask any to believe my way. The dictate of an "expert" is against the very idea of expertise and speaks of the ego of the "expert" more that the subject of the expertise. To think that any individual can declare a photo a fake with 100% accuracy is foolish and shows the personal desire of the person accepting the dictate of the expert and nothing else.
The next hit will be directed at the images and diagrams in the Isaac account.
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« Reply #1158 on: May 7th, 2008, 5:55pm »

OMF/DRT New Drone Witness Account Ė Posted On 5th May By OTF

Source: OMF Ė Brent From WA

(OnTheFence Report)

A new 2007 drone eye-witness from Camas Washington came forward after seeing the recent FOX interview. Brent contacted the private investigators and I followed up by telephone and email for the last 6 weeks to gather his report. By the release of this report, it is the intention of DRT to help other such witnesses feel comfortable to come froward.

Witnesses can contact us (OMF/DRT) at droneswitness@gmail.com

This report is available as a PDF here. OVNIS-USA.com)

Report information:
  • Witness: Brent
  • Reporter: DRT Member
  • Date of report: Friday March 21, 2008 6:00 EST
  • Method: Over telephone with email follow-ups
  • Initial contact method: Brent wrote to the Private Investigators hired by the DRT.
  • Initial contact reason: Brent saw a FOX TV interview posted on the Comcast.net web news portal with pictures of craft similar to his sighting.

Sighting information:
  • Date of sighting:Thursday June 7, 2007
  • Time of sighting: Before dusk
  • Weather conditions: Sunny clear
  • Location: Camas Washington, USA

Object details:
  • Colour: It had a gold or brass colour, reflecting sunlight.
  • Sound: It made sound something like TV off air and static.
  • Movement: It took off easterly direction. It stopped and rotated. The long fin was the leading direction.
  • Shape: There was no place for occupants.It was bigger than Brent's car, estimate 40 ft long. It did not have much thickness, narrow, maybe 4-5"; thick. It had an opening in center.
  • Other details: There appeared to be windings like on a motor.
    It had some sort of antenna arrangement on the top as can be seen in Brent's painting. It appeared to be malfunctioning. It stopped about 150 yards away from Brent when he was looking at it. He
    said that he felt it knew he was looking at it.

Sighting details:
  • Other interesting notes: Emergency vehicles were heading West in the direction that the object came from, while object was heading East.
  • Follow-up: Brent could not find any news about the emergency vehicle commotion in any of the papers. He checked The Oregonian, The Vancouver, and the local Camas newspaper.
  • Other witnesses: Brent's friend is located 2 miles away saw the same object. It appeared like it had two gold coloured lights, but may have actually been sunlight reflecting on the appendages.


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This following is a testimonial report from Brent written in March 2008.

How does one go about telling his friends and family, that for the past year that you thought you had ";gone around the bend"; so to speak. I guess that you don't. Well' I didn't anyway. What made me change my mind about a week ago? I finally have someone that can verify my story. No, I have 5 different people with stories similar to my story, and thank God that they were together enough to think to grab their cameras and snap some photographs. Me, being a complete and utter idiot, I was too taken in by the thing to even think about the camera that was in my glove box. I was just too freaked out, and I suppose that I went into some kind of shock.

Here's how things unfolded. I was returning from down town Camas, and as I'm coming up the hill a couple of police cars went blazing by me with their blue lights going, and sirens blaring. I really didn't think anything of it and I pulled back out into the road and proceeded about another quarter of a mile.
Next thing you know as I'm rounding the corner coming up to the intersection of Lake Road and Northeast Everett Street, here comes another couple of police vehicles, as well as a fire truck and a couple of emergency rescue vehicles as well. I pull over and they go tearing by. I'm thinking, it has to have been a really bad accident, so I pull out onto the street and get into the left hand turn lane off Everett, to turn onto Lake Road and 3 more police cars went tearing by. Well my buddy lives right up the road on the left and they weren't stopping there so I got a left turn arrow and proceeded up the hill.

It was a fairly nice day out that day and it was approaching dusk and as I am going up the hill, I kept looking down toward the lake to see if I could see whether or not the police and crew were headed up Ledbetter road along the lake front. I didn't see them the whole length of the lake on Ledbetter. So as I'm almost to the top of the hill, I noticed what seemed like faint static coming over my stereo, and realizing that I had a CD playing, I pushed the eject button. The CD popped out and the static continued, so I turned the volume down, but I could still hear this static crackling sound and it was very loud. I had the sunroof tilted up like always so I could hear a little wind noise, Therefore I was thinking that I had run over a branch or something similar, and I was dragging it down the road, or something to that effect. I rolled down my driver's side window and the passenger window and noticed that it was getting louder and seemed to be coming from the right side of my car.

