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« Reply #285 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 5:26pm »

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« Reply #286 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 6:09pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
First and foremost, this entire drone case in no way fits with any type of known hoax. It has already been stated that it is way too complicated to be perpetrated for no monetary gain.

Neither does it fit with any of the many, many thousands of sightings previously so there is no precedence for it.

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
The only way this supposed half competent sci-fi writer could fabricate this is if he was in cahoots with all of the witnesses especially those six with photos. He would have to coordinate an effort to bring out the linguistics and LAP in a manner that would not show any obvious signs of cgi in 35 photos. I can't imagine how the drone parts photo could show parts from two completely different drone photos and not show any signs of cgi. Why would a hoaxer reply back to answer the critics questions? So he could get caught?


“Cahoots with all of the witnesses especially those six with photos”

You are of course assuming that they’re all different people, he/she could easily fabricate it if he was acting alone or in a pair or even three people. Who’s to say the Isaac documentation wasn’t the original, “Masterpiece” and whoever is responsible then worked backwards compiling the Drones from this information.

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
“I can't imagine how the drone parts photo could show parts from two completely different drone photos and not show any signs of cgi.”

Try imagining a little harder, what if they’re models, simply dismantle the model and take the photograph.

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
“What about the interviewed witnesses? Were they merely actors?”

No, those would be the glory seekers I referenced, i.e. “LMH’s, witnesses could quite simply be glory seekers.”

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
How do you explain the different ways these witnesses came forward? Two to C2C, one to Mufon, one to Casebook, some to Earthfiles and Raj to Craigslist. Craigslist? Is that how a hoaxer works, by posting to Craigslist?

It’s how a clever hoaxer would work, if they released them all through the same source then obviously people would say, “It’s the same person” so how would you pre-empt this? By releasing a couple of the Drone images through obscure sources.

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
How innocent is that?

That depends entirely on your motivation, which if you’re a hoaxer………….

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
Why does a hoaxer register at OMF to answer questions? So he can take a chance on getting caught? You know as much as I do those OMFers would tear him apart if he made one slip.

Yes, but how could he slip up if it’s his story and his images, just like reading from a script, it was never, “Live” merely reading the question, compiling an answer then posting it. (Then he only posted twice, how many questions were asked?)

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
Sorry, but that's exactly my take on the subject. Disbelievers can make up all kinds of odd (and extremely complicated and unlikely) theories as to the hows and whys so they don't have to admit that it has finally happened, that is, we finally have up close and personal proof of ETs and a massive government cover up. I'm sure they always had the thought in the back of their minds that it could be this way. But when it finally happens they think it's too good to be true and deny it. Is it simply a case of be careful what you wish for, you might get it? And then when it happens decide they never wanted it after all?

The question I was answering was, “It's the obstacle that many people cannot seem to get past, the reality of ETs and the government cover up of them, once you get past that it's easy to see the simple explanation”

Like I said I’m well past that, I believe 100%!!

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
“We finally have up close and personal proof of ETs and a massive government cover up”

Do we? Where? Surely it’s not proof as it’s blatantly un-provable.

on Oct 14th, 2007, 3:29pm, Latitude wrote:
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Apparently just as easy as it is to accept testimony from what is for all intents and purposes anonymous and faceless, “Witnesses.”


I thought you said they were glory seekers?

Yes, I actually said, “LMH’s, witnesses could quite simply be glory seekers.” LMH’s WITNESSES, not the people/person who released the images in the first place.

Let’s have a quick recap, the post I was addressing said, “The fake argument is complicated as hell.”

I don’t think it is, that is the main point I was addressing, as I’m sure you know we could go on in circles like this for ever.

You posted it was complicated, I disagree.

You believe the Drones are extraterrestrial, I don’t.

You think if it’s a hoax it’s complicated as hell, I don’t think it is. I just think it’s being made to appear that way. I also don't think any of the possibilities I've mentioned are complicated at all.

