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« Reply #570 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 09:47am »

on Nov 27th, 2007, 10:46pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
Sorry, my reality is concerned with Relationships -- not exclusively with Things.

These Scientists have NO Cosmic RELATIONSHIPS they can refer to.

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Observational science relies upon the five senses for information (sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste). Theoretical science relies upon logical (mathematical) structures to explain and extend the observations. Mainstream science needs both repeatable observations and a supporting mathematical model to build a valid theory. A great number of theoretical models can be constructed that are mathematically consistent but have little or no observational support. Likewise, observations without the supporting model lead nowhere and are useless.

Consequently, mainstream science rejects the existence of ET's, if that is what you mean by cosmic relationships. I would venture this is because the supporting evidence consists of sightings for which no model can be constructed. Each sighting is unique and cannot be repeated. So, you are correct, scientists have no cosmic relationships they can refer to. This view of the universe is entirely home grown. Scientists have no way of asking a cosmic entity (supposedly of superior intellect and experience) for help and assistance. Even if they could, everything they learned would need to be validated and incorporated into the current scientific dogma.


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« Reply #571 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 10:42am »


So, they place themselves in a box cut off from the multi-dimensional universe, and they expect the rest of us to take them seriously.

Har har. In a cat's eye. They're inter-dimensionally deaf, dumb and blind.

NEVER will I take so-called "Science" literally or seriously. "What is essential is invisible to the eye," is true. They leave out ALL the causes and merely argue on interminably about effects.

Silly stuff.


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« Reply #572 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 10:59am »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 09:47am, Nodnunk wrote:
Consequently, mainstream science rejects the existence of ET's...




Hi Nodnunk,

I agree with you except for this statement. I think mainstream science is a mixed bag that has come to peace with itself by accepting there is extraterrestrial life (that ET exist), but as a group they have not accepted the notion we are being visited by ET.

Carl Sagan was a big believer in ET (somewhere in the “cosmic soup”), which is why we have programs like SETI and the following plaque attached to the Pioneer 10 spacecraft (and designed by Carl Sagan).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque


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(Maybe we need to be reminded of this plaque and compare it to the LAP)

Keep in mind, this plaque was designed to communicate with ET (if the craft was ever found). Here is how to decode the plaque:
http://www.orbit.zkm.de/?q=node/256

Carl Sagan also became the biggest UFO debunker. Ironic, isn’t it? I am sure if he were alive today, drones would be at the top of his debunking list.
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« Reply #573 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 2:29pm »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 10:59am, Marvin wrote:
Carl Sagan also became the biggest UFO debunker. Ironic, isn’t it? I am sure if he were alive today, drones would be at the top of his debunking list.



There is an old saying, something to the effect that everybody has their price. I can't help but wonder how much did they pay Carl Sagan to tote the party line. Myself, being a nobody I could sell my credibility for probably (?), but for somebody like Carl Sagan I just wonder how much; he obviously took it!
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« Reply #574 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 3:07pm »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 2:29pm, Gort wrote:
There is an old saying, something to the effect that everybody has their price. I can't help but wonder how much did they pay Carl Sagan to tote the party line. Myself, being a nobody I could sell my credibility for probably (?), but for somebody like Carl Sagan I just wonder how much; he obviously took it!


Perhaps he wasn't bought for a price, but rather sold a bill of goods, if ya catch my drift.
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« Reply #575 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 3:59pm »

Or the fear of Gov was put into him.

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« Reply #576 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 4:26pm »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 2:29pm, Gort wrote:
There is an old saying, something to the effect that everybody has their price. I can't help but wonder how much did they pay Carl Sagan to tote the party line. Myself, being a nobody I could sell my credibility for probably (?), but for somebody like Carl Sagan I just wonder how much; he obviously took it!


Not to accuse Sagan of taking a bribe but it could have been that he simply knew who buttered his bread. Start mouthing off about ETs and government coverups and suddenly all that grant money dries up.
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« Reply #577 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 4:27pm »

As Carl Sagan might say, "It would take billions and billions and billions of UFO's flying around my backyard for me to believe in the mere idea of ET as a concept."
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« Reply #578 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 7:46pm »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 10:59am, Marvin wrote:
I agree with you except for this statement. I think mainstream science is a mixed bag that has come to peace with itself by accepting there is extraterrestrial life (that ET exist), but as a group they have not accepted the notion we are being visited by ET.



Hi Marvin,
I agree with what you say. What I meant was mainstream science rejects the existence of ET's visiting here, now. To believe that ET's exist somewhere out there, now, or in the past, or in the future, is one thing. But to believe that ET's exist somewhere out there and have found a way to circumvent the cosmic speed limit imposed by the speed of light so that they can zip around the galaxy at will and be visiting Earth now, is another. Given that ET's are visiting us here, now, demonstrates that our known "laws of physics" are incomplete. But, it's going to take more than a few nocturnal lights, crop circles, or abduction claims to convince mainstream science that they are missing something.


