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« Reply #855 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 7:22pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 6:37pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Lat, surely using that rationale and if you believe the Drone images to be authentic then wouldn’t they represent what, “an ET object is supposed to look when photographed”. And if you accept the earlier Drone images as authentic then wouldn’t they be perfect for comparisons?

(That’s the only reason I mentioned that the blur wasn’t anywhere near as pronounced in the earlier images.)

As for the lateral movement the witness said:


If in the 30 second period it was viewed it was moving in any direction this should have been perceptible, and then the witness says, “Floating”. If it is due to lateral movement do you think this could also account for other parts of the object being so sharply defined?


I'm not saying the photos are real. I'm merely playing devils advocate with you for sake of argument (you know how I like to argue wink).

But how about this angle, if the object can wink out then by that same token can display any unusual visual attribute it wants to.

Another point is those Fuji cameras are bad in lower light levels. They have a bad habit of bluring anything.
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« Reply #856 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 7:37pm »

Yes one should be wary of imposing too many preconceptions of what a ufo might look like, particularly when evidence suggests they are surrounded by very strong electromagnetic fields. Nonetheless the two new drone photographs show drones which don't look like any natural object, which have no apparent relationship to any other object in the photograph, and whose colour palettes are totally different from the rest of the photograph. On the other hand, they *do* look very much like basic cgi.

In the case of the canoeing photo, the artifact at the bottom is not compressed, it is a slice from the centre of the photograph. You get this from having different layers in photoshop, there are two versions of the photograph up and one has been pulled down out of the way.

Are the witnesses identified? No... imagine my surprise. No shortage of identified witnesses in the Texas sightings.

The quality of work is consistent with Year 8 or 9 students having some fun, nothing wrong with that & I used to do similar things myself.
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« Reply #857 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 7:51pm »

I think you nailed it turkoman grin
I could not reason out how that thin cut was made until you mentioned Photoshop layers. I have accidentally done that myself.
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« Reply #858 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 7:57pm »

Thanks Belizeman!

Its midday here at the end of summer, so I'll do just that (have a cold one). Give it another 5 years, and I'll be able to order one for you too, delivered right to your door.
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« Reply #859 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 9:07pm »

Depending on the type of camera, many strange things can happen to the photo. Object motion ,whether linear or rotational, can induce effects when coupled with shutter/CCD scanning motion. The photo below is my son riding trails in the backyard. The combination of shutter speed and strobe produced this weird photo. Of special note... look at the rim with the tire seemingly twisted around it. If I did a close-up of this, people would never figure out what the photo subject was.
...or maybe I have a wormhole out back. smiley

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« Reply #860 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 9:13pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 7:37pm, turkoman wrote:
In the case of the canoeing photo, the artifact at the bottom is not compressed, it is a slice from the centre of the photograph. You get this from having different layers in photoshop, there are two versions of the photograph up and one has been pulled down out of the way.


Debunked? Over and done?

Not quite. Do you really think a hoaxer would leave obvious evidence like that cloned strip at the bottom? Why not simply clip that part off? Well, another more likely reason it that it has absolutely nothing to do with PS layers at all. It's more likely a file corruption.
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« Reply #861 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 9:45pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 9:13pm, Latitude wrote:
Debunked? Over and done?

Not quite. Do you really think a hoaxer would leave obvious evidence like that cloned strip at the bottom? .


Sure, if the hoaxer is 12 years old.
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« Reply #862 on: Mar 7th, 2008, 10:03pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 9:07pm, Keith wrote:
Depending on the type of camera, many strange things can happen to the photo. Object motion ,whether linear or rotational, can induce effects when coupled with shutter/CCD scanning motion. The photo below is my son riding trails in the backyard. The combination of shutter speed and strobe produced this weird photo. Of special note... look at the rim with the tire seemingly twisted around it. If I did a close-up of this, people would never figure out what the photo subject was.
...or maybe I have a wormhole out back. smiley


CGI !!!

Just kidding wink Excellent point and illustration, Keith. An amazing pic for sure. It looks like your son is warping into another dimension.


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« Reply #863 on: Mar 8th, 2008, 01:16am »

Report from Linda on the drones.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1397&category=Environment
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« Reply #864 on: Mar 10th, 2008, 6:09pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 6:58pm, DrDil wrote:

Likewise Cogent!! smiley


I also think it’s definitely part of the original image, file corruption perhaps?