As I’m sure you knew when you posted your reply (as I know I did wink) that one party was never going to convince the other, as we’ve both said in the past, we’ll just have to agree to differ on this one. grin
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« Reply #287 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 6:25pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 6:09pm, DrDil wrote:
As I’m sure you knew when you posted your reply (as I know I did wink) that one party was never going to convince the other, as we’ve both said in the past, we’ll just have to agree to differ on this one. grin


Absolutely correct ... for now. But I believe this is not over. We may have to wait till next May (or even the next year) when new witnesses (how about another from CARET) come forward. Maybe somebody who might just find a way to slip past the agents and make it to a safe haven. Makes me wonder what I would do if I had drone photos or a video.

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« Reply #288 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 6:29pm »

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« Reply #289 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 6:32pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 6:25pm, Latitude wrote:
Absolutely correct ... for now.

Sounds ominous!! I hope you keep a week free next May especially for me, so we can disagree further!! wink
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« Reply #290 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 7:01pm »

He must have been quick with his net. nice catch in the back pocket. hahahaha the drones in the basket are a little to young yet. Don't let Department of natural resources see you with those.
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« Reply #291 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 7:21pm »

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« Reply #292 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 7:49pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 6:25pm, Latitude wrote:
Absolutely correct ... for now. But I believe this is not over. We may have to wait till next May (or even the next year) when new witnesses (how about another from CARET) come forward. Maybe somebody who might just find a way to slip past the agents and make it to a safe haven. Makes me wonder what I would do if I had drone photos or a video.

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I am waiting for a video... ya know one is coming (just a feeling one is coming).
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« Reply #293 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 8:01pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 7:21pm, jugement wrote:
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Its hilarious,http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7168660.html After reading this how far fetched is the net idea? huh
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« Reply #294 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 8:06pm »

The single biggest problem with this whole case is the most important part, the witnesses. Where are they? I find it hard to beleive they could have all been silenced. And there was indication that there was probably many more witnesses according to the stories attached to the photos and the location of the photos, in a residential area during the day!. Where are they? Where!!! Even the guy in Kentucky who videotaped the drone-like shadow during the eclipse came forward and public. The thing really looked like a drone at first. Where were the government silencers then. I don't want to get into that case but my point is that when someone sees something really strange they usually come forward. At the very least one of those witnesses would be expected to. If the government was that good a silencing people then beleive me the photos would never had made it out of their cameras, let alone on the internet. If it smells like a rat it usually is a rat.
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« Reply #295 on: Oct 14th, 2007, 9:32pm »

on Oct 14th, 2007, 8:06pm, Gyvor wrote:
The single biggest problem with this whole case is the most important part, the witnesses. Where are they? I find it hard to beleive they could have all been silenced. And there was indication that there was probably many more witnesses according to the stories attached to the photos and the location of the photos, in a residential area during the day!. Where are they? Where!!! Even the guy in Kentucky who videotaped the drone-like shadow during the eclipse came forward and public. The thing really looked like a drone at first. Where were the government silencers then. I don't want to get into that case but my point is that when someone sees something really strange they usually come forward. At the very least one of those witnesses would be expected to. If the government was that good a silencing people then beleive me the photos would never had made it out of their cameras, let alone on the internet. If it smells like a rat it usually is a rat.


Exactly

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F--craft-fake, witness-fake, documents-real


Could be a govt sponsored test to gauge reaction...similar to Serpo.

This time we were teased with just a little more...photos and doc's.
Maybe the drones are real, and the witnesses are just DIA agents posing as witnesses. Could this be why they dont come forward?.

Hmmmm

And/Or the photos could be faked...we have not been provided with the data needed to confirm one way or the other.

Hmmmm

If this is some type of sponsored release, and I think the possiblity must be considered....what would be the true part?

The Witnesses?
The Photos?
The Documents. To me anyway the doc's are the only real part of this.
Let me re-phase...The doc's are the only thing in this that has the slightest possibility of being real, and I am not sure they are real either.

Look here...When and if Disclosure comes...the govt expects panic...right?

If it is coming and the govt/PtB have no way to stop it ....how do you stop the paralyzing panic.

3 ways

First a disinfo campaign against all believers who have ever seen and reported. We have all seen the media reports with the weird music playing in the back round.

When disclosure comes, most will not believe anyway...the disinfo campaign has worked beautifully. Most will not panic because they don't believe.

Secondly All the Sci-Fi movies, Star Trek and countless others have open up still another section of the populace to the idea that life does exists elsewhere. These people, like myself are open to the idea. Most likely these people will not panic as well.

