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« Reply #525 on: Nov 6th, 2007, 5:32pm »

I made some research and I found the article of origin in the French review “lights in the night” (Lumières dans la nuit) n°355 pp3-4, where it is question of this cavepainting.
The article was written by Didier LEROUX who carried out a survey to try to go back to the origins of information.
We learn thus that the “discoverer” of cavepainting would be Doctor Zaïtsev, Ph-D of the Academy of Science of Russia and deceased in 1992.

This doctor is interviewed in a film of E. Von Daniken “the extraterrestrial among us” where he exposes his theory but at any time does not speak about engraving.
The reproductions of this cavepainting are in addition visible in the book of Von Daniken “Presence of extraterrestrial” of 1968.
It is indeed a reproduction of artist, because work is signed.
No mention nor seen in addition of the original, once again...

The Russian ufologist Boris Chourinov mentions in his book “UFOS in Russia” (1995) the existence of Doctor Zaitsev and even specifies that “it was forgotten very quickly that Rynine, Zaitsev and Agrest (theorists) remained at the stage of the assumptions”

I will try to contact Didier LEROUX, and the Russian ufologists to try to know more.

It is however curious than ever nobody could see, photograph or film the original of this rupestral engraving.

Finally, i found these links (in English, Spanish and Italian) which provide us much informations about the original sources..... Very interesting:
http://www.alcione.org/FERGANA/
http://www.ceticismoaberto.com/fortianismo/fergana.htm
And more strange about Mr Zaitsev, also a designer:
http://www.dexigner.com/fashion/announcements-g833.html

It seems plausible that it does not have there an original and that this drawing was made by Mr. Zaïtsev itself…
You will note the correlation made by the article of the link above and the crop-circle of Chibolton.
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« Reply #526 on: Nov 6th, 2007, 6:19pm »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 4:30pm, VonStern wrote:
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This is something to consider for you all:

http://vonstern.homepage.dk/Science.html

THIS one I'm sure of the origin! grin Sir Martin Rees talking.

VonStern

Ps:Education is evident...mistakes are inevitable. If we grasp a straw in our time, we are considered lucky!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKhorTDDg_c

This is the same technology they are using for the tank cloaking.

It is a bit misleading to say this is a display made of concrete... concrete is the matrix the holds the fiber optics... and supplys some additional armor protection. But it works very nicely for this applcation.
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« Reply #527 on: Nov 6th, 2007, 6:55pm »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 6:19pm, Marvin wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKhorTDDg_c

This is the same technology they are using for the tank cloaking.

It is a bit misleading to say this is a display made of concrete... concrete is the matrix the holds the fiber optics... and supplys some additional armor protection. But it works very nicely for this applcation.


Should we say, that the technology ALLOWS it to be built in concrete? ROFL

It's for street use, no doubt. Do you know any teenager who wouldn't kick any screen exposed to the street? No...excellent for commercials in the open common space...if you ask me!

This was WAY off topic! grin grin grin My mistake! rolleyes

You should listen to Sir Martin Rees, that was the purpose here! Gee...Sir Marvin! wink

Good of you to work on the other issues as well,

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« Reply #528 on: Nov 6th, 2007, 7:12pm »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 6:55pm, VonStern wrote:
Should we say, that the technology ALLOWS it to be built in concrete? ROFL

It's for street use, no doubt. Do you know any teenager who wouldn't kick any sceen exposed to the street? No...excellent for commercials in the open common space...if you ask me!

This was WAY off topic! grin grin grin My mistake! rolleyes

You should listen to Sir Martin Rees, that was the purpose here! Gee...Sir Marvin! wink

Good of you to work on the other issues as well,

VonStern



I saw his video... but since this subject is in my educational background... nothing jumped out at me (except the theory on dark matter is in collapse or at least is being subjected to great doubt). What caught your attention?
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« Reply #529 on: Nov 8th, 2007, 11:49pm »

It's so sad when individuals take it so personally, that some people think THIS and others think THAT.

I mean, until there is more physical evidence, we're all only guessing.

We have to be patient, and wait until more evidence show up, that's all.

And let's just leave our egos out of it, okay y'all?


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« Reply #530 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 08:01am »

on Nov 8th, 2007, 11:49pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
It's so sad when individuals take it so personally, that some people think THIS and others think THAT.

I mean, until there is more physical evidence, we're all only guessing.

We have to be patient, and wait until more evidence show up, that's all.

And let's just leave our egos out of it, okay y'all?


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Hi Shech,

Were you concerned about VonStern and me?

If so, do not worry. We were kidding back and forth (we were also in PM contact with each other too). No ego trips, no great debate or hurt feeling going on here.

There was something that caught VonStern's eye on the Sir Martin Rees Video. I did not catch anything new there… maybe VonStern will elaborate for us, if he is still lurking?
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« Reply #531 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 08:17am »

on Nov 9th, 2007, 08:01am, Marvin wrote:
Hi Shech,

Were you concerned about VonStern and me?

