Board Logo
« #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Jun 26th, 2017, 12:30pm


Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

*Totally FREE 24/7 Access *Your Nickname and Avatar *Private Messages

*Join today and be a part of one of the largest UFO sites on the Net.


« Previous Topic | Next Topic »
Pages: 1 ... 38 39 40 41 42  ...  102 Notify Send Topic Print
 sticky  Author  Topic: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Truth  (Read 13411 times)
Marvin
Gold Member
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 1119
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #585 on: Nov 30th, 2007, 08:36am »

on Nov 28th, 2007, 7:46pm, Nodnunk wrote:
Hi Marvin,
I agree with what you say. What I meant was mainstream science rejects the existence of ET's visiting here, now. To believe that ET's exist somewhere out there, now, or in the past, or in the future, is one thing. But to believe that ET's exist somewhere out there and have found a way to circumvent the cosmic speed limit imposed by the speed of light so that they can zip around the galaxy at will and be visiting Earth now, is another. Given that ET's are visiting us here, now, demonstrates that our known "laws of physics" are incomplete. But, it's going to take more than a few nocturnal lights, crop circles, or abduction claims to convince mainstream science that they are missing something.




Got it.



As one reads some of the replies... it seems we sometimes confuse “Main Stream Science” (that which is “politically correct” and falls into step with current “acceptable” main stream views) with Scientists.

There is “what is said publicly” and there is “what is said behind closed doors.” I am not trying to put a “secretive” spin to make scientists appear dark and sinister… the unfortunate truth is that “Science” has become a business. In order to maintain an income, a scientist has to keep a boss happy. Good science will examine and report the data without bias (to the best of the scientist’s ability). “Business” science is not free from the temptation to only give “good news” data that the boss wants to hear or see… after all, the scientist’s paycheck depends on a happy boss… and sometimes, one must keep one’s opinions to one’s self (or between a select few). When you mix politics and science, throw reality out the window, science looses out to the bias of the politicians and their goals. Politicians are good at quoting or even misquoting scientific data to only support their goals, regardless of reality. If what is happening today with the environment is not enough evidence for this, then let me remind everyone of WWII Germany as a prime example of the misdeeds that can and will happen when trusting politicians who claim they have science on their side… or that they have “scientific” consensus.

I am not so sure that we should be “down” on science or scientists. All science can do, is to observe, measure, explain and reproduce (even if only mathematically) the universe around us. Then the information is at the ethical mercy and integrity of those who use it.

While “Main Stream Science” may not accept we are being visited by ET, I’m not so sure that it is fair to say that all “Main Stream Scientists” have a closed mind and that they do not ponder the possibility that we are being visited. You have to remember, by nature scientists are very inquisitive folks.
« Last Edit: Nov 30th, 2007, 11:28am by Marvin » User IP Logged

Oh Goody! My Illudiom Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator!

User Image

"You naughty earth specimens!"
Shechaiyah
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #586 on: Dec 1st, 2007, 12:46pm »

Quote:
I am not so sure that we should be �down� on science or scientists. All science can do, is to observe, measure, explain and reproduce (even if only mathematically) the universe around us.


Science does not deal with the universe; it deals with six senses, period.

Subjectivity, inter-dimensional communication, meta-physics and non-temporal experience will never get analyzed by "Science."


Chai
User IP Logged

Marvin
Gold Member
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 1119
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #587 on: Dec 1st, 2007, 11:08pm »

on Dec 1st, 2007, 12:46pm, Shechaiyah wrote:
Science does not deal with the universe; it deals with six senses, period.

Subjectivity, inter-dimensional communication, meta-physics and non-temporal experience will never get analyzed by "Science."


Chai




Science and humans tend to deal with the universe around us with our five senses. This is because science deals with repeatability, (the ability to do it again) and reproducibility (the ability for someone else to verify… or do what you did in your experiment). The sixth sense, we are still learning about it.

