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« Reply #90 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 2:18pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 12:54pm, Marvin wrote:
I have not heard that Leviathan has claimed responsibility for the hoax photo.

That was probably my fault, I adopted Lev’s, “Style” of post to announce it!! undecided

on Oct 6th, 2007, 9:58pm, Truether wrote:
While looking at this site as a guest a couple of hours ago Isaw this site mentioned: www.livyatan. Then in a matter of minutes it was gone! What is this place?


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Leviathan has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature

Interocitor is a fictitious multi-functional device featured in the 1955 science fiction film This Island Earth.

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« Reply #91 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 2:38pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 02:48am, Latitude wrote:
Hi Cogent1,

How about you simply post links to the media you want to show us? Up over the smileys, click on the picture of the world with a paper in front of it (Insert Hyperlink) and paste in the link.


Thanks for the info Latitude. I will do that, but I actually wanted to know how to post the images directly in the thread so they were visible in the post. I will link for now, until someone can tell me how. I'll be very interested to see how many others have seen these supposed Drone images and where they saw them. After I have the link up, I will post some more later on my analysis. Thanks again for the help Lat smiley

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« Reply #92 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 2:38pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 2:38pm, Cogent1 wrote:
Thanks for the info Latitude. I will do that, but I actually wanted to know how to post the images directly in the thread so they were visible in the post. I will link for now, until someone can tell me how. I'll be very interested to see how many others have seen these supposed Drone images and where they saw them. After I have the link up, I will post some more later on my analysis. Thanks again for the help Lat smiley

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« Reply #93 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 2:41pm »

Place "img" in front of it and "/img" at the end of it. But substitute " for [

Or highlight the web address of the picture and click on the little image icon at the top of the message box. (User Image)
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Or visit this link for further information….

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« Reply #95 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 3:00pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 2:38pm, Cogent1 wrote:
I'll be very interested to see how many others have seen these supposed Drone images and where they saw them. After I have the link up, I will post some more later on my analysis. Thanks again for the help Lat smiley

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd303/perrphotobucket/drone_viewed_germany_1.jpg


The top image is a bad fake. You can clearly see where a square image was pasted in. The bottom image I can't immediately tell because the res is so bad but if the first is fake we can logically assume the second is fake too. Sorry but don't let that stop you. Post more if you have them.
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The more I look at the bottom, it too looks pasted in. I can see a vague square around it.
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« Reply #96 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 3:02pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 2:45pm, DrDil wrote:
Or visit this link for further information….

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Thanks for the options DrDil! I had just put them on photobucket a few minutes ago, I never used it before.
My short analysis to follow. I will also post an analysis done by a high-level photo analyst that I am not allowed to name, they had some interesting comments after only a quick look at two different Drone images. I am not a cgi expert by any means, but rather a conceptual philospher with other varied skills....seeking the truth about this and other related matters encompassed within my ever-evolving "Theory of Everything".
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« Reply #97 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 3:21pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 3:00pm, Latitude wrote:
The top image is a bad fake. You can clearly see where a square image was pasted in. The bottom image I can't immediately tell because the res is so bad but if the first is fake we can logically assume the second is fake too. Sorry but don't let that stop you. Post more if you have them.
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The more I look at the bottom, it too looks pasted in. I can see a vague square around it.


Geez....Lat, thanks for stealing my thunder (more like a small burp in this case).....Here is my analysis as promised: The top image is obvously a fake, in fact if you look at the image properties it tells you it is an embedded image. I looked at both images in Corel 12 PhotoPaint under various filters and as Lat stated , you can clearly see the inset lines on either side of the Drone image inset into the rest of the scene. You get similar irregularities when veiwed under many other filters as well. As to the second image, it was mostly inconclusive due to the poor resolution and density of tree branches in the vacinity of the image boudaries. Hard to tell, but as they appear to come from the same source, I would feel pretty certain they are both fakes, agreed. I just had not seen these posted anywhere else. These are the only 2 images from the location that I have seen. I'll be back with the other analysis on two well known Drone photos as promised in a bit. Ciao for now.
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« Reply #98 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 3:51pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 1:24pm, Latitude wrote:
[quote author=Marvin link=board=drone&num=1191662183&start=88#5 date=1191866094]

Absolutely Marvin. I have always considered you as a friend. Please don't misconstrue my rough way of posting to be a slight at you because it is not meant to be that way. I try my best to relate what I'm am feeling but something always gets lost in that translation. So please remember this, whatever I post in response to you is not meant as an offense. I may from time to time disagree with what you say and you will likely do the same to me. I believe we can disagree and still be friends. (It would be boring if we always agreed wink ).

It was Fore from OMF who found out the drone photo was hoaxed by Lev over a month ago. I for the most part remained quiet about it. Just recently Lev has put up a blog admitting to the hoaxing. So the cat is out of the bag now and that is why I bring it up. With Fore we had a good suspicion. Now Lev admits it so it can now be posted.

Good for you and RoH for making the correct decision. What evidence did you use to make that determination? I did not make that claim because I felt there was not enough to go on at the time. So I had that pic in my grey basket so to speak. I never took a side about it real or fake.

My point is the Chad, Raj, Steven and Ty pics are different. They are much easier to make a determination on. Do you agree?

As for CGI people, I normally do not like their attitude. They are closed minded and arrogant for the most part. They are often so far into their craft that they think it's the be all and end all to anything unusual. Salad started out that way. He has since softened his stance because after all his creations he has realized they do not duplicate the realism of the original photos. Every now and then you will get a cgi guy who is willing to think outside the box (CGI software box?). LMH has a report from just such an individual on her website.