Thirdly we have the hardcores...all of us here and there on the internet ufo forums. We get the really hardcore stuff to see what can be believed and what cant. We are not going to panic, but our reactions here can be modeled for the real Disclosure Day to lessen the panic.

I could be wrong, I am wrong a lot.

I tell you this...when and if disclosure ever comes, it wont be the Truth....if it was so easy as that we would have had it long ago.

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« Reply #296 on: Oct 15th, 2007, 09:29am »

Murnut, I think your on to something. I missed that, but yes "F" could be a viable option. The release targets a specific group. They(Gov) don't want this thing blown wide open. The photos are fake but the craft/docs are real. This is the only way to explain the residential Raj photos and the potential real witnesses not seeing this thing. This theory is certainly not affected by the "witness problem" and is therfore a definate option. Wow, I am almost back on the fence with this one. Unfortunetly I think this is as far as we can go without further evidence. - Sayonara!
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« Reply #297 on: Oct 15th, 2007, 1:55pm »

Off topic.

I like to check out ATS every now and then if only to get a laugh. Like the post from a guy who was asking if he would still have to go to work if we had disclosure.

Here's the latest kookery from ATS.
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When will there be an Alien Invasion?

So when do ya'll think that them Aliens will come? They are gathering a fleet as we speak.
Soon them Aliens will start shooting at us. Will the crop circles determine when they will arrive?

I and my buds have prepared ourselves. We have mounted a machine gun on an old Ford Pickup truck.

When will they strike? And where will they hit first?


I wonder if this guy's machine gun mounted on an old Ford pickup will be enough to repel the invasion? laugh
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« Reply #298 on: Oct 15th, 2007, 2:02pm »

http://ufo.egrd.net/
This was dropped off and and dropping it off to you. You are welcome..Greetings Dr. V and members Murnut and Gort..
Beautiful stuff..music integrated nicely..I a Lot of threads weave into caret. Besides art, and astronomy and philosophy, there are allusions to power source..I noted use of thre urn (also in anagram) Also one of the sites pointed to had azure either a group or song, and desert..remember this is no longer one person, or one group, of writers, musicians,artists, ..yeah the whole monte folx. also it its a suped up simcity see the game at chrisbrogan.com see the the writing community..there are many..Part f the diagram was painted in flourescence paint..yielding more clues..its connected..as far as giving clues..and showing what a nice pretty site it is..Which really is by the way..Pointing things that the government already has the tech..at least for ground transport as this site hinted at..ideas stolen from the author he mentioned..nice break otherwise..
worth pursuing for clues..its a self growing puzzle..neverending..many answers, depending who the weavers are. I would not be surprised if some here are members..and writers also..that know part of the story but not all of it..it was meant for the right hand not knowing what the left was doing..I saw evidence by team a and team b members at omf..playing each other..so you have the techies on one thing and the artists on another..and guitar players even... Some of these go to regular summer camps just to practice and learn how to spin off carets.. Lifetime of ARG is normally 3 months..tops 0ne year,
http://danhon.com/2007/05/23/sxsw-2007-arg-the-attack-of-the-alternate-reality-games-transcript
worth reading..you think you may know what arg is..go on..it can be used as a disclosure, psyops, disinfo, all sugar coated ..you are the floats in the parade..while the PTP stand and eat their cotton candy, it can be anything..people want it to be..

they are experimenting ways to extend..Episodic ARG, ( ex . Nikki or Victor neuman gets killed in the soap opera, ladies you know what mean..) Yes ARG but a vehicle..it has portals, people looking in, some brilliant and wonderfful..and then not very nice people, opportunity for them yes, but us as well for real thing to be slipped in... it works both ways..
make it their nightmare, make it our dream come true..their mistake..so many artists, and some artists just don't give a squat, in their blood..like in your blood..
Is the science it brings in a rehash of all our stufff..or does it introduce something new..Dr. V would know..if their is a new twist..perhaps some of you..will

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« Reply #299 on: Oct 15th, 2007, 9:06pm »

you lost me.

I went to the first link and it was all dingbat font characters, I tried to change the font, unintelligible. I looked at the source code and got a headache.

Why be so cryptic and mysterious? isn't the drone topic cryptic and mysterious enough?
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