I think it is unfair to say that these things are not investigated, studied or analyzed by science. The two following are public knowledge studies of the sixth sense done on NASA’s dime.

http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/5/esp.php

"Edgar Mitchell, an astronaut aboard Apollo 14, was the sixth man to walk on the surface of the moon. While on board the spacecraft, he conducted a series of private ESP experiments that had not been approved by NASA."

http://www.paradigm-sys.com/ctt_articles2.cfm?id=49

"Percipient A was an SRI policy analyst, Duane Elgin. In 1974, he participated in a NASA-sponsored study of feedback training on a four-choice electronic ESP tester and trainer, the Aquarius machine (Targ, Cole, & Puthoff, 1974)."

Chai, just because it is not in the public realm, or that it does not get much press, does not mean science is not analyzing it. You can fill volumes with what you do not see in the news paper. wink
User IP Logged

Oh Goody! My Illudiom Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator!

User Image

"You naughty earth specimens!"
Shechaiyah
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #588 on: Dec 2nd, 2007, 01:18am »

Quote:
Chai, just because it is not in the public realm, or that it does not get much press, does not mean science is not analyzing it. You can fill volumes with what you do not see in the news paper.


My 25-year-old son is brilliant, got two degrees in three years from University of Rochester.

He believes everything the MSM says, prints and whatever he was taught at the University.

So, what am I supposed to think? He repudiates inter-dimensional communication; laughs at the idea of ETs and UFOs; discounts 911 Truth and stonewalls the topic of catastrophism and the Aztec calender.

Yet he is an "educated" man.

Duh. What am I supposed to talk to him about? He's IGNORANT!! And I ADORE my son!

So, now what?

Chai
User IP Logged

Marvin
Gold Member
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 1119
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #589 on: Dec 2nd, 2007, 8:46pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2007, 01:18am, Shechaiyah wrote:
My 25-year-old son is brilliant, got two degrees in three years from University of Rochester.

He believes everything the MSM says, prints and whatever he was taught at the University.

So, what am I supposed to think? He repudiates inter-dimensional communication; laughs at the idea of ETs and UFOs; discounts 911 Truth and stonewalls the topic of catastrophism and the Aztec calender.

Yet he is an "educated" man.

Duh. What am I supposed to talk to him about? He's IGNORANT!! And I ADORE my son!

So, now what?

Chai



Love is the answer Chai.

We are all different, with our own unique experiences and points of view... that is both our strengths and our weakness, depending on how one uses it. But, you already knew the answer Chia... love.
User IP Logged

Oh Goody! My Illudiom Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator!

User Image

"You naughty earth specimens!"
VonStern
New Member
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 0
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #590 on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 05:20am »

---o0o---

December Issue:

http://vonstern.homepage.dk/Magazine.html

---o0o---
User IP Logged

Latitude
Gold Member
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 1024
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #591 on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 2:19pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2007, 01:18am, Shechaiyah wrote:
My 25-year-old son is brilliant, got two degrees in three years from University of Rochester.

He believes everything the MSM says, prints and whatever he was taught at the University.

So, what am I supposed to think? He repudiates inter-dimensional communication; laughs at the idea of ETs and UFOs; discounts 911 Truth and stonewalls the topic of catastrophism and the Aztec calender.

Yet he is an "educated" man.

Duh. What am I supposed to talk to him about? He's IGNORANT!! And I ADORE my son!

So, now what?

Chai


Maybe he needs to be old and senile like us before he can see the truth. wink Have patients. My opinion is this subject is not a good one for some at their stage in life. Let the children find their own way. But be sure to stay grounded lest they think we are kooks.
User IP Logged

My Drone Video
Merlin
New Member
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 0
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #592 on: Dec 3rd, 2007, 5:56pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2007, 8:46pm, Marvin wrote:
Love is the answer Chai.

We are all different, with our own unique experiences and points of view... that is both our strengths and our weakness, depending on how one uses it. But, you already knew the answer Chia... love.
I couldn't agree with that more Marvin.
User IP Logged

slobomotion
Full Member
ImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"Desire not the fruits of thy labors." -- The Baghavad Gita


PM


Posts: 92
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #593 on: Dec 8th, 2007, 2:09pm »

