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« Reply #1260 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 5:51pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 2:26pm, TeachersPet wrote:
I forgot to add these other links that deal with real time data as well as exif data

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/3312519.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/3312634.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/3312678.html
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Basically, this is looking at pict0016... where the large wing appears to point "directly" at the sun. If true, this will allow the bottom of the wing surface to be "dark" and the three "fan" like projection next to the drone body to catch and reflect the sun on their sun facing side surfaces.

In pict0017, the wing drops slightly (if at all). There should be no shadow cast on the lower half of the drone by the large wing in pict0016... and there should be less light on the bottom of pict0017 (which is partically true in the photo... so where is the light source?).

My observation.
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« Reply #1261 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 5:58pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 5:07pm, VonStern wrote:
Hi Marvin!

I see your point, but what actually makes the square reflection in the image to the left? I see no surface in the right picture able to reflect the sun? The mystery deepens...

My thinking is, that the drone tilts more than we think in the first place. And in more than one direction. That would rule out almost any "shadow effect".

Given that the pole is the highest item in the direct line from the sun, you might expect foul play. if a treeline or other obstracles is close by, some shadowing arissen from just that would pollute the picture with "reflective" shadows, or underlights. I.e reflections off a sunlit and reflective ground. Again only speculation on my part.

Surely, you all seem to have it worked out as a fake. grin

Let's bring on "Isaac" to hear him laugh utterly satisfied that the story now has come to it's final chapters.
-The solution was a simple flaw in the shadowing of his otherwise masterly performed plan to disillusionate us all! grin grin grin

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Great to hear from you!

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To answer your question, look at the above three photos...

In the top photo, you might be able to better see the surface that is reflecting the light.

If the drone is flying level and parallel to the ground, then that surface should also be parallel to the ground. That is why this reflection is so weird.

I hope this is helpful.

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« Reply #1262 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 6:17pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 5:58pm, Marvin wrote:
Hi VonStern,

Great to hear from you!

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To answer your question, look at the above three photos...

In the top photo, you might be able to better see the surface that is reflecting the light.

If the drone is flying level and parallel to the ground, then that surface should also be parallel to the ground. That is why this reflection is so weird.

I hope this is helpful.

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Now I see it! Well, I guess it has to be the tilting of the drone that is responsible for the reflection. Maybe the light of the sun was heavy on the day the photo was taken, making the two "plates" look like one square..?

Good work, Marvin! smiley

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« Reply #1263 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 6:18pm »

So you can see the sun on the light poles...


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« Reply #1264 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 6:24pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 6:17pm, VonStern wrote:
Now I see it! Well, I guess it has to be the tilting of the drone that is responsible for the reflection. Maybe the light of the sun was heavy on the day the photo was taken, making the two "plates" look like one square..?

Good work, Marvin! smiley

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One more thing to consider, if it is reflected... the light source would have to be in front of the camera, ground based (and penatrating) the drone to be reflected to the camera... IMO. Like I said, weird.
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« Reply #1265 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 6:29pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 6:24pm, Marvin wrote:
One more thing to consider, if it is reflected... the light source would have to be in front of the camera, ground based (and penatrating) the drone to be reflected to the camera... IMO. Like I said, weird.


Yeah, weird...but the drone has changed position and also tilts....look at the top "antenna device" position...

I really don't know....but if it's a CG inset, it sure isn't the same base created image, it is constructed for each image, if that's the case...working different shadows into each frame...sounds like hard work to me.. huh

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« Reply #1266 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 6:55pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 5:40pm, VonStern wrote:
If my fingernail looks like the Icon of the Holy Maria, I would charish that as a symbol. Maybe you would sell it on Ebay?

Some things will allways look alike, and you would expect similarities to the "Isaac" antigravity device and an "Oil-Pig".

The reason these items would look alike, is there is only few ways of obtaining working fluid "cleansers" - even if the one of "Isaac" is related to the inner workings of a pipe-like device like the drones.

Hoax or not - now we all know what an "Oil-Pig" is! cool

I'm stepping down, my work here is done.

