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« Reply #720 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 2:26pm »

on Jan 13th, 2008, 2:22pm, murnut wrote:
Not only that, but she doesn't report on the drones anymore, does she?


In her defense on that, I recently emailed her asking when her last contact with Isaac was, she stated it was early fall, and added that the 'ball was entirely in his court', so...until/unless Isaac contacts her (or anyone else) again, what is to report?
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« Reply #721 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 2:41pm »

on Jan 13th, 2008, 2:26pm, motorcyclerick wrote:
In her defense on that, I recently emailed her asking when her last contact with Isaac was, she stated it was early fall, and added that the 'ball was entirely in his court', so...until/unless Isaac contacts her (or anyone else) again, what is to report?

Go back and have a look at the questions she asked Isaac back in the Fall and you will see why the lines of communication broke down so needlessly……

I haven't said much on this lately, mainly as I believe I've said it all before, and this runs a lot deeper than the recent events. Here's a couple of my posts from over three months ago and not a thing has changed since, including my views..... undecided

on Sep 7th, 2007, 1:11pm, DrDil wrote:
What I was trying to say without actually spelling it out was that I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that LMH hasn’t had any of the original images analysed.

For example lets say she has had them analysed and the conclusion was that the images are beyond reproach and actually show what they purport to show, i.e. a Drone. Obviously then the next course of action would be to organize a press conference and, “Go public” in every sense of the phrase!! Personally if I was at the helm I would make it my sole purpose to ensure that there wouldn’t be a country in the world where at least one of the major newspapers weren’t running this story.

I also believe this is achievable, especially with the current media climate surrounding the UFO phenomenon, as even over the last three years I have witnessed first hand the choke hold on the media regarding UFO’s gradually being slackened, indeed recently I’ve even seen some UFO reports on mainstream media AND THEY’VE NEVER ONCE REFERENCED THE X-FILES (or used the X-Files title theme as background music.) This is an astronomical leap forward if you look at UFO reports from only five years ago.

Of course, every now and then in the past, a journalist would pop up who had a little integrity and presented a factual report on a UFO sighting but these were few and far between, now (in my opinion) they are becoming more the rule than the exception that proves it. In summary I’m trying to say that if you had what you believed was authenticated and verifiable proof of life beyond earth then the worlds media would sit up and listen!!

BUT, that wasn’t so much what I was getting at as I believe that LMH would have had these images professionally analysed by now, what I was getting at is there could be an easily recognizable error in the original images which becomes impossible to detect once they are manipulated (cropped, resized, sharpened etc.) for posting to a website. And it’s because of an error such as this that LMH has turned her back on the community that she’s SUPPOSED TO SPEAK FOR. Or at least the community she represents in some small way, and to people who are observing from outside the community LMH is probably seen as the more presentable and respectable side of UFOlogy!! (Even if it’s an obviously tainted and diluted view.)

Because after seeing her sporadic reporting on Isaac and the Drones (now you see it, now you don’t!!) there must be some reason that we are not aware of that LMH consistently blows hot and cold over the whole issue. And if you accept that LMH would have had these images analyzed by now (which I do) what other reasons could there be for her not reporting in a more professional and investigative style?

I feel this has gone well beyond the realms of jealousy and getting, “One over” on her critical and cynical peers, I feel as I have said before that this failure to release the images for investigation plants her firmly in the unenviable position of lead conspirator.

Hopefully if she ever visits any UFO forums she may see one of the many posts that are similar to this one and may realise that the people who used to look to her for answers no longer even factor her into the equation.

I think I may credit her perceptiveness a little too much though and the chances are she’d just sneer at any such criticism and simply keep up the pretence of being a credible reporter, while ignoring any and all requests for knowledge THAT SHE WAS TRUSTED TO CONVEY!! As remember, we are not asking her to break anyone’s trust because she was passed this information FOR THE SOLE REASON OF PUBLISHING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY!!

She is acting unethically and betraying the trust from those who looked to her for answers as well as the trust of every single person who has emailed her regarding the Drones, yes that even includes the anonymous and, “Professional people” who see fit to waste their time contacting her. And the recent experts who frequented the forums have tried to answer intelligently questions that are asked of them, but all of them within a couple of days or so have stated that they need the originals.

Wouldn’t now would be the perfect time to share the wealth that LMH s currently hording?

Unless of course there’s something she doesn’t want us to see…………..

on Sep 6th, 2007, 8:19pm, DrDil wrote:
But don’t you wish you knew what it appears LMH knows?

I feel that it’s beyond the realms of possibility that LMH has received all of these, “Professional” emails claiming to further advance the credibility of the entire Isaac saga, and hasn’t once thought,

“Hmm I’m 100% sure I have the real deal here, in fact I could single-handedly force full disclosure!! I may as well have them authenticated so that they are beyond reproach by handing out a couple of the ACTUAL photographs to trusted friends and experts in the relevant fields.”