I'm going fairly slow by this point and I'm almost to the top of the hill and although I was slowing the car down, the sound kept getting more and more intense, that's when I saw what I would first describe in my mind as a very thin helicopter, coming toward me, like the kind that I've seen them use in Ariel Logging operations. As this thing came closer and it was very close to where I was, I would say within 150 or so yards away from where I had stopped my car, and this thing was about level with my window as it was above the Lacamas Lake just beyond where Lake Road meets Northwest Sierra Street. An excellent view of Lacamas Shores and this craft.

I very soon realized that this thing that I was seeing wasn't anything like I had ever witnessed in my life, I got goose bumps all over and it was at that moment that I knew, we are definitely not alone, and all I could do was stare, with my mouth wide open in awe. I stood there leaning on my car with a nice Olympus Digital Camera in my glove box and I'm sitting there having a close encounter and I don't even think about it, I just froze. There wasn't a person or a car in sight, it was eerie quiet, because I thought if someone else would acknowledge this thing I would know that I'm not having some sort of Acid flashback but there wasn't a car, motorcycle, no joggers, bicycles nothing. This thing stopped straight out to my right over the lake. The body of it looked as if it were white and gold and the thing that kept coming to mind was the windings on a transformer.

It looked like a bunch of windings bound together by large white like collars that actually rotated when the thing turned and zipped off. I actually felt like this thing was aware of me and that it wasn't all to happy with me for observing it, but it appeared to be malfunctioning wherein the noise was like crackling static, and as it made these noises as crazy as this sounds, the thing seemed like it kind of twitched. As the arms on this thing rotated it did so without tilting or moving vertical at all. It spun around on a perfect axis and it was gone in a couple of flicks. The thing moved to the East very fast, and the first thing that came to mind for me was that this thing was headed right up towards Bonneville Dam.

Needless to say, after all the emergency vehicles went by my friend Tim's place, (he lives on Everett Street) he came out into the yard and was smoking a cigarette and he saw and heard this as well. Same static sound and his view of it he said that it appeared to be illuminated on the blades/wings facing forward, he thought it was a helicopter a well at first but the noise it made gave it away. No typical mechanical acceleration sounds, no thrust sounds, just static.


The reason I say that is because (you'll think I'm nuts) the first one actually seemed like it was aware that I was looking at it, and it knew that wasn't good. I don't know why, I just know I could feel it. Also, just prior to this craft began moving along, I could smell what seemed like ozone, or even a burning circuit board.

The down side to this whole sighting has been the huge emotional part of it. I was raised to believe in God and the bible and all of the trimmings. I went to a Catholic school and have been a God fearing creature for most of my life. This sighting has had a profound effect on my ability to negotiate moving around outside without staring up into the sky.



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« Reply #1159 on: May 7th, 2008, 5:55pm »

For full size images please click here to visit the original thread at OMF.


Paintings by Brent

This is an abstract Of one of the originals paintings I did of it, I put lightning down through the center, and then lacquered it in paint shop pro, and got this:
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This is what I painted 5 minutes after I saw it with my airbrush in my garage:
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This is again what I painted right after I saw the thing, note the lightning. I didn't see that; I could feel it though. The top two images are are Brent's drawings of his friends description:
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Map of account by Brent
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Similarity to existing drone craft
After asking Brent to describe which of the existing drone craft images his object looked like, he had the following to say relating it to one of the images from the Isaac inventory photograph:
"It was very much like what you see below; at least the body of it was. It brings to mind the windings on a transformer."

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This report is available as a PDF here

(OVNIS-USA.com)
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« Reply #1160 on: May 7th, 2008, 6:33pm »

Brent, very nice art and a good eye for stylizing your work. I for one accept your post. Do not fear the "experts" they fade while the Drones are here to stay. Keep your mind open and your eyes wide open. The show is just beginning and it will be free.
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« Reply #1161 on: May 7th, 2008, 9:22pm »

DrDil,

I was simply trying to point out the fact that (on this board) if someone like you or Latitude or many many others have a point to prove it usually is accompanied with a picture. Typically there would be the object in question and some circles, pointed arrows, zoom-ins etc
With the aforementioned "experts" all we have is their opinion without any... anything, really.

