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« Reply #1425 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 1:04pm »

Don't have many moments to spend today, so a quick note for Radi:

I thank you for the link, but as i stated at the start of my Addendum - i do not care if the photos are real or CGI.

In fact, i think that any discussion of that subject will be inconclusive, and more importantly, it is a MISDIRECTION.

I ask you to sit back in your chair, take your hands off the keyboard and truly, really think about this for 30 seconds:

If our government, or agencies within, had access to technology that would make the use of OIL obsolete, would they hand it over freely to a needy world, or would they hide it at any cost?

Please **PLEASE** before you form an answer in your mind, behold this:

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« Reply #1426 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 3:18pm »

The silliness here is always the game played at the "Unmentionable Forum". It shows the opposite of what children think it shows. The Drone/ Isaac Events are continued by the very ones who hate them. Bad CG does not influence those who know computer graphics and know that the original Drone and Isaac images are far removed from illustrations of junk. Suggestion: continue for you keep the ball rolling.
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« Reply #1427 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 3:34pm »

on Sep 15th, 2008, 11:55pm, ZETAR wrote:
ONE THING I WAS IMPRESSED WITH...WITH REGARD TO THE REFABRICATION OF THIS PHENOMENA WAS WHAT KRIS OR SALAD FINGERS DID AND HIS VIDEO PROJECT...
WHAT CREATIVITY AND THAT COMPUTER AND SEQUENCING WITH MUSIC...WASN'T HE THE FIRST TO DO THIS?...HEY I DON'T KNOW BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK!
AM I WRONG TO THINK THAT WAS DONE KINDA LIKE THE GARAGE BANDS...GRUNGE MOVEMENT...DO IT WITH NOTHING AND MAKE A REASONABLE PRODUCT...HAVING SAID THAT...KRIS ACKNOWLEDEGED HIS PURPOSE AND POINTED OUT THAT THOSE WHOM ARE DETERMINED TO BELIEVE WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF COMPARATIVE EVEIDENCE ARE EASILY CAUGHT IN THAT TRAP OF BELIEF WITHOUT QUESTION...
SALAD FINGERS KINDA TWEAKED THAT ASPECT OF CGI AND GOT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF RECOGNITION... EH?
SHALOM...ZETAR


Yes they do Zetar, and when they mix it up with a few facts for the realism, then it gets really bizzare,
I remember when they used to cut phony records, with c class bands to imitate real singers and their bands..once person bought too late to get money back. Counterfeiting is big business, on all levels..Counterfeiting a and selling to public what appears to be a device from gov with no stamps on and no witnesses is just that a fake..but people will by these imitations..some even like it as a phony rolex might impress the girls.
I like the imitation polo cologne myself.smiley its been excellent and fooled a few noses. But nothing like the real thing.

Lev should try putting his videos with that anubis moon productions guy who would enjoy talent like his smiley
Pindar and , capn moon, Lizard king, and my other friends would be even proudersmiley
In the meantime lets not forget our dear dear PIs
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« Reply #1428 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 7:00pm »

Just dropped in for a moment to see if anyone here would reply with a thoughtful, logical response to my last post. I understand - Saudi's are scary, and the evidence of their power over our government is as easy to see as opening your eyes to the placement of the prince's hand on our President's arm. I get it.

So, thoughtful comments and replies to the imperative - guess not.

While i have a second: Audits.

I work in a business regulated by FDA. In accordance with CFR part 21, we are required to hold study documents for at least two years after the conclusion of an exploratory study, and there is no limit as to how long documents can be saved in accordance with the standard operating procedures of the company that sponsors our work (above and beyond FDA regs).

I do not know what the limitations could be within a US gov. funded "black project" but i can do a base comparison, and offer this insight:

Currently, i am responsible for the audit of over sixty seven thousand physical documents related to a study that occurred several years before i was hired at my present company.

Some of the documents i am auditing are over a decade old.

Since Redrage has declined to acquiesce to the report that Isaac confessed to removing photographs (which most likely were subject to the same kind of audit i am currently involved in), I will move forward under the assumption taht he DID steal photos, and that that action was discovered during audit, so here is an example, based upon my own experience.

In the 67k docs i am reviewing, i have come across at least 15 that were missing. These docs have been methodically (and i mean PSYCHOTICALLY) tracked down, re-databased, scanned and re-audited.

Only slightly more than a dozen, out of 67 thousand.

And i just work in medicine.