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Not yours DR V. you are a visionary, Hoax or not , it did bring some fluid (pun intended) ideas together, the stuff dreams are made of. And yes, a few people did capitalize on them, and these as you said contain fluids just like the tokamak and oil pig did, I sometimes I think we can't think unless we and contain the universe in some kind of container, and expect it to work the same. Oddly many times it does. Thats why ideas like yours and pointing out what may seem strange to others are very important in keeping things in perspective.
Personally Dr, I like your ideas and observations much more than Isaacs. And had he done his homework and read more of your works, then who knows how much farther this would have gone.
No your work here is not done by any stretch, because its your kind of work that keeps the interest alive and going and so much more interesting.
And as Isaac said, I'll bet my life savings on that! smiley



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« Reply #1267 on: Jun 7th, 2008, 7:08pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 6:55pm, TeachersPet wrote:


I might have thrown in some sarcasm... grin

We all have visions, please don't crumble them at birth!(Generally speaking) cheesy

Peace, and thanks for your support.

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http://droneacademy.conforums.com/
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« Reply #1268 on: Jun 9th, 2008, 7:07pm »

BTW... here is an experiment you can try with a mirror and a flashlight...

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See where you have to be to see the "flash" or light from the flashlight.
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« Reply #1269 on: Jun 9th, 2008, 8:18pm »

on Jun 7th, 2008, 1:33pm, hjdelight wrote:
The arm is going to cast a shadow somewhere. It looks like the area you are pointing to might have entered that shadow.

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HJ,

I was thinking the same thing. We must be on the same wavelength. It's good to know I'm not alone.

Also to TP, no the long arm does not need to cast a shadow on the drone bodywhere you are indicating. You have not established the actual tilt of the drone in relation to the power pole crossbars. My analysis tells me the arm was pointing in an angle that puts it inline with the sun angle.


Also to Marvin,

Good job buddy! You keep those prying eyes going, dude. I only ask that whatever you uncover, please be open minded to the possibilities.
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« Reply #1270 on: Jun 9th, 2008, 9:57pm »

Hey Lat! I wondered where you got off to. Good to see ya'.

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« Reply #1271 on: Jun 10th, 2008, 07:10am »

on Jun 9th, 2008, 8:18pm, Latitude wrote:
HJ,

I was thinking the same thing. We must be on the same wavelength. It's good to know I'm not alone.

Also to TP, no the long arm does not need to cast a shadow on the drone bodywhere you are indicating. You have not established the actual tilt of the drone in relation to the power pole crossbars. My analysis tells me the arm was pointing in an angle that puts it inline with the sun angle.


Also to Marvin,

Good job buddy! You keep those prying eyes going, dude. I only ask that whatever you uncover, please be open minded to the possibilities.



Hi Latitude! Glad you’re here.

I have not come to any conclusion on Raj’s photos. But in order for them to stand up as evidence, we will have to resolve the lighting issues on the “aft” end (vs. the main body) compared to the sun location.

The flash (dare I suggest it) may be due to a self luminous event… but why only in this one photo?

I keep an open mind until the objective evidence says otherwise.



When looking at these things, there is a lot to keep in mind…

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The above shows three materials, with three different surface properties, viewed at two different angles.

On the left, the small “chip” and the applied material appear to match.

On the right, the small “chip” and the background “color” appear to match.

Sometimes, things are not what they appear to be... the fun things some of us do for a living.
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« Reply #1272 on: Jun 10th, 2008, 11:23am »

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This seems to be especially true about the original Drones being "GIANT MODELS" or "SUPER CG". You need to keep this in mind.
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on Jun 10th, 2008, 11:23am, Truether wrote:
This seems to be especially true about the original Drones being "GIANT MODELS" or "SUPER CG". You need to keep this in mind.
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Will do.

I also wanted to thank you for clarifying the “thumper” drone for the DRT. You should get credit for your work and I enjoy checking out your site from time to time.


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« Reply #1274 on: Jun 10th, 2008, 12:48pm »

Thank you. We have no proof of what the original Drones are, but they are extraordinary what ever they are. On our blog we try for a mix to encourage thought and we never dictate what you should believe. The experience of life has told us, this is a very strange world, whatever the basis is.
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