I feel foolish and have hesitated to post. On November 17, 2007, In Saint-Denis, France, I think I saw two to six drones. It was around 9 at night, local time, a clear night, and extremely cold. I am a fairly experienced stargazer and have experienced Northern Lights, and I've also experienced atmospheric distortions of ordinary things such as planets, but this was something else altogether. I was home alone and had been chatting on the phone to a friend in the States about The Montauk Project. Our phone connection began to fail after that, and I had to call my friend back several times to carry on the conversation. After I finished the call, I had a "creepy" feeling and went to look out my bedroom window in back. I saw two things which I think were drones, hovering down the block, to the North, not very high and not far from me. Sorry I cannot be more specific. The two things were bell shaped and only about the size of an ordinary kitchen table. I have seen similar craft on You Tube. I rang the bell of my neighbor and asked her to come over and be a witness. She kindly agreed. She saw them, too, and agreed it wasn't "normal." I thanked her, and she left. The craft seemed to be winking at me! Then, I saw four more, to the East of them, but far off, looking more like stars. The scary thing was their shimmery quality, and they went in and out of focus. I started to get really scared and tried to log onto UFO Casebook to ask for advice about what to do, but then I "lost time." Next thing I knew, I was standing back at my window, yelling at the drones (or whatever they were) to leave me alone! I feel SO foolish about this! The last thing I recall is phoning a friend in California, but I couldn't get through and got some sort of voicemail. I left my name and number. He emailed me next day saying someone who didn't have my voice at all (!) had left him a message, but the call originated from Saint Louis, Missouri, so he deleted it as he knows I am in France. I guess I then went to bed. My spouse was so annoyed with me the next day. I sure felt like an idiot, but the experience was really scary. A week or so later, a major police operation went on in my nabe, to bust a steadfast (tenacious) group of drug dealers. I may have seen drones used for police ops. I have spoken with as many people as possible here, and they say the drones are used here by the police, they are small and silent, and it's controversial (invasion of privacy issue, etc.). This is not an experience I'd care to have again. I kept looking at the sky there for the next week or so and was able to easily identify the constellations and planets. I saw Halle-Bopp years ago and it didn't freak me out the way this did. I do not have any equipment to photograph things. I only got the 'Net at home this year and am still learning to use it. Any questions? I will try to answer.
User IP Logged

LDN41
New Member
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 9
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #594 on: Dec 8th, 2007, 8:38pm »

Hi slobo and thanks for sharing your interesting story. I'm a bit confused- did the things you saw look similar to the photos we've seen? Sort of a dragonfly appearance? Also, did your neighbor stick around to watch them until they faded from sight- such a unusual sight, I think I would have (though perhaps she felt uneasy). Have you talked to the neighbor about it since? Why did you find their shimmery quality frightening? I'm not sure what you mean when you say they went in and out of focus- was it because you started to feel woozy/dizzy or did the objects themselves literally go from being in focus to being out of focus (like a camera searching for focus)? You say the craft seemed to be winking at you- were they appearing and then disappearing? If they disappeared did they just blink out or is that what you mean by out of focus- like they faded out and disappeared and then reappeared? What is your last memory before you think you "lost time"? What exactly were you doing- sitting down, walking, what? How do you know you lost time and do you have any idea how much you might have lost? Why did you try to phone a friend (were you scared) and what did you say? I'm confused about something- you say your friend deleted the message because it came from St. Louis and he knows you live in France- I'm not following. Your friend listened to the message right and knew it was from you even though it didn't sound like you? You said he emailed you the next day- so he thought the message was from you right? Or he thought someone from St. Louis was calling him about you? Or? Why did he delete the message?
Anyway, sorry for the tons of questions but I find your experience VERY interesting (and you did say we could ask questions wink ). I personally think we might start seeing a lot of drone reports. Apparently Whitley Strieber is now claiming he saw one. Even if the original photos were fake, I'm starting to think that we might somehow create the form UFOs take when they appear to us. Perhaps something like our collective unconscious is at work. I've heard about people who make crop circles- that they often witness balls of light and experience paranormal phenomena in the circles they create. We're talking about manmade circles, as if these manmade circles can also somehow generate forces we are not typically aware of (though I also believe there are plenty of circles that are not manmade.) Anyway, I'm not saying you did not see what you claim to see- I'm just speculating that perhaps we are somehow creating what is a very real phenomena. That UFOs will start appearing in the form of the drones. I think of the early Kenneth Arnold sightings. He did not see a saucer shape- it was more like a crescent moon shape. But after word got out that it was a saucer shape (a word coined by a reporter because the way the craft moved, "like saucers skipping across water") that's the shape that a ton of early reports initially took (and I think many of those early reports are legit). Or think about the shape of the craft during the airship sightings of over a hundred years ago? Similar to dirgibles. I'm starting to think that ghosts and ufos might emanate from the same source and that whatever evidence we get of these things is what they or their source wants to allow us to get- nothing more. Okay, I'm completely rambling- ! THANKS FOR THE POST slobo! cheesy
User IP Logged