If so, do not worry. We were kidding back and forth (we were also in PM contact with each other too). No ego trips, no great debate or hurt feeling going on here.

There was something that caught VonStern's eye on the Sir Martin Rees Video. I did not catch anything new there… maybe VonStern will elaborate for us, if he is still lurking?


No need to worry at all - we were just tickeling oneanother's toes..!! grin

I confirm that we PM'ed that too..

Actually, you came up with what caught my eye/ear, the possible decay of the Dark Matter. (Just did not want to give you the credit, as we made fun with all of it at the time. wink )

Everything's cool, has been from the start grin grin

Cheers,

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« Reply #532 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 09:23am »

I know this is side tracking a bit, but here is something to fill in your time until some more Drone news hits the thread.

What is Dark Matter:
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/dark_matter.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070820_mm_dark_forces.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/dark_matter_animated_030415-1.html


Proof of Dark Matter:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/aug/HQ_06297_CHANDRA_Dark_Matter.html

http://physics.about.com/b/2007/05/17/dark-matter-stands-alone.htm


The debate over Dark Matter:
http://physics.about.com/b/2007/08/19/new-questions-over-dark-matter.htm

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn8631

http://online.itp.ucsb.edu/online/lens06/carroll/


After all is said and done… we are still missing about 20% of the gravitational mass needed to explain the Universe, thus Dark Matter is not dead yet.
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« Reply #533 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 12:25pm »

on Nov 9th, 2007, 09:23am, Marvin wrote:
I know this is side tracking a bit, but here is something to fill in your time until some more Drone news hits the thread.

What is Dark Matter:
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/dark_matter.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070820_mm_dark_forces.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/dark_matter_animated_030415-1.html


Proof of Dark Matter:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/aug/HQ_06297_CHANDRA_Dark_Matter.html

http://physics.about.com/b/2007/05/17/dark-matter-stands-alone.htm


The debate over Dark Matter:
http://physics.about.com/b/2007/08/19/new-questions-over-dark-matter.htm

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn8631

http://online.itp.ucsb.edu/online/lens06/carroll/


After all is said and done… we are still missing about 20% of the gravitational mass needed to explain the Universe, thus Dark Matter is not dead yet.


Marvin....thanks for all the fun links grin From everything I have read, Dark Matter and Dark Energy must exist in some form or state not yet detectable directly....perhaps not ever directly detectable as they may exist through an interface with another dimension beyond our 3 + time notion of reality....maybe call it "Doesnt Matter".... grin sorry, could not resist, seriously though....could dark energy be the "vacuum" energy hypothesized by the "zero point energy" system advocates out there, starting with Nikola Tesla onward...just a thought....also consider the possible duality of Local and non-local particle properties which seem to exist....superluminal travel would then not be mere science fiction....would also be handy to have a nearly unlimited power source for traversing this and other universes/dimension/branes, without having to carry a supply on board, craft could be quite small, sound familiar?....Very fun to consider how all this seems to fit together as it could relate to the Drones...back on thread now....
NOTE: I am still waiting for my contact information for the witness in Tomball, TX who may have spotted a Drone. Will post the second anything breaks on this one smiley
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« Reply #534 on: Nov 9th, 2007, 4:34pm »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 5:32pm, elevenaugust wrote:
I made some research and I found the article of origin in the French review “lights in the night” (Lumières dans la nuit) n°355 pp3-4, where it is question of this cavepainting.
The article was written by Didier LEROUX who carried out a survey to try to go back to the origins of information.
We learn thus that the “discoverer” of cavepainting would be Doctor Zaïtsev, Ph-D of the Academy of Science of Russia and deceased in 1992.

This doctor is interviewed in a film of E. Von Daniken “the extraterrestrial among us” where he exposes his theory but at any time does not speak about engraving.
The reproductions of this cavepainting are in addition visible in the book of Von Daniken “Presence of extraterrestrial” of 1968.
It is indeed a reproduction of artist, because work is signed.
No mention nor seen in addition of the original, once again...

The Russian ufologist Boris Chourinov mentions in his book “UFOS in Russia” (1995) the existence of Doctor Zaitsev and even specifies that “it was forgotten very quickly that Rynine, Zaitsev and Agrest (theorists) remained at the stage of the assumptions”

I will try to contact Didier LEROUX, and the Russian ufologists to try to know more.

It is however curious than ever nobody could see, photograph or film the original of this rupestral engraving.

Finally, i found these links (in English, Spanish and Italian) which provide us much informations about the original sources..... Very interesting:
http://www.alcione.org/FERGANA/
http://www.ceticismoaberto.com/fortianismo/fergana.htm
And more strange about Mr Zaitsev, also a designer:
http://www.dexigner.com/fashion/announcements-g833.html

It seems plausible that it does not have there an original and that this drawing was made by Mr. Zaïtsev itself…
You will note the correlation made by the article of the link above and the crop-circle of Chibolton.
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elevenaugust, you have done a tremendous work here.