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« Reply #579 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 9:00pm »

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But to believe that ET's exist somewhere out there and have found a way to circumvent the cosmic speed limit imposed by the speed of light so that they can zip around the galaxy at will and be visiting Earth now, is another.


In order to believe this BLANKET DENIAL, one is forced to ignore and deny thousands if not millions of first-person reports, photos, videos, accounts, stories, books and conversations.

I argue, if science is that oblivious to the testimony of so many fellow humans, THEN they do not have any credibility with me on any topic and they are not worth considering, following nor believing on any subject, frame or judgment.

They're stupefied, compartmentalized and programmed.

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« Reply #580 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 9:09pm »

Let me continue.

This one world coverment is based on secrecy;

has methodically dumbed-down our population.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/index.htm

considers "population" to be a danger to this planet, especially the population that has a TINY CARBON FOOTPRINT. So they're annihilating third world peoples who live close to the earth.

These maniacal and stupefied humans consider KILLING and CULLING to be a problem-solving method;

These nut cases have already NUKED the planet Jupiter and now they want to NUKE Saturn, just to see what happens.

These weirdos and genocidalists poison the water supply, contaminate vaccines, propagate dangerous drugs; allow food to be adulterated and seeds to become sterile and dangerous to protein metabolism.

These M*****F*****s base our nation's economy on war; carry on torture and the violation of human and civil rights, with impunity.

These are the same political factions that do drugs to our youngsters, manipulate the stock markets to exhaust the equity out of our retirement accounts, and sell porn over the internet to sate their appetite for kiddy and snuff porn.

And you want to tell me, Science has some INTEGRITY?

You have got to be kidding.

You know, in Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper praises a woman astronomer Clair E. Max, who works up the hill from me at the Lick Observatory. So a sent her a couple of friendly emails. She and I are the same age, the same year graduated high school.

She immediately closed down her email account.

Isn't that interesting? She's avoiding talking to anybody -- a scientist of world renown who doesn't want to talk to a retired schoolteacher down the hill.

The whole topic of Avoidance, Neglect of Values and twisted perverted scientists has got my panties in a knot.

Such abysmal stupidity is beyond my imagination. The next thing you know, those stupid men and women who study Astronomy at Universities will be claiming that we live on the OUTSIDE SURFACE of this planet, and not on the INSIDE, as we know we do.

Right?

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« Reply #581 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 10:15pm »

HEY SHECH,
I WANTED TO BRING UP THE INFAMOUS CYCLIC PATTERN THAT OCCURS IN SCIENCE.
IF WE RECALL MANY OF THE TOP SCIENTISTS IN THE MANHATTEN PROJECT WHOM WERE RECRUITED VIA MONEY AND UNLIMITED FUNDS FOR RESEARCH AND NO DOUBT NATIONALISM/PATRIOTISM...HAD A CHANGE OF HEART ONCE THEIR PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT ONLINE.
FURTHERMORE, NAZI SCIENTISTS WHOM DELAYED AS SOME SPECULATE THE COMPLETION OF THEIR ATOMIC PAYLOAD REALIZED THE RAMIFACTIONS OF SUCH POWER AND OPENING PANDORAS BOX.
THOSE THAT TEND TO ISOLATE THEMSELVES FROM CONTACT FROM A FRIEND...HIGH SCHOOL/ BUD FROM DOWN THE HILL...MAY NOT WANT TO GRASP THE POSSIBLITY OF THEIR ISOLATION ,INSENSITIVITY AND/OR ACCOUTABILITY.
NO DOUBT IT CAN BE MOST FRUSTRATING BUT YOUR EXAMPLE AND THOUGHTS WILL INFLUENCE MANY AND IN TIME MAY REACH IN SOME ROUND ABOUT WAY THE PERSON YOU WERE UNABLE TO BROACH.
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« Reply #582 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 10:27pm »


These days, Scientism is a religion based on the half-truth that materiality is all there is.

I don't know how we get out from under its big boot.


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« Reply #583 on: Nov 28th, 2007, 10:43pm »

MY GOOD FRIEND SHECH,
HARD TO TELL...PROBABLY THE SMUG PERSONA OF THE TECHNOCRAT WILL BE FORCED TO OPEN THEIR EYES WHEN THOSE WELL ROUNDED ACADEMICS WHOM RECOGNISE IT IS AN ART, CRAFT AND SCIENCE REVEAL THAT IT IS MORE THAN JUST THE SCIENCE.
MAYBE ANOTHER "ISM" MAY MORPH AND TEMPER THAT TUNNELISTIC ELITE.
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« Reply #584 on: Nov 29th, 2007, 01:19am »


We can sure hope so.


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