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« Reply #1200 on: May 12th, 2008, 2:23pm »

on May 12th, 2008, 11:51am, Latitude wrote:
Sys,

I see you've launched a smear campaign against the witness. But the question is, what does any of that have to do with his sighting report?

Maybe you should post your real full name and see if we can dig up some dirt on you. Do you have any skeletons in the closet? shocked


Nice rant as usual and great avoiding the issues raised by my post. The posts are made to ascertain as best of possible whether the witness testimony can stand up to scrutiny or should we accept at face value everything put in our face .So far their is a problem with how he was able to distinguish sound of static in an accoustically soundproof Lexus. Late reporting, etc.
putting that aside we have to look at the persons history , is he a chronic ufo reporter, is he just a copycat, is he one can shy a sixpack, is there anything that can nail it that we have an above board witness to a real event that can be connected to caret or is at an isolated event. The DRt proposes its related.
so Lets look at whether this pattern he saw pre existed or is similar to Caret.
I would are the pattern based on the striker jpg pre existed, and a connection is made to caret only by the witnesses words that there were 5 other witnesses
..well given that is there anything, that would bolster or take away the good faith reporting presumption we tend to give everyone. I would argue that we REALLY need to question or even closer look, based on the Tanya Harding posts which shows a person ready willing and able to make their selves invisible, or play the system if need be for their own and others advantage and gain.
If thats the type of witness you want, thats great, but don't expect me or thers to buy that.
Don't denegrate others for researching and finding inconvenient facts or truths germane to veracity,thats what google is for.

You may call that a slur , but its his own words, that speak for themselves, and no one put them in his mouth, and are very much in context.Neither you nor I can change that however you and the others wish to ignore them. And should be considered helpful in getting an idea who some of these people are. The dead beat dad means nothing, its the latter part and invitation to help cover or make disappear a girl Tanya Harding who had broke an olympic stars legs via proxies.
If you think this is irrelevant to the case at hand , then indeed you live a very sheltered life. As there are all kinds of witnesses in this world, and if you can't vette them , then someone else will down the line, and possibly to your detriment and embarrasment. Better now than later.Its free helping hand for our benefit as an entire community, not a small segment of it.
If you did not know about this..well then ..we all know it now, and others can decide for themselves. Do we have a real witness, or someone hitching a ride.
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« Reply #1201 on: May 12th, 2008, 2:29pm »

Is this place becoming OMF II?
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« Reply #1202 on: May 12th, 2008, 9:37pm »

on May 12th, 2008, 2:23pm, TeachersPet wrote:
Nice rant as usual and great avoiding the issues raised by my post. The posts are made to ascertain as best of possible whether the witness testimony can stand up to scrutiny or should we accept at face value everything put in our face .So far their is a problem with how he was able to distinguish sound of static in an accoustically soundproof Lexus. Late reporting, etc.
putting that aside we have to look at the persons history


My point is that witnesses coming forward deserve better treatment from us. If someone has the courage to come forward and put their real name to it why must you drag him through the mud? You want to scrutinize his story? Go for it. But it's not necessary to rip the guy apart on a public forum. What you've done is unethical. It's bad for the forums and bad for ufology in general.
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« Reply #1203 on: May 12th, 2008, 10:53pm »

on May 12th, 2008, 9:37pm, Latitude wrote:
My point is that witnesses coming forward deserve better treatment from us. If someone has the courage to come forward and put their real name to it why must you drag him through the mud? You want to scrutinize his story? Go for it. But it's not necessary to rip the guy apart on a public forum. What you've done is unethical. It's bad for the forums and bad for ufology in general.

Of course I am going for it, this was not some dip into someones private account, it was in the public domain, for public viewing comment. How can that be construed as unethical.Its there, and nothing added. It spoke for itself, as if he himself was there to say it. If I said you were an ElO fan, would that be an intrusion, no because you wear it on your avatar at OM. If I looked for ELO and found your videos under dl1027, would that be an inrusion, no its public. If I found you named yourself after a popular song 10358 of theirs, is that an intrusion?, no its public.If I looked dl1027 and linked to a name openly, no its public, and just good research. So dont throw the U word on me because I have a duty as a researcher to put foward what I find as relevant in the the current vacuum of information we have. And IMO that was very relevant. Currently We have to pull teeth to get answers to the most trivial of questions, with risks of recieving tongue lashings. If there had been full and frank discussion at the beginning, that would eleminate the need to undertake any such inquiries. Therefore, I put this on the table for the members who are adult enough to make up their own minds. not just mine as you will never see half of what I have already out of respect for those involved. Now you can help yourself to a serving or pass the plate to another please.
Thank you and Good Day
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« Reply #1204 on: May 12th, 2008, 11:24pm »

TeachersPet, Latitude,
I have read both your posts and one thing I noticed, your both " taking the long way around the barn". I believe your closer to agreeing than both of you realise. Take a deep breath, relax abit, and reread your own posts and I think you'll find common ground. Of course, this is just my opinion, but both of you are intelligent enough to see this. Besides... I'm jealous of those more radical than I am,LOL as well as more intelligent.