Can you provide evidence, that the picture I provided is a fake?

If not, we must assume that the original bears resemblance to the Drones. No matter what, it cought my eye.

Any resemblance to the Drone sightings HAS to be investigated!

Good job so far!

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« Reply #535 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 07:20am »

on Nov 9th, 2007, 4:34pm, VonStern wrote:
elevenaugust, you have done a tremendous work here.

Can you provide evidence, that the picture I provided is a fake?

If not, we must assume that the original bears resemblance to the Drones. No matter what, it cought my eye.

Any resemblance to the Drone sightings HAS to be investigated!

Good job so far!

--VonStern


No certainty, but of strong presumptions, since Mr. Zaitsev seems to have also talents of draughtsman!!
It seems difficult to go up further towards the source of origin, more especially as Mr. Zaitsev is deceased a few years ago…
However, it's true that there's a strong ressemblance with a drone...
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« Reply #536 on: Nov 10th, 2007, 10:21am »

on Nov 6th, 2007, 5:32pm, elevenaugust wrote:
I made some research and I found the article of origin in the French review “lights in the night” (Lumières dans la nuit) n°355 pp3-4, where it is question of this cavepainting.
The article was written by Didier LEROUX who carried out a survey to try to go back to the origins of information.
We learn thus that the “discoverer” of cavepainting would be Doctor Zaïtsev, Ph-D of the Academy of Science of Russia and deceased in 1992.

This doctor is interviewed in a film of E. Von Daniken “the extraterrestrial among us” where he exposes his theory but at any time does not speak about engraving.
The reproductions of this cavepainting are in addition visible in the book of Von Daniken “Presence of extraterrestrial” of 1968.
It is indeed a reproduction of artist, because work is signed.
No mention nor seen in addition of the original, once again...

The Russian ufologist Boris Chourinov mentions in his book “UFOS in Russia” (1995) the existence of Doctor Zaitsev and even specifies that “it was forgotten very quickly that Rynine, Zaitsev and Agrest (theorists) remained at the stage of the assumptions”

I will try to contact Didier LEROUX, and the Russian ufologists to try to know more.

It is however curious than ever nobody could see, photograph or film the original of this rupestral engraving.

Finally, i found these links (in English, Spanish and Italian) which provide us much informations about the original sources..... Very interesting:
http://www.alcione.org/FERGANA/
http://www.ceticismoaberto.com/fortianismo/fergana.htm
And more strange about Mr Zaitsev, also a designer:
http://www.dexigner.com/fashion/announcements-g833.html

It seems plausible that it does not have there an original and that this drawing was made by Mr. Zaïtsev itself…
You will note the correlation made by the article of the link above and the crop-circle of Chibolton.
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Yes, this is an known "hoax."

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This claimed by many to be a a cave painting found near Fergana in Uezbekistan, thought to be thousands of years old. Part of it is depicted in my copy of Erich Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods." (Souvenir Press 1973 Hardback)

Explanation: A french researcher -Lemaire emailed the author the following information. Basically it was a sketch done by a russian artist for a magazine "Spoutnik" in 1967 for an article concerning astronauts visiting mankind 12,000 yrs ago. Spoutnik was a magazine from the former USSR (in Reader's Digest format). It was published in several languages including russian, german, english, french and italian. Below is the original sketch, the artist's signature and the cover of the magazine.

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on Nov 10th, 2007, 10:21am, Marvin wrote:
Yes, this is an known "hoax."

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/hurley/ufoart.html

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This claimed by many to be a a cave painting found near Fergana in Uezbekistan, thought to be thousands of years old. Part of it is depicted in my copy of Erich Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods." (Souvenir Press 1973 Hardback)

Explanation: A french researcher -Lemaire emailed the author the following information. Basically it was a sketch done by a russian artist for a magazine "Spoutnik" in 1967 for an article concerning astronauts visiting mankind 12,000 yrs ago. Spoutnik was a magazine from the former USSR (in Reader's Digest format). It was published in several languages including russian, german, english, french and italian. Below is the original sketch, the artist's signature and the cover of the magazine.

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Good work of research too, Marvin!!
I think we have nothing new here and nothing related to the drone, in spite of the resemblance....
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You will notice the difference in appearance between the two reproductions of the “drone” on the drawings
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« Reply #538 on: Nov 13th, 2007, 1:15pm »

Hi all, here is link to possible drone connection with Syd Mead posted by Ark at OM:

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=1194978614&page=1

I think this could be very helpful to finding some answers! He either knows who made the LAP or is VERY interested in it!
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« Reply #539 on: Nov 13th, 2007, 2:46pm »

Hi Hi!!

Yeah I saw this image yesterday, and in first place I communicated UCB Admin Merlin regarding this finding...
But he did not talk to me since yesterday tonight though, but I know he will be soon posting that thread here
(because I could not create one sad )

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