I did not take offence. wink

I was not aware that Fore exposed this (this is why we need each other on this forum, to stay informed). So Leviathan could not stay quiet? Oh well. Nothing surprises me anymore. You just got to wonder why these folks think it is a good idea to do this stuff. I guess that is why we have the story about the boy who cried wolf (but there is a moral to the story, which they may be over looking… they have no credibility or leadership now).

I have been shown some issues with the other drone photos. I will give you a hint, it has to do with the "feelers." In CGI, there is an inherent signature with thin curved lines on bright backgrounds... but I am having difficulty determining if it is due to being CGI or it is due to the resolution. A wise man once told me "A camera can not “show” what it does not see."

So here is a key as you pointed out earlier, and that I have pointed out earlier. Take a very high resolution photo and down size it, you can hide many evils that way, including if it is CGI added to a real photo.

With all of the “noise” in these photos, it is impossible for me to be 100% certain. We need the original photos or we are just chasing phantoms in circles.

While it may sound like I am defending Saladfingers, I am not here to speak for him or defend his position. As I recall, a gantlet was tossed at him from many directions, and as he stated, he only came to defend himself. I had a number of PM with Kris explaining my point of view... that this fighting was a waste of time and leads no where, except to more fighting. I think Kris realized the truth of it and that not everyone on the forum was out to get him (some forums can be a lonely place, no?). I think he did become less defensive before he left. If Kris has some positive things to contribute to the thread, I look forward to seeing them. I look forward to seeing all sides of the debates. How else shall we learn?
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« Reply #99 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 4:28pm »

Marvin,

When you analyze the photos be sure to take into account that the Chad photos and the Ty photos are scans, and the Ty photos were scanned from small 4x6 prints. The Raj (hi rez) and Steven photos are direct from digicam.
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« Reply #100 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 4:42pm »

Here are the images the quick "expert" analysis refers to:


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This is what the expert had to say on a quick look:

"As you might imagine, I receive many requests to analyze images and typically charge a fee for my time. I have taken a quick look at the images you sent. The second image, in particular, is most likely a fake -- note that the sky is completely saturated suggesting a long exposure and/or large aperture. The object shown, however, is not at all saturated and the light/dark regions are perfectly resolved. It is hard to see how this could have realistically happened.
In addition, a look at the image metadata and JPEG quantization tables shows that these images have not come directly from a camera, but have been passed through some sort of photo-editing software."


This being said, I just realized something. I don't think these are the original "Hi-Res" images that LMH has in her possession. I think I now recall that the above images were enhanced highly to gain greater contrast and clarity. As I look at them again, this seems to be the case. Am I right about this? This would have obviously caused a different outcome (incorrect conclusion) on the analysis ( perhaps still fake, but maybe for different reasons....or perhaps...)
Does anyone have copies of the non-manipulated High res version of the above images? If I can get a copy, I will send it for another "quick look" if my expert has the time. Thanks for the help.
One of the things that I don't understand is where some of the forum members are getting the hi-res images I have seen posted? Most of the ones I have downloaded are such low resolution as to be fairly worthless as far as photo analysis goes. My hat's off to those with the expertise and sources to be able to reach empirical conclusions based on most of the low-grade photographic evidence I have seen web-wide.
And the quest continues.... grin BTW, some very cool stuff from RoH.....stay way outside the box cool
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« Reply #101 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 6:41pm »

on Oct 8th, 2007, 4:42pm, Cogent1 wrote:
This being said, I just realized something. I don't think these are the original "Hi-Res" images that LMH has in her possession. I think I now recall that the above images were enhanced highly to gain greater contrast and clarity.

Does anyone have copies of the non-manipulated High res version of the above images? If I can get a copy, I will send it for another "quick look" if my expert has the time. Thanks for the help.
One of the things that I don't understand is where some of the forum members are getting the hi-res images I have seen posted?

It’s a long story but there’s only been one true hi-res image released, it’s one of the 12 TY/BB images and can be downloaded here:

http://www.divshare.com/image/1315375-9ce

But even this is merely a scan of the original…………….
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on Oct 8th, 2007, 4:42pm, Cogent1 wrote:
This is what the expert had to say on a quick look:

"As you might imagine, I receive many requests to analyze images and typically charge a fee for my time. I have taken a quick look at the images you sent. The second image, in particular, is most likely a fake -- note that the sky is completely saturated suggesting a long exposure and/or large aperture. The object shown, however, is not at all saturated and the light/dark regions are perfectly resolved. It is hard to see how this could have realistically happened.
In addition, a look at the image metadata and JPEG quantization tables shows that these images have not come directly from a camera, but have been passed through some sort of photo-editing software."



Cogent1,

I am disappointed in your expert. Does he believe in the possibility of ETs? I think not, hence his knee jerk label of fake. Some of us have been here since the beginning and have already heard these same arguments. But I'm going to stick it out with you because you seem like a sincere fellow.

The photo editing software does not indicate a fake. It may indicate the photos has been re-sized or the brightness adjusted or any number of things. Some people use photoshop simply to get their pictures out of their camera and into their computer.

Do a search in the forum for "white sky". Remember that the Ty photos are 4x6 prints that were scanned and enhanced by LMH. Ty most likely used a cheap instamatic camera. You also have to take into account the weather that day. Here is the Steven sighting which happened the same day, taken from a different vantage point (he could have been photographing the object simultaneously as Ty was). Check out the sky.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

Be sure to click on the images to get the full size.

I'll look around to see who's hosting the higher res pics and post back.

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« Reply #103 on: Oct 8th, 2007, 7:19pm »

One more thing Latitude and anyone else who is interested in the truth about this topic seen this?
http://cropcirclexplorer.com/yabb/YaBB .pl?num=1191744843
I suggest the naysayers so confident in their understanding of science or technology rip into him OR
keep on's mouth shut!
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Link not working elephant.

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