I always found, “Exifer” to be one of the better free programs. I just checked the site and it says:


I also tried it on the image and it showed the data no problem. It can be downloaded from their main page at:

http://www.exifer.friedemann.info/


I think if you accept the recent LMH interviews as fact the most significant comment is almost a throw-away one she makes at the end of the article:


It may indeed be as many forum members speculated that the structure is a cage, several members also said that it creeped them out.

But perhaps more importantly it instantly elevates the Drones and their capacities from, “Monitoring” to, “Interacting." Which if true certainly suggests (to me) that they would be under intelligent control rather than their equivalent of, "Autopilot."


Sorry for the delay in replying Dr. D, Thanks for the link, I downloaded his new one; GeoSetter, very nice Exif tool! Very easy and convenient to use.
I also agree that the reference to the "cage" opening and closing is interesting....but personally, I doubt it is actually a cage.....then again, they have to pick up the livestock somehow..... wink
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« Reply #865 on: Mar 11th, 2008, 4:43pm »

The whole cage idea could possibly link these things to animal abductions and mutilations if we go that route. WHo knows, maybe the drones are the ones harvesting organs and such from our cattle.
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« Reply #866 on: Mar 12th, 2008, 12:48pm »

on Mar 7th, 2008, 6:00pm, Cogent1 wrote:
As to Marvin's comments....the reflection may or may not be on the surface of the dark undulating surface of the water....the object is considerably downstream and just impossible to tell this for certain. Also, as to the viewing angle of the photograph (I was a professional photographer many years ago) it is not shot from the top surface of the water....it is about right for someone standing in a shallow stream or sitting in a canoe.
There is something odd at the bottom of the image. Where Marvin mentions the "cropping" possibility, if you look at the bottom 1/4" it is a compression of part of the middle section of the image...you can easily match the rocks on the left and bubbles in the waters surface to the mid right. Perhaps this means somethinghuh I'm not sure what. Enlighten me, if anyone knows.


A very helpful clue Cogent1!

I cut a section of the odd area at the bottom... and it matches (perfectly) a section above it (it looks like an area of rough water as the river narrows - on the left side of the photo). To me, that’s a real sign of someone doing cut and pasting... photo manipulation. That's another red flag for me.

The camera has to be setting inches above the water (as you look at the bottom of the photo) to see the details of foam like this. That is a strange location for a camera, if you are sitting in a canoe… or standing on the shore. One rarely gets a chance to get “artsy” in a “quick reaction” situation, to capture a rare moment that most only get to dream about.

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I have cut a section of the "out of place" part of the photo… and laid it just above where it belongs (the large arrow on the right… and two circled areas). The arrow on the left points to the same correct location where this copied clip came from.

(Just to make this more clear... the bottom white area is where I cut out the image at the bottom [pointed to by the arrows on the right and circled] and then moved up above [also pointed to by the arrows on the right and circled])

Info on the camera:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/fuji/finepix_3800-review/
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« Reply #867 on: Mar 12th, 2008, 3:27pm »

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Here is a close up... I have clipped the bottom section and moved it just under where it should be. You can see that it is identical... that is cut from the same photo.

(The white area at the bottom, is the area where I cut the image, then copied and pasted it up to where you can compare it to the features, where it appears to have been copied from.)
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« Reply #868 on: Mar 12th, 2008, 3:45pm »

@ Marvin Nice work! If you invert your double arrow, I think the bottom right piece fits there, maybe one long clip?

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« Reply #869 on: Mar 12th, 2008, 6:29pm »

on Mar 12th, 2008, 3:45pm, newtothis wrote:
@ Marvin Nice work! If you invert your double arrow, I think the bottom right piece fits there, maybe one long clip?

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You are correct Newt. There is one long clip... but I left about half of it behind on the first example, so that you can see the origin of what I cut (and then pasted).

Anyone can take the large image, cut the thin image on the bottom and paste it where it matches....

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Oh yea... How is it possible for this to be a simple artifact leftover from Photo Shop? If Photo Shop messed my photos up like this, I think I would be looking for new software (they are still in business). wink
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