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« Reply #960 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 6:23pm »

on Mar 29th, 2008, 1:20pm, Marvin wrote:
Latitude, this backs up my point. OMF has proven that Stephen's location was not in Big Basin (as reported with the photo):


You are just nit picking. Stephen said he was "around" Big Basin.
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okay, where to begin -- yesterday I was up around big basin for my assignment

It turns out he was on "Big Basin Road". Sounds close enough to me. But you go ahead and keep trying to nit pick this thing to death.

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« Reply #961 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 6:46pm »

Proof does not come from excuses
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« Reply #962 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 7:49pm »

The devil is in the details…

Without the witness to interview or to have questions asked (and in this case, if it was not for the luck of a researcher), we would not know they were 10 miles off from the Big Basin location (that is quite an error if one is trying to investigate and find the site).

Murnut is correct… we are searching for proof, and I stand by my statements, we need the witnesses to interview. The photos should stand as evidence to support their testimony… and not to have an antidotal statement stand as evidence to support a photo itself as proof.

If I recall, there is a fake photo still on this website:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/anonymousstrangecraft.html

This was put out by Leviathan (and Leviathan finally confessed to faking this CGI photo, after some time went by)… this is the main concern I have with any photos that are not being backed by a warm body (a witness). In my experience… they have all been fraudulent. As far as I know, Leviathan could be the artist behind Big Basin… or there is the possibility these photos could be real, but we will never know without the witnesses coming forward.

You will have to excuse me, I am off chasing moon beams now. wink
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« Reply #963 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 8:37pm »

Yes, indeed you are correct. Leviathan could be behind many things, but then again so could many others. The myth is firmly established and the Drones just don't seem to want to die. A witness who comes forward, would that be like the gentleman in Texas. What no one seems to grasp is that this phenomena is not dependent on people's beliefs. It seems to be able to reinvent itself over and over. I don't think this phenomena is limited to what appears to human senses, but uses those senses for its on purposes. From angels to drones, something is out there and it seems to be intending to stay.
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« Reply #964 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 9:19pm »

on Mar 29th, 2008, 8:37pm, Truether wrote:
Yes, indeed you are correct. Leviathan could be behind many things, but then again so could many others. The myth is firmly established and the Drones just don't seem to want to die. A witness who comes forward, would that be like the gentleman in Texas. What no one seems to grasp is that this phenomena is not dependent on people's beliefs. It seems to be able to reinvent itself over and over. I don't think this phenomena is limited to what appears to human senses, but uses those senses for its on purposes. From angels to drones, something is out there and it seems to be intending to stay.
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Myth's need excuses IC, however it is not necessarily a bad thing. The myth of Serpo, Drones, non secret UN meeting....why are these myth's being perpetuated?

Maybe we need them, and they need us.

The more one examines that facts or the lack there of, it becomes clear that there is so much more going on that meets the eye.

The question remains...Why?

Why is there no proof?

Why does the phenomena seem to reach out to us, and yet there is nothing there.

Why do ego's foul our thoughts.

Why do we fail to consider the implications?

Why do we want disclosure?

Why do we seek disclosure from a Govt we don't trust with anything else.

Why don't we trust ourselves, enough to confront the difficult questions.

Why is religion more similar to UFO's than I ever thought?

Why does a poster who makes little sense, on face value, to so many others...make sense to me?
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« Reply #965 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 9:57pm »

Because you are intended to know and this in itself does not seem fair as if fairness was a promise instead of a human desire. If you look around each day you will see the apparent insanity of this world. The impossible gap from rich to poor, those who know loose while those who know nothing win, good dies and evil lives, wars consume the innocent over the guilty. The list is without end. Something far bigger than us is in control and on occasion we get a small glimpse of it. We are like fish catching just a slight view of the fisherman and his gear. Saying to ourselves, oh it is nothing knowing full well it is something beyond our beliefs. People use different methods to cope with the reality that we are not the top of the food chain. Disbelief, skepticism, being in the know, but to little avail because what ever it is watches and plans and we know not its thoughts.
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« Reply #966 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 10:36pm »

on Mar 29th, 2008, 9:57pm, Truether wrote:
Because you are intended to know and this in itself does not seem fair as if fairness was a promise instead of a human desire. If you look around each day you will see the apparent insanity of this world. The impossible gap from rich to poor, those who know loose while those who know nothing win, good dies and evil lives, wars consume the innocent over the guilty. The list is without end. Something far bigger than us is in control and on occasion we get a small glimpse of it. We are like fish catching just a slight view of the fisherman and his gear. Saying to ourselves, oh it is nothing knowing full well it is something beyond our beliefs. People use different methods to cope with the reality that we are not the top of the food chain. Disbelief, skepticism, being in the know, but to little avail because what ever it is watches and plans and we know not its thoughts.
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Someone else said something recently remarkable similar, and I believe this is true.

The purpose here is not the nuts and bolts of is this real?, but what if it is?

Not simply the drones...but the implications in general.

Are we chasing the proof, so vigorously...that we ignore what we think the truth is, as it relates to our own self?

I keep thinking.... there is no proof, but the proof we allow ourselves to believe.

I believe there is a phenomena occurring that is real.

Most of us here can agree on that.

But the quest for the nuts and bolts have prevented us from confirming what we all know is occurring.

Since we do not confirm it, to ourselves, we avoid discussing the implications.

Until these implications are discussed regularly...we are not ready for disclosure of whatever it is.


As long as we avoid the implications, disclosure will wait.

It waits for us.