LDN41
New Member
Image


member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 9
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #595 on: Dec 8th, 2007, 8:46pm »

I just noticed that apparently the word b alls is picked up by the board's naughty word filter. The phrase in my post should read "b alls of light" and not "XXXXX of light" grin
User IP Logged

Shechaiyah
Guest
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #596 on: Dec 8th, 2007, 9:53pm »


That's really childish.

Sorry to see it.


Shech--
User IP Logged

slobomotion
Full Member
ImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

"Desire not the fruits of thy labors." -- The Baghavad Gita


PM


Posts: 92
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #597 on: Dec 9th, 2007, 03:49am »

Wow, there are too many questions for me to answer about my sighting, and I don't know how to split the screen and read your questions and answer, but I'll try to remember some of the questions. I was standing up. They seemed to be winking at me because they'd sort of flash on and off, but NOT completely on and off, if that makes sense. I MAY have influenced their appearance and shape. I'd had a weird phone conversation about a touchy subject, and felt paranoid. No, they don't look like the Isaac drones. They look like some drones I saw on YouTube, from 1975 -- there are three of them hovering silently in a daytime sky, and then two of them "demonstrate invisilibity." The ones I saw were kind of bell shaped, and didn't seem very large. They shimmered I think BOTH because I was getting dizzy, and also for reasons I cannot comprehend. You know how when someone holds a video camera shakily? They were moving a little like that. Sort of . . . vibrating! The neighbor is from Africa and speaks French, and I don't really know her, so didn't feel comfortable in engaging in a long conversation with her, nor asking her to stick around in my apartment. After I saw her out, I rang the bell of my other neighbor, and she answered, but said she couldn't come over because she has three little kids to look after, and they weren't asleep yet. I didn't see the black African neighbor again, but the other neighbor, with the kids, who is Arab African, spoke to me next day and said the Black African neighbor had said they did look strange but must have been huge, weird bright stars. (!!) I called my friend in California because I felt as if I were losing consciousness and I was scared, and I couldn't get the UFO Casebook to open and work properly, so I thought he could guide me and calm me down. He has caller ID so when he got the message later and heard a voice saying it was me that was not my voice and that the call was originating from Missouri and not France, he got disgusted, thought it was a prank, then deleted it, but the next day, he decided to email me and mention it. My last memory was, I think, standing in the open window, screaming at the craft. (There were six of them by this point -- two big ones and four tiny ones, just little points of light, but which blurred somehow). I screamed at them in French to leave me alone. I had read that if they are extraterrestrials and not bad ones, if you insist they leave you alone, they will. I had no idea how to phone the police here, and my spouse was at work and can never be reached there (night job in huge airport facility, does not sit at desk with phone and computer and all, no portable phones allowed). I am not sure how much time I lost. The whole experience lasted about two and a half hours but I only seem to remember about 45 minutes of it. I seemed to drift in and out of consciousness. It felt as if everything were going in slow motion, as if I were stuck in a sea of maple syrup. It was hard to even focus my eyes after the initial sighting and the brief visit by the neighbor. (I am glad I at least got a witness, who seemed very uneasy by what we were looking at and when I asked her, "Ca vous parait normale?" she answered, "Non!")
« Last Edit: Dec 9th, 2007, 03:53am by slobomotion » User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #598 on: Dec 9th, 2007, 05:25am »

Whitley Strieber recently authorized the following email to be sent to his “Unknown Country” subscribers list (6th December 2007) and it was emailed on his behalf.

Quote:
This morning at 4:53 AM, Whitley Strieber saw a drone over Santa Monica, California. The Striebers are in California seeing friends, and Whitley has sent me the following email, with permission to publish it. He will write a journal entry about his experience that will be posted on Saturday, December 8.