Even if this entailed supervising the images every step of the way, the ends surely justifies the means?

We all know LMH is a very shrewd operator; she had to have been to attain the loyal following, semi-celebrity status and media power that she wields today. Sure she’s had her ups and downs, her wins and losses, but that’s what happens when you conduct your investigations in, “Real time” and in the public eye. (This may also explain the hesitance to publish her findings so quickly this time around, whatever those findings may be.)

If anything this makes LMH more likely to verify any evidence personally, as she’s a tough cookie and should be very hard to fool (again), remember the (Southern I think) old adage immortalised by Bush’s less than perfect recital,

“Fool me twice, fool on me.”

Or perhaps she hasn’t been fooled at all. Perhaps we are the fools and the joke is on us!!

So do we not credit LMH with practising one of what surely must be a fundamental and the most basic of protocols, i.e. get everything independently verified!! (Then ideally get at least a second -and hopefully corroborating- opinion/hypothesis!!)

Can we really safely assume that LMH hasn’t had any of the Big Basin images checked out?


Who knows, this could be why they can’t be released to the baying crowd of forum members, CGI experts etc. because they are already doing the rounds with the relevant experts.

Personally I don’t think this is the case but I do think that LMH would have had an independent analysis done on at least ONE of the original images by now, even if just for her own piece of mind before she pushes forward with any more disclosures from Isaac.

So, if you’ll further indulge me in this thought process, then I feel it at least alludes to the possibility that LMH knows, “Something” she doesn’t as yet want to reveal. “Something” she may have known since she received the Big Basin images, but that, “Something” wouldn’t keep the subscribers happy so she humoured all involved and sent a particularly nasty email to Isaac knowing full well that he is no more a whistle blower than the Big Basin Drones are, “Huge” in size?

Or maybes she pre-warned Isaac then purposefully misled the PTB into thinking that her and Isaac aren't as close as they are, or that they aren't in contact?

Maybes I grossly underestimate LMH, maybes even as I type this she’s putting together irrefutable evidence and irrevocable proof that will conclusively determine the origins and credibility of the, “2007 Drone Flap,” one way or another.
But somehow I doubt it..............

Possibly part of the reason that she has still failed to release the images is that it will prove conclusively what her unannounced status is in the disclosure game, whether that be the, “Player” or the, “Played.”

"Don’t hate the player/s, hate the game?" grin


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« Reply #722 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 2:56pm »

Dr. Dil

These post still make great sense, and your pretty much right, nothing has changed.
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« Reply #723 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 3:03pm »

Go back and have a look at the questions she asked Isaac back in the Fall and you will see why the lines of communication broke down so needlessly……

I haven't said much on this lately, mainly as I believe I've said it all before, and this runs a lot deeper than the recent events. Here's a couple of my posts from over three months ago and not a thing has changed since, including my views..... undecided

Yes, Drdill, I agree with you, but I like to refrain from 'slinging mud' as it has no positive effect. HOWEVER, as long as you mentioned it, I was both stunned and offended by the choice of the critical letter that she had chosen to send to Isaac, I thought that the choices were made in very poor judgement, and wonder about the intent of sending them to him.
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« Reply #724 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 3:09pm »

on Jan 13th, 2008, 1:57pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Murnut, smiley

Possibly as she’s a believer regardless of evidence whereas MUFON require evidence regardless of believers.


Wrong. Mufon has already shown a pattern of deceit regarding this case. I keep saying it but you people seem to have short memories. They have attempted to kill this thing with lies and disinfo. I am not ready to forgive all of that. James has a lot of explaining to do.

You people do not know what is going on with LMH and that makes you very uncomfortable. I have not always agreed with her regarding the drones. But in my opinion, she is genuine and has never attempted to lead us astray. In other words, she's not perfect, nobody is, but she's speaking the truth as she knows it.
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« Reply #725 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 3:10pm »

on Jan 13th, 2008, 3:03pm, motorcyclerick wrote:
Yes, Drdill, I agree with you, but I like to refrain from 'slinging mud' as it has no positive effect. HOWEVER, as long as you mentioned it, I was both stunned and offended by the choice of the critical letter that she had chosen to send to Isaac, I thought that the choices were made in very poor judgement, and wonder about the intent of sending them to him.

Welcome to the misunderstood, contradictory, untenable and maligned world of a, “Dronie”..... undecided
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« Reply #726 on: Jan 13th, 2008, 3:14pm »

on Jan 13th, 2008, 3:09pm, Latitude wrote:
Wrong. Mufon has already shown a pattern of deceit regarding this case. I keep saying it but you people seem to have short memories. They have attempted to kill this thing with lies and disinfo. I am not ready to forgive all of that. James has a lot of explaining to do.