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« Reply #967 on: Mar 30th, 2008, 05:37am »

Hi guys found the program that I think started the drones,
UFO the secret evidence by Nick Cook, the guy who made the new concept in flying machine was Tim Ventura
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« Reply #968 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 11:59am »

I'm not sure if there is any significance in this, but I came across this by accident on the "Military Industry Today" website, when I was searching for the statement by the US Navy about full UFO disclosure.

Mystery of the Dragon Fly UFO Drones May Be Solved 31 Mar 2008 15:13 GMT
... a hot topic of discussion on major UFO research blogs and websites, new photos appeared ... shift through any number of reports on various UFO websites, you’ll discover that sightings go ... was originally hired to work on a Navy project that involved developing a system of ..


http://military.einnews.com/search.php?keywords=us+navy+ufo&makesearch=yes

Unfortunately, you have to be a subscriber to read the whole article ...
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« Reply #969 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 12:32pm »

on Apr 1st, 2008, 11:59am, Smersh wrote:
I'm not sure if there is any significance in this, but I came across this by accident on the "Military Industry Today" website, when I was searching for the statement by the US Navy about full UFO disclosure.

Mystery of the Dragon Fly UFO Drones May Be Solved 31 Mar 2008 15:13 GMT
... a hot topic of discussion on major UFO research blogs and websites, new photos appeared ... shift through any number of reports on various UFO websites, you’ll discover that sightings go ... was originally hired to work on a Navy project that involved developing a system of ..


http://military.einnews.com/search.php?keywords=us+navy+ufo&makesearch=yes

Unfortunately, you have to be a subscriber to read the whole article ...


It looks to be from this article from Bill Knell. I'm taking it with a grain of salt. How many reports of people finding the secret to anti-gravity come and go never to be heard from again.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_bill_kne_080330_mystery_of_the_drago.htm
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on Apr 1st, 2008, 12:32pm, Latitude wrote:
It looks to be from this article from Bill Knell. I'm taking it with a grain of salt. How many reports of people finding the secret to anti-gravity come and go never to be heard from again.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_bill_kne_080330_mystery_of_the_drago.htm

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Recently posted under the sub-heading of,

“Viral Marketing.”

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A set of photographs depicting a beautiful, steampunk-looking UFO hovering over a small Northern California town are most likely from an X-Files viral marketing campaign.

These images have zoomed across the web at lightspeed.

Some of the first shots that made it onto the net last year showed this ship, pictured, which looks like something out of The Golden Compass. Just recently an anonymous person claiming to be with a "secret project" related to extraterrestrials released schematics of the ship online.

Sounds like an X-Files stealth campaign or ARG (alternate reality game). Still, the schematics (below) look really freaking cool.

Nearly every single supposition, conclusion and the facts he base them on are wrong.

Io9 is quite a popular site as well….. undecided
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« Reply #971 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 3:22pm »

The one thing that is becoming obvious... it isn't viral marketing.

The only people that have taken advantage of this is Alienware, but even they admit they did not create the drone stuff.

The only way viral marketing would make sense, is if someone is making money off of a specific product which the viral marketing is designed around. What is it? Where is it? And after this length of time... anyone who would have been interested, would now be too frustrated, too angry to purchase what ever it is. I have my doubts that it is viral... if it is, the boat has already left port.
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« Reply #972 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 4:22pm »

Just an FYI (for those who have not looked)...

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Here is the general area around Big Basin.

Starting at the top, the red circle and green arrow is the approximate area of Stephen's actual sighting.

At the middle left, is Big Basin (Redwoods State Park).

At the bottom... is Capitola (straight north at the top is San Jose... do you know the way).

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Here, we get a little closer... the bottom left is Big Basin (red circle and green arrow) and upper right is Stephen's sighting area (also red circle and green arrow).

Notice the parks and locations in between. One has to drive through Saratoga Gap (which is the closest) and Castle Rock to get to Big Basin. Some of those details I have been picking at.

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This is the general area of Stephen's sighting. The road (Hwy 9) changes names east of 35... it is also called Congress Springs Road (another detail).

Some one local would be aware of all of these things. It would seem more likely they would have said it was near Redwood Gulch Road than to say it is near Big Basin (State Park), or Saratoga Gap or even Hwy 35. But this is only speculation on my part. What is true, there was no attempt to clarify the location of Stephen's sighting (in the antidotal story) so that it could be easily found.

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« Reply #973 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 6:11pm »

on Mar 30th, 2008, 05:37am, hyundisonata wrote:
Hi guys found the program that I think started the drones,
UFO the secret evidence by Nick Cook, the guy who made the new concept in flying machine was Tim Ventura


Yes I saw that documentary. I posted about it in another thread, in fact. The whole programme (1hr 41 mins) can be viewed here.

on Apr 1st, 2008, 12:32pm, Latitude wrote:
It looks to be from this article from Bill Knell. I'm taking it with a grain of salt. How many reports of people finding the secret to anti-gravity come and go never to be heard from again.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_bill_kne_080330_mystery_of_the_drago.htm


If it is from that, it seems a little strange to me that a website viewed by, amongst others, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should be getting its information on this from a non-mainstream source.

I wonder if they read UFO Casebook forum as well ... cheesy
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« Reply #974 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 6:40pm »

on Apr 1st, 2008, 6:11pm, Smersh wrote:
Yes I saw that documentary. I posted about it in another thread, in fact. The whole programme (1hr 41 mins) can be viewed here.



If it is from that, it seems a little strange to me that a website viewed by, amongst others, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should be getting its information on this from a non-mainstream source.

I wonder if they read UFO Casebook forum as well ... cheesy



I believe it is an automated news feed
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