And remember, there are a lot of people out there lying about the drones and trying to debunk them. But these people ignore ONE THING: Linda's interviews with credible eyewitnesses. Do not be deceived about this.

This was in his email:

“Well, in one sense the drones mystery is solved because at 4:53 this morning, I saw one.

I had an extremely restless night, full of complex and astounding dreams that I will record in a journal on my website. They also involved my book the Key and the crop circles, and have led me to a very clear understanding that there is a new level of consciousness available to us now. The dreams lasted from about 3:00 to the moment I woke up and saw the thing outside, which was at exactly 4:53. (I know the times because I sent one of my agents an email at 2:47 about a business matter, then went to bed and was shortly asleep. When I saw the drone, I was looking across the bedroom toward the window, with my wife's lighted clock just visible below the window.)

I woke up lying on my side, and saw the thing moving just below and in the bottom edge of the clouds. It was stormy. The object was enormous, and from where I was lying it must have been no more than a few hundred feet overhead. It appeared almost level with the line of the roof that is visible outside my window. It was moving toward our building at a stately pace, gliding easily, like a dirigible. I had the impression that it was quite large, but obviously, no way to tell for sure. Because of the clouds, I did not see the characteristic tall antennae on it, but I did see structure that looked a lot like what the bicyclists photographed. I immediately woke Anne up and went to the window. But we could not see it from the window.

I looked for a while, trying to see if I could spot some edge of it in the clouds. It had not been moving fast at all, so there was reason to believe it was still there. Not seeing it, I went to the dresser and got my cellphone, which has a camera in it, and put it beside the bed. I then lay down and turned over to the same position I had been in when I first saw it--and there the thing was again, clearly visible just below the cloud cover. Now it was much closer to the house. When I moved my head to get up again, I could no longer see it. When I returned to the original angle, I could see it again. This time, it was gliding west, toward the ocean, only its lower structure visible in the clouds. I opened the cellphone, in an attempt to take a picture of it from that angle, but by then it had passed beyond the edge of the window. I saw nothing more of it, but there is no question in my mind at all but that they are real.”


At the time of writing this (Sunday 9th December) his journal has still to be updated and still shows the last entry to be the 27th November. Whitley Strieber has always said he can’t prove (and as such didn’t know) that the Drones were real and that perhaps the lessons learned from the full experience are more important than the nuts and bolts physical reality of the craft.

Well that all seems to have changed with this latest revelation, the first line of Whitley’s recent email states:

“Well, in one sense the Drones mystery is solved because at 4:53 this morning, I saw one.”

And the last line of the email reaffirms this by stating that:

“There is no question in my mind at all but that they <the Drones> are real.”

There really is so little information to be gleamed from this brief correspondence that’s partly why I’ve held off posting anything about it, but since Whitley’s self-imposed deadline of the 8th December has come and gone with no sign of him updating his personal journal I thought it prudent to mention it.
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Luvey
UFO Casebook Staff

member is offline

Avatar




PM


Posts: 840
xx Re: #6 The Drone Enigma A Global Search For The Tr
« Reply #599 on: Dec 9th, 2007, 06:29am »

LDN41 wrote
Quote:
I just noticed that apparently the word b alls is picked up by the board's naughty word filter. The phrase in my post should read "b alls of light" and not "XXXXX of light"


Shechaiyah wrote
Quote:
That's really childish.
Sorry to see it.
Shech--


It’s a pity that we even have to use a word filter but unfortunately there are those that come to this site to abuse others, and also use words in the wrong context to do so. We are attempting to run a family site here. It is not childish for admin to use a word filter. Unfortunately we must use a word filter to prevent this abuse even though it occasionally interferes with viable postings.

Luvey
User IP Logged

~ "When you master your mind, you master your life." ~

~ In every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ~
Pages: 1 ... 38 39 40 41 42  ...  102 Notify Send Topic Print
« Previous Topic | Next Topic »

Become a member of the UFO Casebook Forum today and join our more than 18,000 members.

Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

Donate $6.99 for 50,000 Ad-Free Pageviews!

| |

This forum powered for FREE by Conforums ©
Sign up for your own Free Message Board today!
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Conforums Support | Parental Controls