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« Reply #1162 on: May 7th, 2008, 10:12pm »

ABSstore, I hope you are not apologizing for being correct. The "experts" only have to say it is fake and, in their opinions, all should believe. If you do not buy this ego tripping, then you are in the right. You are perfectly capable of forming your on opinion and beliefs about this Drone saga and you have every right to stick to it.
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« Reply #1163 on: May 8th, 2008, 02:46am »

on May 7th, 2008, 9:22pm, ABCStore wrote:
DrDil,

I was simply trying to point out the fact that (on this board) if someone like you or Latitude or many many others have a point to prove it usually is accompanied with a picture. Typically there would be the object in question and some circles, pointed arrows, zoom-ins etc
With the aforementioned "experts" all we have is their opinion without any... anything, really.

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Hi ABCS, I knew what you meant and I was saying any expert testimony is pointless anyway!!

on May 6th, 2008, 8:30pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi ABC smiley,

Iím unsure of what you require, if the experts were to replicate the Drones, it doesnít mean they are replicates, does it?

Allow me to play devils advocate, if they can prove the original Drone images are CGI then what about the (nearly into double figures now) subsequent Drone witnesses?

The ones without images?

I believe your reasoning is somewhat circular in this respect, what do you think?

What I was trying to say is the reality of the Drone images is practically irrelevant to most by any experts standards as thereís so much more you have to discount as well as a couple of highlighted errors, which as you say havenít been specifically highlighted anyway, I wasnít talking about *what* but rather *whatís the point?*

Or more importantly that any testimony would be viewed subjectively and as such wouldnít prove anything either way.
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« Reply #1164 on: May 8th, 2008, 2:31pm »

DrDil, you might want to kill me for this...going astray..

If we rely on time as a constant, we might be surprised.

As it seems, time relates to gravity, and therefor cannot be a reliable measurement of the speed of light.

If we rely on the time factor, we sure have to re-write our textbooks.

I'm sure we are on a gateway of our conception of how time works.

If light can be bent while travelling close to vast gravity as black holes, it is highly likely that time undergoes this as well. If this is evident, the time of light (measured in the gravitatonal field of the Earth) might not be consistant with the time measured in space and therefor are not the same.

That will leave a measurement deviance, maybe not much, but if calculated by lightyears some difference has to be made possible, and has great impact on the standard calculations made by astronomers.

We sure do not know what really goes on in the cosmic universe!

If time is subject to being bent, we sure can expect anomalies in the future...!

(Here it's relavant...if the drones make use of exactly that!?)

http://www.space-time.info/
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http://astro.uwaterloo.ca/~wesson/#PUB
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http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/space-time
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http://www.spacetoday.org/Time/TimeExplained.html
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/relativ.htm

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« Reply #1165 on: May 8th, 2008, 4:03pm »

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We sure do not know what really goes on in the cosmic universe!

Especially the "experts".
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« Reply #1166 on: May 8th, 2008, 4:44pm »

on May 8th, 2008, 2:31pm, VonStern wrote:
If light can be bent while travelling close to vast gravity as black holes, it is highly likely that time undergoes this as well. If this is evident, the time of light (measured in the gravitatonal field of the Earth) might not be consistant with the time measured in space and therefor are not the same.

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Hi VonStern!! smiley

Great post as usual. wink

I seen something recently that I thought may interest you and is somewhat pertinent to your comment, its by a couple of astrophysicists (Jeff Silvis and Mark Kowitt). It leans more towards questioning whether time would be the same in a different universe rather than distorting time in the current one, anyway thought you may find it interesting, I did!!

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There are a handful of constants that shape physics. The three main fundamental constants that we measure but at this point cannot be determined are:

c - this is the speed of light, it is important in electricity, magnetism and the conversion of matter to energy.

h - this is Planck's constant, it is important in atomic and nuclear physics

G - this is the universe gravitational constant, it holds planets in their orbits and determines the large scale structure of the universe.

We have no theory of why the values of c, h, and G are what they are. This begs the question of why they have the values they do, and what the universe might have looked like were they (and other constants like the mass of an electron) different. It turns out you can't change these values much without making life-as-we-know-it impossible. Such consideration has led to several variations of "Anthropic Principle."

These constants reflect fundamental characteristics of space and the quantum mechanical vacuum. In the General Theory of Relativity, for example, G represents the response of space to mass, and therefore is intimately connected with the fabric of space. While G reflects the global, large-scale character of space, Planck's constant, h, reflects the nature of space on atomic scales as it is expressed in the parameters characterizing subatomic particles and photons (energy levels, angular momentum, linear momentum) and the waves associated with matter. The speed of light in a vacuum, c, is the limiting velocity of matter through space and the characteristic velocity of energy through space, and thus reflects, on the one hand, the resistance of space to acceleration (the drag of the vacuum), and, on the other hand, the density of the vacuum, in the same sense that the speed of sound reflects the density of the medium through which acoustical waves travel.