If Isaac removed photographs from a black site (as he says he did), i can easily see a person like myself, coming in 15 years after the fact, and finding losses in the records.

If these losses could not be reconciled, they would have to be reported. If they were reported, they would be investigated. If they were investigated, and presumed STOLEN, the utmost power of the presiding Agency would be brought to bear in regards to RETRIEVAL.

Why does no one want to discuss this?

Nertz to saladfingers and nertz to all the drone photos.

I am talking about real world scenarios (Fed Audits), with documentary evidence (Isaac's confession of taking the photos), and circumstantial relevance (the utter stoppage of this event once Isaac emailed LMH).

Please don't tell me it's this easy for a bass player from Durham NC to beat down CoIntelPro!

REDRAGE - where you athuhhuh?

Let's talk out in the open, my Federal Friends. You've had your way in here FOREVER. Don't shy away now that the subject has been defrayed from your fishing lure...lets talk about the catch...

Tick, tick, tick. Yeah, right, one more discussion about the photos. Yawn.

Back to work (feel my disappointment).
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« Reply #1429 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 9:37pm »

Interesting Ken,
I it is noteworthy that you accept the carft fotos as bogus, and maybe planned.but how could the LAP be reported stolen or missing. He copied and presumably returned the originals. which can by itself be a task. but, Logically it follows , that any audit would be succesdful, as none are apparently missing. So your proposed scenario, of them just discovering missing after 20 years, is flawed. It follows Then, then that there was no long term plann lets smoke them out as you suggest, by using chad or steph and others. Because they did not know yet about Isaac until june 26. Those would be independent t of Isaac and any prior notice by the PTB.

So..where did the witnesses get their pix..not related to pacl obviously, as none knew Isaac, and Isaac said he didnt either by his request to get in touch. Thats why the PTB would not even need to be involved. They did not know anything was missing, or even if they had crafts like that.

But we know they were fake pictures. most of us agree, the pix were put on the report cover by Isaac and perhaps assistance by LMH, who is reported to have had conversations in private with Isaac based on the tight timeline and DRT rep to LMH. Isaac said he never saw the craft, just pieces of them, and the symbols.

So No PTB shock or need to be involved really until june 26.
So Whilst we have Isaac telling us he recognizes the phony craft pix , and symbols, which happen to look like some his parts and symbols.
We know they are not his, but someone elses, the hoaxer witnesses, not angry auditors,

Maybe they got it telepathically, or more likely pre arrangement. There was no sudden shutdown, as Linda has a dozen emails with Chad., and never to us ever stated that she put chad in touch with Isaac, as he requested. So someone is lying here, obviously Chad first, and then Isaac, as he recognized something that is known to be false, and could only recognize it because he worked with the witnesses.

Perhaps Isaac is the disinfo artist, trying to capture people releasing fake fotos of classified material, which the auditors have not discovered missing yet , lets be generous. maybe even elsewhere. But thats illogical is it not. If true, then chad would not have made it past square 1 to write 1 2 emails to linda according to Nemo at Drt.
however you slice, dice, or frapee ,..including comparing the odds with your audits, it does not hold water.
No its my turn to yawn
"yawn" Do you notice that yawning is contagious? I digress..
Don't disappoint us ,please, the next time you drop in
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« Reply #1430 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 07:02am »

on Sep 16th, 2008, 1:04pm, Kenray wrote:
Don't have many moments to spend today, so a quick note for Radi:

I thank you for the link, but as i stated at the start of my Addendum - i do not care if the photos are real or CGI.

In fact, i think that any discussion of that subject will be inconclusive, and more importantly, it is a MISDIRECTION.

I ask you to sit back in your chair, take your hands off the keyboard and truly, really think about this for 30 seconds:

If our government, or agencies within, had access to technology that would make the use of OIL obsolete, would they hand it over freely to a needy world, or would they hide it at any cost?

Please **PLEASE** before you form an answer in your mind, behold this:

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Hello Ken and thanks for responding...As much as I love reading about connections between the Saudis, the Bush administration and the US government in general…I fail to see how this is related to the Drones…..This would be an Off-Topic discussion unless your post was meant to suggest that the Drones are a technology designed to make oil obsolete….That within itself while more interesting than other theories is just that…There are other ideals, reasons and theories presented by other posters and even the supposed Drone witnesses that give their input. Such as studying the snow, electric poles, studying us…
The list goes on so yours is just another one to put on a pile of just that a pile of theories but no substance to them……..Speculative and unproven……..