You people do not know what is going on with LMH and that makes you very uncomfortable. I have not always agreed with her regarding the drones. But in my opinion, she is genuine and has never attempted to lead us astray. In other words, she's not perfect, nobody is, but she's speaking the truth as she knows it.


Speaking of short memories.....

on Aug 18th, 2007, 10:21am, Latitude wrote:
You are absolutely correct. That's why her excuse is not the real motive for holding back. More hi res photos will only strenthen the case for real. It's the low res photos that are easier to poke holes into. When people see the detail involved in the hi res they will only have one reaction. What will the pro hoaxers do with the hi res shots that they haven't already done with the low res? Linda already saw what happened after she released the first hi res. The forum community did her analysis work for her and pointed out the LAP on the panels of the drone. I have told her this. I have already informed her that these forums are full of intelligent analysts ready to do free work for her but she's ignoring that fact. She needs to understand we are all part of the same team.

So her argument is bogus. So which theory is the most likely? The book. But people, the book does need to be written. If done properly, she has a best seller on her hands. Who knows what that might lead to, a movie deal?

on Oct 5th, 2007, 10:48am, Latitude wrote:
I hope LMH is writing a book if only so we can see what has been kept from us. I think a book from her would be missing many important points.

I think the reason LMH is so quiet when it comes to the forums is because she does not trust us or simply does not like us. That's sad. It seems to me that we are her most ardent followers.

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on Jan 13th, 2008, 1:44pm, drewlac wrote:
What is the benefit of withholding information? Isn't there more to be gained, learned, and discovered if everyone would just work together? This goes for MUFON, LMH, and OMRT. Aren't we all searching for the same thing, the truth?


Exactly! Couldn't agree more.
You've also answered your own question - they don't care about the truth. Seems like it's about something else now...

Forgot to add: I, for one, won't ever buy any kind of book about the drones, not even one written by Isaac himself. The moment such book or DVD or any other kind of publication appears will be the moment I fall from the fence on the hoax side.
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I would also like to add my confusion over Isaac's decision to contact C2Cam as his ONLY means of communication. Why THAT group? Why not (as IMO it would be more logical) contact a respected national or world renouned NEWS reporter, via attorney? I know, anonymity, yes, but let's suppose for a moment that his information is true and genuine and that there are 30-50 others who also know what he has revealed so far. Do any of you out there honestly think that the powers that be who stand to be damaged by this release of information would NOT go ahead and see to it that ALL of these people meet with 'untimely deaths due to accident'??
Think about it - the revenues from a slow release of technology over DECADES....more money than there may be a word for.
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You people do not know what is going on with LMH and that makes you very uncomfortable.


Her silence makes no sense to me.

And her whining about cgi questions, which are legitimate concerns regarding anonymous witnesses/photographers, reminds me of a child who takes their ball and goes home.

I was a believer in the drones, right up until she clammed up.

I would for once like to see some real facts in this case, which support belief in the drones.

I am tired of theories.

All the facts I see support hoax.

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on Jan 13th, 2008, 3:29pm, murnut wrote:
Her silence makes no sense to me.

And her whining about cgi questions, which are legitimate concerns regarding anonymous witnesses/photographers, reminds me of a child who takes their ball and goes home.

I was a believer in the drones, right up until she clammed up.

I would for once like to see some real facts in this case, which support belief in the drones.

I am tired of theories.

All the facts I see support hoax.



unfortunately, I have to agree with the summation.
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on Jan 13th, 2008, 3:14pm, DrDil wrote:
Speaking of short memories.....


That was then... this is now. Things change and so do my opinions.

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Her silence makes no sense to me.

And her whining about cgi questions, which are legitimate concerns regarding anonymous witnesses/photographers, reminds me of a child who takes their ball and goes home.

I was a believer in the drones, right up until she clammed up.

I would for once like to see some real facts in this case, which support belief in the drones.

I am tired of theories.

All the facts I see support hoax.


Look who's whining now! She not going to tell all so you are going to scream HOAX? The two are not related but gives you some measure of retaliation. rolleyes

Not very scientific of you. Seems kind of childish to me. Maybe if you considered that she may have had a very good reason to get quiet?
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on Jan 13th, 2008, 4:05pm, Latitude wrote:
That was then... this is now. Things change and so do my opinions.

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Look who's whining now! She not going to tell all so you are going to scream HOAX? The two are not related but gives you some measure of retaliation. rolleyes

Not very scientific of you. Seems kind of childish to me. Maybe if you considered that she may have had a very good reason to get quiet?


Another theory or do you know something?

This case needs facts.
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on Jan 13th, 2008, 4:16pm, murnut wrote:
Another theory or do you know something?

This case needs facts.


It's a possibility. Sorry, that's all I have on that. All I'm asking is that we give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Fair enough.

I am just perplexed by her silence.

These could be the best ufo photo's ever and yet this case has not progressed much in a very long time.

Theories are fine, when presented along with some facts.

The drones need more facts at some point.

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