In short, the only way these constants could really be different would be if the characteristics of space were different. I've addressed space and not time here, but it is likely that, based on the same theories mentioned above, the fundamental nature of the time component of spacetime would have to be different if these constants were different. Since spacetime and matter-energy come to us together courtesy of the Big Bang and are in some fundamental sense inseparable, we can assume that G, h, and c could not be changed without re-engineering the birth of the universe which, if you buy the theories that point to near-critical density of matter-energy in the universe, all indicate that space, time, matter, and energy as we know them are inseparable from the three fundamental constants that characterize them. Although we cannot, at this point, alter these constants, one might wonder about how our universe would be different if these values were changed.

Also regarding black holes no-one has been able to unify them with quantum theory yet as this undoubtedly means thereís completely different *constants*. Although it has been hypothesised that when accounting for quantum theories itís more likely that black-holes instead of retaining matter forever are more likely to leak energy (in the form of thermal energy) but itís still a very cloudy area (especially so from my viewpoint!!) and I believe no-one as of yet has come up with a convincing possibility. But it would again completely alter our understanding of them and their effects as we currently accept them, obviously not the light distortion you referenced as this is a visible effect but the overall perception and understanding of black-holes would inevitably be altered.

Also regarding black-holes I know what you mean about the light distortion but does it not interest you more to know about the point of singularity? Where nothing exists, much less likely physics as we currently recognise and accept them, but again this hasnít included any of the current (and vague) quantum theories, still itís something I often think about.

But having said all that, even Einstein struggled with a unified theory that incorporated gravity nevermind also featuring quantum mechanics/theory which makes it all but impossible thanks to Plancks constant!! (Not that I understand any of this of course!! grin)

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« Reply #1167 on: May 8th, 2008, 5:23pm »

on May 8th, 2008, 4:44pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi VonStern!! smiley

Great post as usual. wink


Cheers!! smiley


Qoute cut by me for space savings..

Hi DrDil!

I almost knew this could trigger your sound sense! grin


I'm ofcourse aware of all theories based on "the big bang"...and to avoid any questions regarding this, I ofcourse also believe..hehe that there have been a beginning of our Universe.

Just how, is another matter. I do not wish to relive old knowledge, as I pressume anyone here (That have interest in this matter) is aware of fundamental physics of our cosmic environment.

If time is a measurement of all things passing, including light, we all rely and think that time is constant. It works well, if we use it here on earth. In the gravitational field of just that. When we look at time in space, it seems to be faster, than what is measured here on Earth. In the gravitational field of the Earth, time is constant and measurable in seconds, and micro - ditto. When expienced in space, free of gravitation...time appears to be faster.

The knowledge of this come from sattellites orbiting Earth.

Time has to be adjusted, so that it will be syncrone with "Earth Time" at every spin of the Earth.

Time is travelling faster in the empty space, than here on the Earth gravitational field.

If this is a constant, here, then time must be an inconsistance just like light...and be subject to abberation of all fields throughout our Universe.

The fabric of excactly that, makes way for much greater deviation of forces, that we until now relied on as stable.

Conclusion: Our Universe is much more unstable as we thought, and so are the ways we measure it as well.

It seems to me, and this is only my opinion, that the "Mandelbrot" equasion is much more consistant and reliable than what many physisists believe. One equasion...(Not neccesarily the MandelBrot) is likely to hold the entire information used to generate our entire Universe, much like the Human Genome. There probably has to be a "recipe" for all matter, making it behave the way it does. Much like a baking recipe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set
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http://www.math.utah.edu/~alfeld/math/mandelbrot/mandelbrot.html
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http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MandelbrotSet.html


Thanks, DrDil for the kind words..

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« Reply #1168 on: May 8th, 2008, 6:03pm »

I have a better memory than you think!! wink

on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:40pm, VonStern wrote:
In reply to RoH:

Infinite are a relation none here are able to grasp...if technology are interpeted as math, an ifinite are an option, therefore calculated in finite variabels, just as PI, 3,1415...etc...or, is this finite?

If working on this further, the Mandelbrot fraction comes in mind...is it finite, or infinite..?

Now, work on this..if you have the answer, please do tell... ? cheesy

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« Reply #1169 on: May 8th, 2008, 6:06pm »

on May 8th, 2008, 6:03pm, DrDil wrote:
I have a better memory than you think!! wink



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You never cease to amaze me!

Kudos to you, DrDil!! grin grin grin
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