As far as the photos being CG or not is very important…Remember people supposedly saw these drones and took pictures of them…If they are proved to be something other then real then that adds less credibility to their story…Not to mention to be found in another area and city then where they said…So why is this important?
Enter Isaac and the documents from a place that might not even exist….In the image that shows parts on a tarmac these are also the same parts in some of the drones that are shown to be tampered photos….So those are very important since the witness photos and the photos that Isaac had are connected to each other….So then that makes Isaacs photos questionable as well…..So the audits that you speak of are a moot point since the connections to the tampered photos are obvious…No-one knows if there is even a PACL…If there was a PACL how would one know if there was even an audit unless someone worked there or had an insider connection that worked there…….
All this from another bass player in the US……

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« Reply #1431 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 08:01am »

@Ken,

Keep in mind that Isaac stealing photos is a theory (not a fact).

Since it is Isaac’s testimony that he only took and kept copies (and he was in management), we also have to be open to the possibility that he “borrowed” the photos, smuggled them out, had (negatives and) prints made at a corner drugstore (he can use a fake name like Isaac) and brought back the original photos and checked them back in when he was finished. Now there is nothing missing to account for.

To assume Isaac out right stole photos would also be an assumption that Isaac was not well informed on of how security worked. But then again, we have the elaborate story about how the site security worked and the reason why and how Isaac smuggled out copies (so he would never get caught). But this is to be “pulled in” to the story and assume Isaac and the photos are real. What a tangled web we weave when believe a lie and try to make the loose ends fit into a nice, neat and believable package. Either we accept Isaac’s account verbatim, or we reject it as a fabrication… and there are a lot of loose ends.

One of the problems with the photos is with the “funky blue” shadows, they appear to be “sprayed” in. I know this because I have manipulated the photos (for fun) and changed some of the component and shadow locations in a photo (which brought to my attention shadow shapes and locations… they all appear to be applied with a circular tool like spray can). This was easy to do with the white background, use cut and paste and touch up the shadows with the “spray can” option using MS Paint… a far cry from being high tech or a difficult to do operation.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #1432 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 6:22pm »

Those shadows are from global illumination Marv, global illumination... I'd bet my life on it. I did tests on it a long while back, and the shadows fell EXACTLY as they do in Isaacs pictures.

You see, what is so ironic, is that many would tell you (One name springs to mind) that a 3D graphics program can't emulate real world light. But yet, here we are, with shadows in a 3D program identical to the supposedly "real" anti grav photos.

So Given that the first statement is true... that 3D softwares lighting is incorrect when compared to real world lighting... then surely that just goes to say that Isaacs images MUST be of 3d origin, if the lighting and shadows from a CG image and the original match each other in every way!

Can anyone else see the irony in that?

But of course, if the photo IS real, then it just goes to prove that 3D software actually CAN mimic real world lighting perfectly. They can't have it both ways.

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« Reply #1433 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 7:35pm »

Donkeykong,

You are knowledgeable in this area. If you say it's a 3D rendering... you'll get no debate from me.

(but you can manipulate it in Paint as well) wink
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« Reply #1434 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 7:37pm »

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« Reply #1435 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 8:35pm »

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« Reply #1436 on: Sep 17th, 2008, 8:58pm »

Yes.
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« Reply #1437 on: Sep 19th, 2008, 09:09am »

Lev it is always a treat to have you on board, I am thinking what would make a worthy token of appreciation for your performances here and across the forums and outstanding Sportsmanship in this lost cause.
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« Reply #1438 on: Sep 19th, 2008, 1:04pm »

I know you will be the Toast and Talk of the town for sure. smiley
Your latest design drone, is cherry too. However it seems somebody in your group sent the same stylized project to poor Atto in the form of last drawing I posted., claiming they were Daniel Sheehan of the disclosure project. That was not a very nice thing to do to Atto and the Disclosure people. When serious people are trifled with, there are serious consequences.

After my usual insane and compulsive disorder checking it was traced to Beloit Wisconson, and I can assure you it was not Daniel Sheehan, but a custom soap business. A little more checking revealed some other interesting items, which I won't divulge, and even a connection to Cali, and even more curious some ca connections back to Wi. Is their like a wagon train or something bringing oregonians and Wisconsonians in and out of California.?Thats not even the half of it including the anubis moon factor.

If you can fill in the gaps, let me know..Mi PM es su PM,
My PM is your PM.

Hasta la vista

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« Reply #1439 on: Sep 23rd, 2008, 03:34am »

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not what goeth out that should concern some.

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