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« Reply #1205 on: May 13th, 2008, 12:11am »

Here's what I'm seeing. You both want the same thing. Lat wants people who have witnessed an unbelievable sight to feel that they can report it without getting an anal exam. TeachersPets wants those same reporters to be screened well enough to eliminate the bad ones before they are thrown into the mix that we all drink from. Both of you want the mix; i.e. the body of evidence, to exist and be reliable for those of us that are looking for answers. It's just part of our human condition that we argue over the small things and forget the big view while doing it. That's IMHO.

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« Reply #1206 on: May 13th, 2008, 12:44am »

hjdelight,
Dang it, stop being more eloquent than me, It makes me really, really upset,LOL
Good post, you said it exactly. Very true!

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« Reply #1207 on: May 13th, 2008, 10:27am »



I agree with both of these fine comments wrt the issue of witnesses.

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« Reply #1208 on: May 13th, 2008, 11:42am »

Thank you for the kind words.

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« Reply #1209 on: May 13th, 2008, 2:51pm »

And I agree with all three of you . What I was responding to was the label of smear artist and unethical, which has no place from any quarter unless backed up. His client was outed by himself by the internet. What more backing do I need than the
Witnesses own words. Before a chargee like that is leveled he should PM me and lets thrash it out in private..
Lets make no mistake here, we are in quandries allready given LMH failure to release evidence,witnesses gone, the witness remaining stories bearing similar patterns like camera left in the glove compartment, the telephone making fax machine noises or vice versa, more recently recalling he smelled barbecue cooking before the ozone, there were huge multimillion dollar homes right there and he could not understand why no one saw it , and it was eating him inside.
both Shirley and Brent presented to us by the same person who won't turn over evidence herself.
Now folx, I may be from the south, but I did not fall off of a watermelon truck yesterday.
What happened here is what happens in many scams, and other cases. Someone cracked out of turn. They made a mistake, either not added enough or added too much, like the Lexus, and the rush to airbrush, and of course the accidental discovery of what I posted not only his words, but that separate piece of art discovered by Rwiggins at ATS.
Thats how cases are broken, many times, something from the past catches up with them, as it did here. It has nothing to do with security or fear to come foward.
And if one does, one need to review past behaviours in telling the truth, because it will be found out.
I am happy and satified here no one is hurt, except some egos. Anyone of you could have stumbled upon this. It just happened to me, and I hardly accept that as unethical.
Thas all.
My thanks for your review and consideration. The floor is yours, and I must leave for the chase..smiley
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to all Kind Regards.
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« Reply #1210 on: May 13th, 2008, 3:50pm »

I give up..open the dang rubber room, I need some sleep!!!

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« Reply #1211 on: May 13th, 2008, 4:41pm »

TP,

I agree that the rhetoric from certain corners is inflammatory and way over the top.

But somehow we must rise above those tactics.

It frustrates the hell out of me to ignore it but we need not stoop to that level
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« Reply #1212 on: May 13th, 2008, 4:49pm »

Yeah....what he said.

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« Reply #1213 on: May 13th, 2008, 4:58pm »

on May 13th, 2008, 4:41pm, murnut wrote:
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I agree that the rhetoric from certain corners is inflammatry and way over the top.

But somehow we must rise above those tactics.

It frustrates the hell out of me to ignore it but we need not stoop to that level

on May 13th, 2008, 4:49pm, hjdelight wrote:
Yeah....what he said.

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Hi Mur/HJ all!!

Well said and of course I agree. smiley

And I too am trying to rise above.....oh, wait a minute, I'm not one of those 'certain corners' am I?! laugh

(I wish I could say it'll get better Lone but I try to always stick to the truth!! wink grin)
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« Reply #1214 on: May 13th, 2008, 5:57pm »

Do you now see the wisdom in not becoming a Mod? Lol! It's too bad these things happen but they seem to be a regular thing in this medium. I have theories about it but I won't bore you. Doin' good Doc!

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